Speeking of the Chinese.... yew no I just did some research on building cabinets and see that most all std cabinets are at least partly made of particleboard.

Well, scents I know that some formaldehyde and so on leaks out of particleboard, I snooped around to see how to use it and turns out you can seal it up perty good with shellac, etc., and the gases will be shet up inside.

Whilest doing high level research on this, (here's where you boys come in) I found out that them rotten Chinese are dumping high-formaldehyde-content particleboard onto us fine US folks. Imagine that!? And after all the Chinese food we eat, too!!

According to a top secret mole I got at the guvmint sweat shop, this is on account of they was palming it off on the Germuns and the Japunees when those countries wised up and passed laws against it.

-So, back to my story, they are dumping it cheap hand-over-fist on us to git shed of it before a 2011 deadline takes effect that wood stop it dead its tracks. But by then, all their bad particleboard will have bin sold here and installed in shelves and kitchens. If you want to check it yoreself, don't call EPA - they just give you a bunch of hooey. Call your states indoor air quality folks - this could be in the environmental or air quality dep or in the health dept.

This ain't jest another of my wild self-serving rumors - hit's die-rectly from a feller in gubmint, which, as we all know, never lies and is always right.

The US-made stuff is stamped with an Amer National Stds Institoot no A208.1 - 1993 which means they are in compliance with a 13 year old standard, which ain't bad but it's still 13 years old and way behind the findings of field testing.

As far as I can tell, they ain't required to label it "WARNING: MADE IN CHINA WITH HIGH LEVELS OF CANCER CAUSING CHEMICALS JEST A WAITING FOR YEW TO BREATHE IT IN!" so you have to look at it perty close.

So... this does have a climax (sorry ladies)....

If you are building shelves or anything for inside yore house, be sure to seal any un-laminated particleboard with shellac or some other good sealer. I like shellac cause it dries quick and is alcohol based, so you don't have that nice lingering solvent smell in the house ad nauseum.

Welp! That's the word on the street boys.

Guv Bob
"Buy American - if yew kin find it!!"

Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming values. It
heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can not burn the
scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely usless for
countertops that you want to truley last... Always have and always will use
plywood for my projects. And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the
first time something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up when it got moisture in it, no so cheep. And tell me
how long to the blades in your saw last cuting that garbage???? Any garbage
they sweep off the floor at these factories ends up in the "Particle board".
Ever notice how they NEVER call it wood particle board, just particle
board.......

Buy crap, get crap


"Guv Bob" wrote in message
news:CaBCi.643$s06.264@trnddc04...
Speeking of the Chinese.... yew no I just did some research on building
cabinets and see that most all std cabinets are at least partly made of
particleboard.

Well, scents I know that some formaldehyde and so on leaks out of
particleboard, I snooped around to see how to use it and turns out you can
seal it up perty good with shellac, etc., and the gases will be shet up
inside.

Whilest doing high level research on this, (here's where you boys come in) I
found out that them rotten Chinese are dumping high-formaldehyde-content
particleboard onto us fine US folks. Imagine that!? And after all the
Chinese food we eat, too!!

According to a top secret mole I got at the guvmint sweat shop, this is on
account of they was palming it off on the Germuns and the Japunees when
those countries wised up and passed laws against it.

-So, back to my story, they are dumping it cheap hand-over-fist on us to git
shed of it before a 2011 deadline takes effect that wood stop it dead its
tracks. But by then, all their bad particleboard will have bin sold here
and installed in shelves and kitchens. If you want to check it yoreself,
don't call EPA - they just give you a bunch of hooey. Call your states
indoor air quality folks - this could be in the environmental or air quality
dep or in the health dept.

This ain't jest another of my wild self-serving rumors - hit's die-rectly
from a feller in gubmint, which, as we all know, never lies and is always
right.

The US-made stuff is stamped with an Amer National Stds Institoot no
A208.1 - 1993 which means they are in compliance with a 13 year old
standard, which ain't bad but it's still 13 years old and way behind the
findings of field testing.

As far as I can tell, they ain't required to label it "WARNING: MADE IN
CHINA WITH HIGH LEVELS OF CANCER CAUSING CHEMICALS JEST A WAITING FOR YEW TO
BREATHE IT IN!" so you have to look at it perty close.

So... this does have a climax (sorry ladies)....

