I want to fasten one square wood frame to another in a fashion that
can be easily removed. I'm thinking wing-nut sort of thing, but more
attractive. Only one side of the piece will be accessible while
attaching the frame.

Can someone offer a suggestion as to what to Google on?

Thanks

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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I want to fasten one square wood frame to another in a fashion that
can be easily removed. I'm thinking wing-nut sort of thing, but more
attractive. Only one side of the piece will be accessible while
attaching the frame.

Can someone offer a suggestion as to what to Google on?

Thanks


How secure does the union have to be? Attaching mating rare earth magnets
to each works well if you do not need absolutely no movement.

Leon write:
How secure does the union have to be? Attaching mating rare earth
magnets
to each works well if you do not need absolutely no movement.

Movement ok, but it would be relatively heavy for magnets it seems. 3
ft x 5 ft frame, maybe, holding a sheet of glass.

Thanks

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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Leon write:
How secure does the union have to be? Attaching mating rare earth
magnets
to each works well if you do not need absolutely no movement.

Movement ok, but it would be relatively heavy for magnets it seems. 3
ft x 5 ft frame, maybe, holding a sheet of glass.

Thanks



FIY the 3/4" x 1/8" round rare magnets will lift 22 lbs. each. The 1" x
1/8" will lift 30lbs. each.

See.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...363,42348&ap=1

On Jun 5, 4:23 pm, Greg Esres wrote:
I want to fasten one square wood frame to another in a fashion that
can be easily removed. I'm thinking wing-nut sort of thing, but more
attractive. Only one side of the piece will be accessible while
attaching the frame.

Can someone offer a suggestion as to what to Google on?

Rare earth magnets, sliding dovetails, T-nuts or threadserts (aka wood
insert nuts) are a few possibilities. You didn't mention how big the
frames are and how much load, and in what direction, will be on the
fasteners, but you could tap the wood if it's a hardwood then just use
machine screws.

R

Rare earth magnets, sliding dovetails, T-nuts or threadserts (aka wood
insert nuts) are a few possibilities.

I was going to suggest t-nuts also, or possibly "barrel nuts",
threaded inserts (probably the same as threadserts?), or pocket-hole
screws, if it doesn't need to be dissembled and reassembled too many
times.
Good luck,
Andy

Andy wrote:
I was going to suggest t-nuts also, or possibly "barrel nuts",
threaded inserts (probably the same as threadserts?), or pocket-hole
screws, if it doesn't need to be dissembled and reassembled too many
times.

T-nuts look good. Barrel nuts look attractive, but I'd need one that
doesn't require a tool to remove. I'll look for those. Pocket-hole
screws would be too difficult to remove quickly

Thank you

On Jun 5, 7:07 pm, Greg Esres wrote:
Andy wrote:

I was going to suggest t-nuts also, or possibly "barrel nuts",
threaded inserts (probably the same as threadserts?), or pocket-hole
screws, if it doesn't need to be dissembled and reassembled too many
times.

T-nuts look good. Barrel nuts look attractive, but I'd need one that
doesn't require a tool to remove. I'll look for those. Pocket-hole
screws would be too difficult to remove quickly

What exactly are you doing? You'll get more creative, and possibly
more humorous, answers if the specific application is known.
Frinstance, if it's some sort of storm panel or shutter, then I'd
recommend vinyl bulb weatherstripping and not worry about perfectly
mating surfaces and closely spaced fasteners.

R

RicoJour wrote:

What exactly are you doing? You'll get more creative, and possibly
more humorous, answers if the specific application is known.
Frinstance, if it's some sort of storm panel or shutter, then I'd
recommend vinyl bulb weatherstripping and not worry about perfectly
mating surfaces and closely spaced fasteners.

Sorry, I was trying not to bore you guys with non-useful information.
I am making a storm window of sorts, but it will be on the inside of
the window. The purpose is primarily for sound insulation, but I'd
like to be able to remove the window quickly should the need arise.
Either escaping a fire or washing the windows.

RicodJour wrote:

sliding dovetails

Yikes!

threadserts

I'll have to study those.

You didn't mention how big the frames are and how much load, and in
what direction, will be on the fasteners, but you could tap the wood
if it's a hardwood then just use machine screws.

3 ft x 5 ft frame with 1/4" glass over a window. I want to be able to
pull it off fairly easily and quickly, hence the preference not to
require a tool to remove it.

Thank you.

Greg Esres wrote:

3 ft x 5 ft frame with 1/4" glass over a window. I want to be able to
pull it off fairly easily and quickly, hence the preference not to
require a tool to remove it.

As the old saying goes, "You can't get there from here."

Unless the glass is in a vertical plane, it will probably break if you
look at it cross eyed.

If the glass pane is vertical, the weight is such that unless you are
a trained gorilla, even wing nuts won't get the job done.

Just curious, what is the objection to using some kind of tool?

Lew

Lew wrote:

Just curious, what is the objection to using some kind of tool?

I'm putting an extra thick sheet of glass in the inside of a window
for an improvement in sound insulation. I'm thinking in a fire or an
invasion by ninjas, I'd like to get out of the window pretty fast. :-)

Wed, Jun 6, 2007, 12:30pm (EDT-3) (Greg*Esres)
doth mumble:
I'm putting an extra thick sheet of glass in the inside of a window for
an improvement in sound insulation. I'm thinking in a fire or an
invasion by ninjas, I'd like to get out of the window pretty fast. :-)

Well, if I figured I'd be needing to get out a window in some event
like that, I'd say a 9mm slug or two should do it - I keep a 9mm handy,
because I'm anticipating a ninja invasion any minute now. Or, hang a
large hammer on the wall next to the wndow - you coud make it decoraton
by usng an antique hammer. I would NOT want to dork around turning
wingnuts, or whatever, if that was my exit of choice in case of fire.
IF you're so cheap you don't want to break the wndow, put hinges along
one side, and keep it shut with sliding bolts or something.

