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From: "Steve"
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:38 PM
Subject: If this is global warming...

[Snip of Steve's opinions]

Steve,

Maybe these references will help you get up to speed on global warming.

http://peakoildesign.com/blog/peaken...myths_and_lies
See #5.
Also:
"Every now and again, the myth that "we shouldn't believe global warming
predictions now, because in the 1970's they were predicting an ice age
and/or cooling" surfaces. Recently, George Will mentioned it in his column
and the egregious Crichton manages to say "in the 1970's all the climate
scientists believed an ice age was coming" (see Michael Crichton's State of
Confusion ). You can find it in various other places too. But its not an
argument used by respectable and knowledgeable skeptics, because it crumbles
under analysis. That doesn't stop it repeatedly cropping up in *newsgroups*
though.
I should clarify that I'm talking about predictions in the scientific press.
There were some regrettable things published in the popular press (e.g.
Newsweek; though National Geographic did better). But we're only responsible
for the scientific press. If you want to look at an analysis of various
papers that mention the subject, then try
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/."

Show me a scientist who says that there is global warming and I'll
show you a hundred more who say that there are only global cycles and
a very dynamic planet that is constantly changing.

Okay. I'll take you up on that. Show me the hundred that agree with your
opinion. Here are eight that say you are very wrong.
J Ren (China)
N Nicholls (Australia)
M Rusticucci (Argentina)
P Stott (UK)
U Lohmann (Switzerland)
R Stouffer (USA)
V Kattsov (Russia)
T Matsuno (Japan)

-Doug

Okay. I'll take you up on that. Show me the hundred that agree with your
opinion. Here are eight that say you are very wrong.
J Ren (China)
N Nicholls (Australia)
M Rusticucci (Argentina)
P Stott (UK)
U Lohmann (Switzerland)
R Stouffer (USA)
V Kattsov (Russia)
T Matsuno (Japan)

-Doug


No, I'm not going to post 800 references, but I will ask you a very
logical question for you to ponder that was originally posted by Phil
Brennan.

We are being bombarded with horror stories about how the arctic
regions are warming and the polar bears are disappearing (actually
their numbers have increased by some 20,000) but we are not informed
by Mr. Gore and his acolytes as to how a warming arctic region can
continue to send more and more record breaking cold waves southward,
creating the incredibly frigid weather much of the northern U.S. is
shivering under.

If your refrigerator is running low on freon it will not keep its
contents cold. If the arctic is our refrigerator, and the refrigerator
is rapidly running out of coolant, how can it create colder and colder
weather fronts?

Steve wrote:
Okay. I'll take you up on that. Show me the hundred that agree with your
opinion. Here are eight that say you are very wrong.
J Ren (China)
N Nicholls (Australia)
M Rusticucci (Argentina)
P Stott (UK)
U Lohmann (Switzerland)
R Stouffer (USA)
V Kattsov (Russia)
T Matsuno (Japan)

-Doug


No, I'm not going to post 800 references, but I will ask you a very
logical question for you to ponder that was originally posted by Phil
Brennan.

We are being bombarded with horror stories about how the arctic
regions are warming and the polar bears are disappearing (actually
their numbers have increased by some 20,000) but we are not informed
by Mr. Gore and his acolytes as to how a warming arctic region can
continue to send more and more record breaking cold waves southward,
creating the incredibly frigid weather much of the northern U.S. is
shivering under.

Please acquaint yourself with the difference between weather and
climate. Global warming ain't about weather.


If your refrigerator is running low on freon it will not keep its
contents cold. If the arctic is our refrigerator, and the refrigerator
is rapidly running out of coolant, how can it create colder and colder
weather fronts?

The Arctic is not a refrigerator-- it is an effect and not a cause of
climate. It is now mostly free of ice, as you admit, the result of
global warming. Which, BTW, is the subject of a meeting of 600
scientists at the present. You made the unsubstantiated claim that you
could provide the names of 100 scientists who believe that global
warming is cyclical for every one who believes that is is man-made.
You owe us 6,800 names.

I'll give you the name of one (most definitely) non-scientist who
believes that it is man-made: George W. Bush. Or is Charlton Heston
still your president?

Bob

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:06:01 -0600, Bob Schmall
wrote:


Please acquaint yourself with the difference between weather and
climate. Global warming ain't about weather.

And I guess abdominal pain isn't associated with appendicitis, yeah
right Skippy.

The Arctic is not a refrigerator-- it is an effect and not a cause of
climate. It is now mostly free of ice, as you admit, the result of
global warming.


Quite frankly, I never wrote that the arctic is mostly free of ice.
Quite the contrary, on his Web site, Bob Felix cites facts ignored or
lied about by the global warming alarmists. He shows that despite
their claims that the worlds glaciers are melting, fully 75 percent
are actually growing.

In response to claims that oceans levels are rising and threatening to
drown New York City, he shows they are actually falling.

And once again, yes Skippy, the arctic is a refrigerator.

I'll give you the name of one (most definitely) non-scientist who
believes that it is man-made: George W. Bush. Or is Charlton Heston
still your president?

Don't know what you're babbling about there Skippy.

On Feb 15, 2:57 am, Steve wrote:

...

No, I'm not going to post 800 references, but I will ask you a very
logical question for you to ponder that was originally posted by Phil
Brennan.

We are being bombarded with horror stories about how the arctic
regions are warming and the polar bears are disappearing (actually
their numbers have increased by some 20,000) but we are not informed
by Mr. Gore and his acolytes as to how a warming arctic region can
continue to send more and more record breaking cold waves southward,
creating the incredibly frigid weather much of the northern U.S. is
shivering under.

As the Polar ice cap recedes more open water is exposed.
Open water is much more effective at cooling the air passing
over it than is ice.


If your refrigerator is running low on freon it will not keep its
contents cold. If the arctic is our refrigerator, and the refrigerator
is rapidly running out of coolant, how can it create colder and colder
weather fronts?

Are you claiming a downward trend in global temperature?

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FF