If you are building shelves or anything for inside yore house, be sure to
seal any un-laminated particleboard with shellac or some other good sealer.
I like shellac cause it dries quick and is alcohol based, so you don't have
that nice lingering solvent smell in the house ad nauseum.

Welp! That's the word on the street boys.

Guv Bob
"Buy American - if yew kin find it!!"

On Sep 3, 9:37 pm, "goaway" wrote:
Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming values. It
heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can not burn the
scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely usless for
countertops that you want to truley last... Always have and always will use
plywood for my projects. And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the
first time something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up [snip]

All true what you're saying. BUT!
Aside from being cheap, the are some serious advantages to consider.
Most PB is laminated with melamine, a very durable surface for the
inside of a cabinet. It is pre-finished and usually very consistent in
terms of flatness and thickness. All that is very useful to assure a
predictable, square product. (This is assuming we're machining it
square, etc.)
If all you ever build is one kitchen, by all means, use plywood. Even
if you're only building 3 per year, by all means...but make sure you
get the big bucks for them with all that finishing and stuff.
Some of that adhesive used in the manufacture of plywood isn't the
prettiest either, btw.
PB is completely useless for countertops. Even clad in laminate, there
is just a problem waiting to happen.... solid surface or engineerded
stone (quartz) is the only way to fly. (The fact that I can even utter
a salespitch at 4:30 AM must mean my vacation is truly over.

r
www.topworks.ca

On Sep 4, 4:22 am, Robatoy wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:37 pm, "goaway" wrote:

Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming values. It
heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can not burn the
scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely usless for
countertops that you want to truley last... Always have and always will use
plywood for my projects. And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the
first time something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up [snip]

All true what you're saying. BUT!
Aside from being cheap, the are some serious advantages to consider.
Most PB is laminated with melamine,

Most PB..as in.... most PB in kitchen cabinet work is melamine
clad...nobody ever uses unfinished PB in a kitchen cabinet...now would
they?

"Robatoy" wrote in message ups.com...
On Sep 4, 4:22 am, Robatoy wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:37 pm, "goaway" wrote:

Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming values. It
heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can not burn the
scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely usless for
countertops that you want to truley last... Always have and always will use
plywood for my projects. And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the
first time something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up [snip]

All true what you're saying. BUT!
Aside from being cheap, the are some serious advantages to consider.
Most PB is laminated with melamine,

Most PB..as in.... most PB in kitchen cabinet work is melamine
clad...nobody ever uses unfinished PB in a kitchen cabinet...now would
they?

Not around here. Most of the ones I have seen in showroom show only laminate from the front, but if you pull the drawers out or look around back, almost all of them have unfinished particle board. Besides Lowes and Home Depot, check your local cabinet shops and look up underneathe. Even the sides and back that are laminated have raw, unfinished particleboard contacting the floor.

On 4 Sep, 04:49, Robatoy wrote:
On Sep 4, 4:22 am, Robatoy wrote:

On Sep 3, 9:37 pm, "goaway" wrote:

Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming values. It
heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can not burn the
scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely usless for
countertops that you want to truley last... Always have and always will use
plywood for my projects. And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the
first time something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up [snip]

All true what you're saying. BUT!
Aside from being cheap, the are some serious advantages to consider.
Most PB is laminated with melamine,

- Most PB..as in.... most PB in kitchen cabinet work is melamine
- clad...nobody ever uses unfinished PB in a kitchen cabinet...now
would
- they?

Ah... the 4:30 AM factor showed up. Get some sleep! ;-)

Guv Bob wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 4, 4:22 am, Robatoy wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:37 pm, "goaway" wrote:

Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming
values. It heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture
content, can not burn the scraps and the bigest fairtail of them
all ==== truely usless for countertops that you want to truley
last... Always have and always will use plywood for my projects.
And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the first time
something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up [snip]

All true what you're saying. BUT!
Aside from being cheap, the are some serious advantages to
consider.
Most PB is laminated with melamine,

Most PB..as in.... most PB in kitchen cabinet work is melamine
clad...nobody ever uses unfinished PB in a kitchen cabinet...now
would they?

Not around here. Most of the ones I have seen in showroom show only
laminate from the front, but if you pull the drawers out or look
around back, almost all of them have unfinished particle board.
Besides Lowes and Home Depot, check your local cabinet shops and
look
up underneathe. Even the sides and back that are laminated have raw,
unfinished particleboard contacting the floor.