Always remember, K.I.S.S. If you don't know what that means. you'd
better find out fast.



JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton

Lew wrote:

If the glass pane is vertical, the weight is such that unless you
are
a trained gorilla, even wing nuts won't get the job done.

Hmmm...I haven't given much thought to the weight. I have no idea how
much a sheet of glass this size would weigh. Seems like 1/4" would be
strong enough not to break easily, though. Surely the thickness of a
sliding glass door is about that.

As for removing it by hand....perhaps a hinge might be easier.
sigh Decisions, decisions.

Thanks

Greg Esres wrote:

Hmmm...I haven't given much thought to the weight. I have no idea how
much a sheet of glass this size would weigh. Seems like 1/4" would be
strong enough not to break easily, though. Surely the thickness of a
sliding glass door is about that.

For an unsupported piece of glass that large, 1/4" is not very strong.

I have some 34"x57" pieces of 1/2" laminated safety glass that are
composed of 1/4" sheets with a layer of plastic in the middle I'm
saving for a job.

Trust me, they are very heavy, as is a sliding patio door.

If you need to get out of the house thru that window, in case of a
fire, you will need a simple tool.

It called a BRICK.

The bigger the better.

A matter of seconds may mean the difference between life and death.

If this project is for sound deadening only, consider smaller
unsupported panels, as well as considering some type of plastic rather
than glass.



Lew

woodworkers supply has some hardware that might suit you. Similar
hardware is of course available from other vendors as well.

http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/CATALOG.exe?CATDEFAULT=225&CATPAGE=196
http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/CATALOG.exe?CATDEFAULT=225&CATPAGE=197

Greg Esres wrote:
I want to fasten one square wood frame to another in a fashion that
can be easily removed. I'm thinking wing-nut sort of thing, but more
attractive. Only one side of the piece will be accessible while
attaching the frame.

Can someone offer a suggestion as to what to Google on?

Thanks

Russ wrote:
http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/CATALOG.exe?
CATDEFAULT=225&CATPAGE=196
http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/CATALOG.exe?CATDEFAULT=225&CATPAGE=197


Some of that stuff may work...I'll have to study it to see exactly
what it does.

Thank you!

Might want to have a look at these. I used them on a saddle rack for my mom.
Three arms 24" stick out from the main body and hold saddles about 50-75#
each. Needless to say I have no complaints. Saddlerack is about two years
old. Watch the wordwrap. If the link don't work go to lee valley and search
for tension rod nuts.
Good Luck Lyndell

You may need a really long drill bit for some applications. :-)

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/pa...=3,41306,52493


"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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I want to fasten one square wood frame to another in a fashion that
can be easily removed. I'm thinking wing-nut sort of thing, but more
attractive. Only one side of the piece will be accessible while
attaching the frame.

Can someone offer a suggestion as to what to Google on?

Thanks

Tue, Jun 5, 2007, 1:23pm (EDT-3) (Greg*Esres)
doth posteth:
snip I'm thinking wing-nut sort of thing, but more attractive. snip

A pretty wng nut?



JOAT
What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
- Peter Egan

Greg Esres wrote:
| I want to fasten one square wood frame to another in a fashion that
| can be easily removed. I'm thinking wing-nut sort of thing, but
| more attractive. Only one side of the piece will be accessible
| while attaching the frame.
|
| Can someone offer a suggestion as to what to Google on?

Try 'aircraft fasteners' (without quotes). There exists quite a
variety of quarter-turn and push-to-open fasteners used in aircraft to
provide easy removal, secure fastening, etc.

To get you started, I found
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ha/fasteners.html with some
low-cost options...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:23:41 -0700, Greg Esres
wrote:

I want to fasten one square wood frame to another in a fashion that
can be easily removed. I'm thinking wing-nut sort of thing, but more
attractive. Only one side of the piece will be accessible while
attaching the frame.

Can someone offer a suggestion as to what to Google on?

Thanks

Knobs. But I have just a vague idea of your application.

Greg Esres wrote:
I want to fasten one square wood frame to another in a fashion that
can be easily removed. I'm thinking wing-nut sort of thing, but more
attractive. Only one side of the piece will be accessible while
attaching the frame.

Can someone offer a suggestion as to what to Google on?

Thanks

Wood screw.

HeyBub wrote:


Can someone offer a suggestion as to what to Google on?

Thanks

Wood screw.

That'll return more than a few interesting hits!

On Jun 5, 4:23 pm, Greg Esres wrote:

fasten one square wood frame to another

If you can inset the 3 x 5 glass-bearing frame into the other, would
BULLET fasteners work for you? I am thinking eight of them would allow
the two frames to maintain registry and absent freakish ind event
"togetherness" too. By cutting finger grooves on the inside of the
removable frame, you should be able to pull it out easily. Note, this
approach would also work well with the magnetic suggestions - those RE
guys are strong - bet four 1/2" guys would do it. If you fasten the
"keepers" they sell for them a bit loose, the fit can be a bit
"sloppy" (easier to move in and out) and still do the trick.

Note, insetting the 3 x 5 frame inot the other is key here. The
considerable weight of 15 square feet of 1/4 glass might defeat the
magnets alone. Butthe ability of the existing frame bottom to bear the
weight would allow them to hold the thing flush to the inside frame.

If I should have read lore before responding to discover [more details
about] your application, forgive me.

I want to fasten one square wood frame to another in a fashion that
can be easily removed. I'm thinking wing-nut sort of thing, but more
attractive. Only one side of the piece will be accessible while
attaching the frame.

Can someone offer a suggestion as to what to Google on?

Thanks