Ok,

Was watching an old Norm show on DIY and it was the TS jig show where
he
talks about his old panel cutter and how he would like to update it.
Well, if we
want one like his new one, he will show us how to make it. Only
problem is
that he uses his OLD panel cutter to cut the panel for the new one! If
you
DON'T have his old panel cutter, and hadn't figured out how to cut a
panel for the jig, you'd be scratching your head and saying: Huh?

Oh, the man is deep very deep!

MJ Wallace

wrote:

Ok,

Was watching an old Norm show on DIY and it was the TS jig show where
he
talks about his old panel cutter and how he would like to update it.
Well, if we
want one like his new one, he will show us how to make it. Only
problem is
that he uses his OLD panel cutter to cut the panel for the new one! If
you
DON'T have his old panel cutter, and hadn't figured out how to cut a
panel for the jig, you'd be scratching your head and saying: Huh?

Oh, the man is deep very deep!

MJ Wallace

Lay a board with a straight edge on the panel and clamp it in place.
Then use a circular saw to cut it.
mahalo,
jo4hn

"jo4hn" wrote in message
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wrote:

Ok,

Was watching an old Norm show on DIY and it was the TS jig show where
he
talks about his old panel cutter and how he would like to update it.
Well, if we
want one like his new one, he will show us how to make it. Only
problem is
that he uses his OLD panel cutter to cut the panel for the new one! If
you
DON'T have his old panel cutter, and hadn't figured out how to cut a
panel for the jig, you'd be scratching your head and saying: Huh?

Oh, the man is deep very deep!

MJ Wallace

Lay a board with a straight edge on the panel and clamp it in place. Then
use a circular saw to cut it.
mahalo,
jo4hn

Kinda not the point. The point is that Norm uses a panel cutter to show you
how to make a panel cutter.

todd

Todd - You're thinking too hard. Give it up man!

RonB

"jo4hn" wrote in message ...
wrote:

Ok,

Was watching an old Norm show on DIY and it was the TS jig show where
he
talks about his old panel cutter and how he would like to update it.
Well, if we
want one like his new one, he will show us how to make it. Only
problem is
that he uses his OLD panel cutter to cut the panel for the new one! If
you
DON'T have his old panel cutter, and hadn't figured out how to cut a
panel for the jig, you'd be scratching your head and saying: Huh?

Oh, the man is deep very deep!

MJ Wallace

Lay a board with a straight edge on the panel and clamp it in place. Then use a circular saw to cut
it.
mahalo,
jo4hn
Hmm. I think he knows HOW to do it - the panel cutter is not really needed. The point is the irony of
using the OLD panel cutter to make the NEW panel cutter.

"Dave Gordon" d@p wrote in message
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Ok,

Was watching an old Norm show on DIY and it was the TS jig show where


Lay a board with a straight edge on the panel and clamp it in place. Then
use a circular saw to cut

Hmm. I think he knows HOW to do it - the panel cutter is not really
needed. The point is the irony of using the OLD panel cutter to make the
NEW panel cutter.

Kind of like needing a shop to build a shop, or needing a workbench to build
a workbench... Ever wonder how the first tools were made? ;~)

John

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Kind of like needing a shop to build a shop, or needing a workbench to
build a workbench... Ever wonder how the first tools were made? ;~)

John


Roy Underhill spoke to that when he built the fold-up work bench. I built
that bench and used it for a number of years. One of my sons has it now.

I seem to remember that you were at Williamsburg. If that's correct, I'm
curious if you use the English pig sticker mortise chisel. Are the Ray Iles
mortise chisels a form of the pig sticker?

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Kind of like needing a shop to build a shop, or needing a workbench to
build a workbench... Ever wonder how the first tools were made? ;~)

John


Roy Underhill spoke to that when he built the fold-up work bench. I built
that bench and used it for a number of years. One of my sons has it now.

I seem to remember that you were at Williamsburg. If that's correct, I'm
curious if you use the English pig sticker mortise chisel. Are the Ray
Iles mortise chisels a form of the pig sticker?

Yes, I was a Williamsburg... Regarding mortise chisels, the Ray Iles (such
as those shown on http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com) are of a pattern that
they could be called a pig sticker. I've seen several variants referred to
as a "pig sticker" and personally am not sure that there is a "perfect model
pig sticker." The L-N mortise chisels have parallel sides vs. the
trapezoidal shape of the Iles and I've seen that style too referred to as a
pig sticker. Perhaps one of the antique tool collectors here may add
historical context to the term for us.

I fondly recall creating things out of nothing at Williamsburg... the
process of making a screw plate for machine screws, for example, involved
making the original screw with files, turning it into a tap, threading the
screw plate blank and then turning the screw plate blank into a tool by
filing in slots and hardening/tempering the tool. The evolution of hammers
is another interesting thing: a rock .... to a hammer.

John

"Dave Gordon" d@p wrote in message
Hmm. I think he knows HOW to do it - the panel cutter is not really
needed. The point is the irony of using the OLD panel cutter to make the
NEW panel cutter.


I have to wonder though, how many people will build the old panel cutter
just so they can make the cuts for the new panel cutter.

Wed, Jul 11, 2007, 11:43pm (EDT+5) d@p (Dave*Gordon) doth sayeth:
Hmm. I think he knows HOW to do it - the panel cutter is not really
needed. The point is the irony of using the OLD panel cutter to make the
NEW panel cutter.

I'd say that's just bing practical. I'd call it irony if he "had"
to have the old one to make the new one, or hadn't used it.

I used my old router table to make my latest version. Sure, I
could have done it without the old one, but why? It would have taken a
lot longer, and been a lot less easy if I hadn't used it. Norm knows.