Are you on about particleboard or about MDF? Or do you even know the
difference?

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Sep 4, 10:58 am, "Guv Bob"
wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in oglegroups.com...
On Sep 4, 4:22 am, Robatoy wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:37 pm, "goaway" wrote:

Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming values. It
heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can not burn the
scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely usless for
countertops that you want to truley last... Always have and always will use
plywood for my projects. And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the
first time something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up [snip]

All true what you're saying. BUT!
Aside from being cheap, the are some serious advantages to consider.
Most PB is laminated with melamine,

Most PB..as in.... most PB in kitchen cabinet work is melamine
clad...nobody ever uses unfinished PB in a kitchen cabinet...now would
they?

Not around here. Most of the ones I have seen in showroom show only laminate from the front, but if you pull the drawers out or look around back, almost all of them have unfinished particle board. Besides Lowes and Home Depot, check your local cabinet shops and look up underneathe. Even the sides and back that are laminated have raw, unfinished particleboard contacting the floor.

Ahhh, the edges of the gabels. Why yes, of course. Those are never
finished.

On Sep 4, 11:01 am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On 4 Sep, 04:49, Robatoy wrote:

On Sep 4, 4:22 am, Robatoy wrote:

On Sep 3, 9:37 pm, "goaway" wrote:

Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming values. It
heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can not burn the
scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely usless for
countertops that you want to truley last... Always have and always will use
plywood for my projects. And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the
first time something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up [snip]

All true what you're saying. BUT!
Aside from being cheap, the are some serious advantages to consider.
Most PB is laminated with melamine,

- Most PB..as in.... most PB in kitchen cabinet work is melamine
- clad...nobody ever uses unfinished PB in a kitchen cabinet...now
would
- they?

Ah... the 4:30 AM factor showed up. Get some sleep! ;-)

The EDGES??. Nope, never finished... except tape on the visual fronts
maybe in a european style cabinet.
But I have never seen/used melamine on one side of a panel.

"Robatoy" wrote in message ups.com...
On Sep 4, 10:58 am, "Guv Bob"
wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in oglegroups.com...
On Sep 4, 4:22 am, Robatoy wrote:
On Sep 3, 9:37 pm, "goaway" wrote:

Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming values. It
heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can not burn the
scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely usless for
countertops that you want to truley last... Always have and always will use
plywood for my projects. And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the
first time something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up [snip]

All true what you're saying. BUT!
Aside from being cheap, the are some serious advantages to consider.
Most PB is laminated with melamine,

Most PB..as in.... most PB in kitchen cabinet work is melamine
clad...nobody ever uses unfinished PB in a kitchen cabinet...now would
they?

Not around here. Most of the ones I have seen in showroom show only laminate from the front, but if you pull the drawers out or look around back, almost all of them have unfinished particle board. Besides Lowes and Home Depot, check your local cabinet shops and look up underneathe. Even the sides and back that are laminated have raw, unfinished particleboard contacting the floor.

Ahhh, the edges of the gabels. Why yes, of course. Those are never
finished.

Not just the edges (with, by the way, is were most of the fumes come out because they are rough and not sealed). The whole flat sides and back are exposed particleboard. Give me a binary newsgroup you have access to and I'll upload a photo.

"Robatoy" wrote in message ups.com...
On Sep 4, 11:01 am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On 4 Sep, 04:49, Robatoy wrote:

On Sep 4, 4:22 am, Robatoy wrote:

On Sep 3, 9:37 pm, "goaway" wrote:

Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming values. It
heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can not burn the
scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely usless for
countertops that you want to truley last... Always have and always will use
plywood for my projects. And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the
first time something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up [snip]

All true what you're saying. BUT!
Aside from being cheap, the are some serious advantages to consider.
Most PB is laminated with melamine,

- Most PB..as in.... most PB in kitchen cabinet work is melamine
- clad...nobody ever uses unfinished PB in a kitchen cabinet...now
would
- they?

Ah... the 4:30 AM factor showed up. Get some sleep! ;-)

The EDGES??. Nope, never finished... except tape on the visual fronts
maybe in a european style cabinet.
But I have never seen/used melamine on one side of a panel.

You need to seal the edges for safety - not for visual appearance. The edges are just like edge on wood - they soak up water like a sponge, and also emit FORMALDEHYDE that is used in the mfr of particleboard. The flat finished sides of particleboard are not coated either but emit less because they are pressed and finished.

I appreciate the fact that particleboard has some good uses, but I'm talking about the solvents and adhesives used in making it being emitted to the air. Like I said, there are regulations in place to limit the outgassed to 10% of what is allowed today mainly because of the Chinese dumping of high-toxic-gas content particleboard, but the compliance date is 2011 and doesn't affect the tons of particleboard now being used in household cabinets.

We're not talking about a lot of money to correct these problems. A few cents per 4x8 sheet. However, you still need to seal the cut edges.

You may be used to sealing wood only to keep moisture out, but you also have to seal it to keep any harmful chemicals inside if you're going to use it.

Guv Bob

Photos posted at alt.binaries.crafts.pictures under subject, "Cabinets with exposed particleboard "

PS -- The surface is shiney because I coated all the particleboard with 2 coats of shellac.

"Guv Bob" wrote in message news:RtfDi.1332$s06.561@trnddc04...
Photos posted at alt.binaries.crafts.pictures under subject, "Cabinets with exposed particleboard "

On Sep 4, 12:12 pm, "Guv Bob"
wrote:
Photos posted at alt.binaries.crafts.pictures under subject, "Cabinets with exposed particleboard "

I have got to hand it to you. I have yet to encounter a piece of
cabinetry that badly made. Just awful.

I have been in this business since 1976 and it has always been
melamine on both sides.
There was a rash of 'ResCore' around which was some kind of resin
painted PB, but that didn't last long.
I know of no cabinet shop in my territory that would stoop to that
crap.

I guess the off-shore crowd won't stop at anything, eh?

Thanks for the heads up, I will be keeping a close eye on some of the
imported stuff.

A sheet of 4x8 5/8 melamine (120 gram) might cost 20 bucks... so over
a whole kitchen, if I can get that sheet for half that price, I save
what...100 bucks if I use 10 sheets?
$ 100.00 on a 8-10K$ kitchen...whoopie.

"Robatoy" wrote in message ups.com...
On Sep 4, 12:12 pm, "Guv Bob"
wrote:
Photos posted at alt.binaries.crafts.pictures under subject, "Cabinets with exposed particleboard "

I have got to hand it to you. I have yet to encounter a piece of
cabinetry that badly made. Just awful.

I have been in this business since 1976 and it has always been
melamine on both sides.
There was a rash of 'ResCore' around which was some kind of resin
painted PB, but that didn't last long.
I know of no cabinet shop in my territory that would stoop to that
crap.

I guess the off-shore crowd won't stop at anything, eh?

Thanks for the heads up, I will be keeping a close eye on some of the
imported stuff.

A sheet of 4x8 5/8 melamine (120 gram) might cost 20 bucks... so over
a whole kitchen, if I can get that sheet for half that price, I save
what...100 bucks if I use 10 sheets?
$ 100.00 on a 8-10K$ kitchen...whoopie.

Yeah, I learned more than I really wanted to on this little project. Evidently the latest industry standard now in use is ANSI A208.1 - 1993. Don't ask me what that means though... that's where I get off. Probably means "buyer beware."

After this little experience, I went around to other cabinet shops and find out that most advertise the particleboard cabinets as a come-on. Then they offer 'various grades' -- laminated one side, both sides, edges, etc.

By the time you learn what you really need to know, you wish you could go back and start over. Same with women.

Guv Bob

On Sep 2, 12:04 pm, "Guv Bob"
wrote:
Speeking of the Chinese.... yew no I just did some research on building cabinets and see that most all std cabinets are at least partly made of particleboard.

Well, scents I know that some formaldehyde and so on leaks out of particleboard, I snooped around to see how to use it and turns out you can seal it up perty good with shellac, etc., and the gases will be shet up inside.

Whilest doing high level research on this, (here's where you boys come in) I found out that them rotten Chinese are dumping high-formaldehyde-content particleboard onto us fine US folks. Imagine that!? And after all the Chinese food we eat, too!!

According to a top secret mole I got at the guvmint sweat shop, this is on account of they was palming it off on the Germuns and the Japunees when those countries wised up and passed laws against it.