JOAT
I do things I don't know how to do, so that I might learn how to do
them.
- Picasso

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:05:54 -0000, "
wrote:

Ok,

Was watching an old Norm show on DIY and it was the TS jig show where
he
talks about his old panel cutter and how he would like to update it.
Well, if we
want one like his new one, he will show us how to make it. Only
problem is
that he uses his OLD panel cutter to cut the panel for the new one! If
you
DON'T have his old panel cutter, and hadn't figured out how to cut a
panel for the jig, you'd be scratching your head and saying: Huh?

Oh, the man is deep very deep!

I remember once he went over to the prototype to get a measurement or
angle, can't remember which. I was scratching my head on that one.


-Leuf

wrote:
Ok,

Was watching an old Norm show on DIY and it was the TS jig show where
he
talks about his old panel cutter and how he would like to update it.
Well, if we
want one like his new one, he will show us how to make it. Only
problem is
that he uses his OLD panel cutter to cut the panel for the new one! If
you
DON'T have his old panel cutter, and hadn't figured out how to cut a
panel for the jig, you'd be scratching your head and saying: Huh?

Oh, the man is deep very deep!

MJ Wallace

Occasionally Norm forgets that some small part of his viewing audience are
bit creatively challenged....clamping a strait board to cut the initial
panel with a skill saw takes years of experience to master.....I know I get
completely lost when he trots out his wide belt sander....what to do in my
humble shop? I suppose petty nit picking can be entertaining (I'm enjoying
this) but in the long run I'm not sure of the value. Rod

wrote in message
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Ok,

Was watching an old Norm show on DIY and it was the TS jig show where
he
talks about his old panel cutter and how he would like to update it.
Well, if we
want one like his new one, he will show us how to make it. Only
problem is
that he uses his OLD panel cutter to cut the panel for the new one! If
you
DON'T have his old panel cutter, and hadn't figured out how to cut a
panel for the jig, you'd be scratching your head and saying: Huh?

Oh, the man is deep very deep!


So it bothers you why? Because he uses the best tool available to make the
new one?

Not that it matters if you get a single straight edge on the panel you're
using. Once you get the guide in the ditch, the blade will make the only
straight edge you need on the panel. Square to it with your fence. Until
then, factory is all you need.

I used my old "sacrificial" board on my rip fence to make the new one, is
that the same thing?

"George" wrote in message

I used my old "sacrificial" board on my rip fence to make the new one, is
that the same thing?

And many have never used a panel cutter in their lives, yet most manage to
make straight square cuts. Who said that a panel cutter was an absolute
necessity? It's just a convenience. It they were a necessity, every saw
manufacturer would be selling them with their saws at an increased price.

wrote:
he uses his OLD panel cutter to cut the panel for the new one! If
you
DON'T have his old panel cutter, and hadn't figured out how to cut a
panel for the jig, you'd be scratching your head and saying: Huh?

Perhaps one could use one of the other 400 ways to make a straight cut
on a panel, using whatever tools are on hand?

God forbid he uses his big sander, then what would you do? G

And if I recall correctly, Norm used his old router table to build his new
one. Nevertheless, I don't believe there was any point in the process where
Norm said "you have to have a panel cutter to make the new panel cutter." I
think he was merely demonstrating how handy it is to have one available when
cutting a large panel for any type of project that makes use of a large
panel -- for example, a panel cutter.

I, myself, am planning to use my version of Norm's panel cutter to make some
components for a crosscut sled, which is destined to be the replacement for
my -- wait for it -- panel cutter.

Lee

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On 10 Jul, 20:05, " wrote:
Ok,

Was watching an old Norm show on DIY and it was the TS jig show where
he
talks about his old panel cutter and how he would like to update it.
Well, if we
want one like his new one, he will show us how to make it. Only
problem is
that he uses his OLD panel cutter to cut the panel for the new one! If
you
DON'T have his old panel cutter, and hadn't figured out how to cut a
panel for the jig, you'd be scratching your head and saying: Huh?

Oh, the man is deep very deep!

MJ Wallace

Changing the subject, but regarding another show was Norm was making
jigs...

He was making a circle cutting jig for his bandsaw. He used his router
with a fence to make a dado down the center of a long board to hold a
nut. He then said: I've installed a smaller bit, adjusted my fence,
and now I'm going to make a slot right down the center of the dado for
a bolt."

I don't have a fence for my router, so maybe I'm missing something,
but if I install a smaller bit, wouldn't my slot end up right in the
middle of the dado without any fence adjustment?

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:48:00 -0700, DerbyDad03
wrote:

Changing the subject, but regarding another show was Norm was making
jigs...

He was making a circle cutting jig for his bandsaw. He used his router
with a fence to make a dado down the center of a long board to hold a
nut. He then said: I've installed a smaller bit, adjusted my fence,
and now I'm going to make a slot right down the center of the dado for
a bolt."

I don't have a fence for my router, so maybe I'm missing something,
but if I install a smaller bit, wouldn't my slot end up right in the
middle of the dado without any fence adjustment?

Yes, but you usually have to move the fence out of the way to change
the bit.


-Leuf

But the true irony is that he demonstrated before making his new panel
cutter how wobbly his old one was when in the miter slot.

Allen
wrote in message
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Ok,

Was watching an old Norm show on DIY and it was the TS jig show where
he
talks about his old panel cutter and how he would like to update it.
Well, if we
want one like his new one, he will show us how to make it. Only
problem is
that he uses his OLD panel cutter to cut the panel for the new one! If
you
DON'T have his old panel cutter, and hadn't figured out how to cut a
panel for the jig, you'd be scratching your head and saying: Huh?

Oh, the man is deep very deep!

MJ Wallace