-So, back to my story, they are dumping it cheap hand-over-fist on us to git shed of it before a 2011 deadline takes effect that wood stop it dead its tracks. But by then, all their bad particleboard will have bin sold here and installed in shelves and kitchens. If you want to check it yoreself, don't call EPA - they just give you a bunch of hooey. Call your states indoor air quality folks - this could be in the environmental or air quality dep or in the health dept.

This ain't jest another of my wild self-serving rumors - hit's die-rectly from a feller in gubmint, which, as we all know, never lies and is always right.

The US-made stuff is stamped with an Amer National Stds Institoot no A208.1 - 1993 which means they are in compliance with a 13 year old standard, which ain't bad but it's still 13 years old and way behind the findings of field testing.

As far as I can tell, they ain't required to label it "WARNING: MADE IN CHINA WITH HIGH LEVELS OF CANCER CAUSING CHEMICALS JEST A WAITING FOR YEW TO BREATHE IT IN!" so you have to look at it perty close.

So... this does have a climax (sorry ladies)....

If you are building shelves or anything for inside yore house, be sure to seal any un-laminated particleboard with shellac or some other good sealer. I like shellac cause it dries quick and is alcohol based, so you don't have that nice lingering solvent smell in the house ad nauseum.

Welp! That's the word on the street boys.

Guv Bob
"Buy American - if yew kin find it!!"

While on a business trip to Germany many years ago, I learned that the
German code requires all six surfaces of PB must be covered with
laminate to prevent out gassing. The Germans invented PB to provide
sheet stock for the cabinet making industry using any wood which
remained after WW ll.
It is my understanding that currently manufactured U.S. PB has
ameliorated the gassing problem. The Chinese in keeping with their
record regarding tires, dog food, tooth paste and children;s toys
can not be trusted to care too much about PB carcinogens.
Joe G

On Sep 4, 1:47 pm, GROVER wrote:
On Sep 2, 12:04 pm, "Guv Bob"
wrote:



Speeking of the Chinese.... yew no I just did some research on building cabinets and see that most all std cabinets are at least partly made of particleboard.

Well, scents I know that some formaldehyde and so on leaks out of particleboard, I snooped around to see how to use it and turns out you can seal it up perty good with shellac, etc., and the gases will be shet up inside.

Whilest doing high level research on this, (here's where you boys come in) I found out that them rotten Chinese are dumping high-formaldehyde-content particleboard onto us fine US folks. Imagine that!? And after all the Chinese food we eat, too!

According to a top secret mole I got at the guvmint sweat shop, this is on account of they was palming it off on the Germuns and the Japunees when those countries wised up and passed laws against it.

-So, back to my story, they are dumping it cheap hand-over-fist on us to git shed of it before a 2011 deadline takes effect that wood stop it dead its tracks. But by then, all their bad particleboard will have bin sold here and installed in shelves and kitchens. If you want to check it yoreself, don't call EPA - they just give you a bunch of hooey. Call your states indoor air quality folks - this could be in the environmental or air quality dep or in the health dept.

This ain't jest another of my wild self-serving rumors - hit's die-rectly from a feller in gubmint, which, as we all know, never lies and is always right.

The US-made stuff is stamped with an Amer National Stds Institoot no A208.1 - 1993 which means they are in compliance with a 13 year old standard, which ain't bad but it's still 13 years old and way behind the findings of field testing.

As far as I can tell, they ain't required to label it "WARNING: MADE IN CHINA WITH HIGH LEVELS OF CANCER CAUSING CHEMICALS JEST A WAITING FOR YEW TO BREATHE IT IN!" so you have to look at it perty close.

So... this does have a climax (sorry ladies)....

If you are building shelves or anything for inside yore house, be sure to seal any un-laminated particleboard with shellac or some other good sealer. I like shellac cause it dries quick and is alcohol based, so you don't have that nice lingering solvent smell in the house ad nauseum.

Welp! That's the word on the street boys.

Guv Bob
"Buy American - if yew kin find it!-!"

While on a business trip to Germany many years ago, I learned that the
German code requires all six surfaces of PB must be covered with
laminate to prevent out gassing. The Germans invented PB to provide
sheet stock for the cabinet making industry using any wood which
remained after WW ll.
It is my understanding that currently manufactured U.S. PB has
ameliorated the gassing problem. The Chinese in keeping with their
record regarding tires, dog food, tooth paste and children;s toys
can not be trusted to care too much about PB carcinogens.
Joe G

Cover it up all you want, you still need to process the panels and all
the dust collection in the world isn't going stop gases from floating
about the shop. Only proper filters will stop those gases.
Even 32 mm system gang drilling operations will release trapped gases
from under the melamine skin. BTDT.
I'm pretty sure by now that they won't have to embalm me after I
vapour-lock.

On Sep 2, 4:04 pm, "Guv Bob"
wrote:
Speeking of the Chinese.... yew no I just did some research on building cabinets
and see that most all std cabinets are at least partly made of particleboard.

...

I think those are the 'good' ones. The crappy ones are made with MDF.

--

FF

Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

I think those are the 'good' ones. The crappy ones are made with MDF.

Other way around--MDF is better than particleboard. The only benefit of
particleboard is cost.

Chris

On Sep 4, 3:34 p.m., Chris Friesen wrote:
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

I think those are the 'good' ones. The crappy ones are made with MDF.

Other way around--MDF is better than particleboard. The only benefit of
particleboard is cost.

Chris

What smells worse? Hippopotamus dung or rhinoceros dung?
It's all shiat.
Having said that, I would select MDF for projects where PB wouldn't do
and (as my aunt used to say) vicie versie.
Both products disgust me in different ways.

r

On Sep 4, 7:34 pm, Chris Friesen wrote:
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

I think those are the 'good' ones. The crappy ones are made with MDF.

Other way around--MDF is better than particleboard. The only benefit of
particleboard is cost.


In my experience particle board has better moisture resistance.

That can be a non-trivial issue in a kitchen or bathroom.

--

FF

goaway wrote:
Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming values. It
heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can not burn the
scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely usless for
countertops that you want to truley last... Always have and always will use
plywood for my projects. And to those who say "but it's cheep" yes for the
first time something is built, but when it needs to be rebuilt because it
warped or ballooned up when it got moisture in it, no so cheep. And tell me
how long to the blades in your saw last cuting that garbage???? Any garbage
they sweep off the floor at these factories ends up in the "Particle board".
Ever notice how they NEVER call it wood particle board, just particle
board.......

Buy crap, get crap


"Guv Bob" wrote in message
news:CaBCi.643$s06.264@trnddc04...
Speeking of the Chinese.... yew no I just did some research on building
cabinets and see that most all std cabinets are at least partly made of
particleboard.

Well, scents I know that some formaldehyde and so on leaks out of
particleboard, I snooped around to see how to use it and turns out you can
seal it up perty good with shellac, etc., and the gases will be shet up
inside.

Whilest doing high level research on this, (here's where you boys come in) I
found out that them rotten Chinese are dumping high-formaldehyde-content
particleboard onto us fine US folks. Imagine that!? And after all the
Chinese food we eat, too!!

According to a top secret mole I got at the guvmint sweat shop, this is on
account of they was palming it off on the Germuns and the Japunees when
those countries wised up and passed laws against it.

-So, back to my story, they are dumping it cheap hand-over-fist on us to git
shed of it before a 2011 deadline takes effect that wood stop it dead its
tracks. But by then, all their bad particleboard will have bin sold here
and installed in shelves and kitchens. If you want to check it yoreself,
don't call EPA - they just give you a bunch of hooey. Call your states
indoor air quality folks - this could be in the environmental or air quality
dep or in the health dept.

This ain't jest another of my wild self-serving rumors - hit's die-rectly
from a feller in gubmint, which, as we all know, never lies and is always
right.

The US-made stuff is stamped with an Amer National Stds Institoot no
A208.1 - 1993 which means they are in compliance with a 13 year old
standard, which ain't bad but it's still 13 years old and way behind the
findings of field testing.

As far as I can tell, they ain't required to label it "WARNING: MADE IN
CHINA WITH HIGH LEVELS OF CANCER CAUSING CHEMICALS JEST A WAITING FOR YEW TO
BREATHE IT IN!" so you have to look at it perty close.

So... this does have a climax (sorry ladies)....

If you are building shelves or anything for inside yore house, be sure to
seal any un-laminated particleboard with shellac or some other good sealer.
I like shellac cause it dries quick and is alcohol based, so you don't have
that nice lingering solvent smell in the house ad nauseum.

Welp! That's the word on the street boys.

Guv Bob
"Buy American - if yew kin find it!!"


The International Building Code is cited by Industry as the best thing
since freesh squoze oranges juice. It is in fact a nightmare for home
buyers. Wait a while and examine the structure, you plunk down a quarter
mill or more for. They are built to a junk standard out of junk.
Particle board, from China, may be the least, of a home buyer's troubles.
Friends bought a mini mansion, on a gold course, for a the better part
of a million a year ago. The place is literally coming apart at the
joints. No exaggeration. All of them, in the development, are in a
similar state. They are a far cry from the hardwood homes pegged
together, expected to last several lifetimes.

"Guv Bob" wrote in message
news:IUeDi.6237$kI5.3275@trnddc08...

Not just the edges (with, by the way, is were most of the fumes come out
because they are rough and not sealed). The whole flat sides and back are
exposed particleboard. Give me a binary newsgroup you have access to and
I'll upload a photo.

alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking

Photos posted here...

alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking

tsi-yu wrote:
goaway wrote:
Never felt a need to use particle board. It has NO redeeming
values.
It heavy, it fails easily, it sags with any moisture content, can
not burn the scraps and the bigest fairtail of them all ==== truely
usless for countertops that you want to truley last... Always have
and always will use plywood for my projects. And to those who say
"but it's cheep" yes for the first time something is built, but
when
it needs to be rebuilt because it warped or ballooned up when it
got
moisture in it, no so cheep. And tell me how long to the blades in
your saw last cuting that garbage???? Any garbage they sweep off
the
floor at these factories ends up in the "Particle board". Ever
notice how they NEVER call it wood particle board, just particle
board.......

Buy crap, get crap


"Guv Bob" wrote in message
news:CaBCi.643$s06.264@trnddc04...
Speeking of the Chinese.... yew no I just did some research on
building cabinets and see that most all std cabinets are at least
partly made of particleboard.

Well, scents I know that some formaldehyde and so on leaks out of
particleboard, I snooped around to see how to use it and turns out
you can seal it up perty good with shellac, etc., and the gases
will
be shet up inside.

Whilest doing high level research on this, (here's where you boys
come in) I found out that them rotten Chinese are dumping
high-formaldehyde-content particleboard onto us fine US folks.
Imagine that!? And after all the Chinese food we eat, too!!

According to a top secret mole I got at the guvmint sweat shop,
this
is on account of they was palming it off on the Germuns and the
Japunees when those countries wised up and passed laws against it.

-So, back to my story, they are dumping it cheap hand-over-fist on
us to git shed of it before a 2011 deadline takes effect that wood
stop it dead its tracks. But by then, all their bad particleboard
will have bin sold here and installed in shelves and kitchens. If
you want to check it yoreself, don't call EPA - they just give you
a
bunch of hooey. Call your states indoor air quality folks - this
could be in the environmental or air quality dep or in the health
dept.

This ain't jest another of my wild self-serving rumors - hit's
die-rectly from a feller in gubmint, which, as we all know, never
lies and is always right.

The US-made stuff is stamped with an Amer National Stds Institoot
no
A208.1 - 1993 which means they are in compliance with a 13 year old
standard, which ain't bad but it's still 13 years old and way
behind
the findings of field testing.

As far as I can tell, they ain't required to label it "WARNING:
MADE
IN CHINA WITH HIGH LEVELS OF CANCER CAUSING CHEMICALS JEST A
WAITING
FOR YEW TO BREATHE IT IN!" so you have to look at it perty close.

So... this does have a climax (sorry ladies)....

If you are building shelves or anything for inside yore house, be
sure to seal any un-laminated particleboard with shellac or some
other good sealer. I like shellac cause it dries quick and is
alcohol based, so you don't have that nice lingering solvent smell
in the house ad nauseum.

Welp! That's the word on the street boys.

Guv Bob
"Buy American - if yew kin find it!!"


The International Building Code is cited by Industry as the best
thing
since freesh squoze oranges juice. It is in fact a nightmare for
home
buyers. Wait a while and examine the structure, you plunk down a
quarter mill or more for. They are built to a junk standard out of
junk. Particle board, from China, may be the least, of a home
buyer's
troubles. Friends bought a mini mansion, on a gold course, for a the
better part of a million a year ago. The place is literally coming
apart at the joints. No exaggeration. All of them, in the
development, are in a similar state. They are a far cry from the
hardwood homes pegged together, expected to last several lifetimes.

Those structures are to mansions as a Big Mac is to food.

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