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Lye in S.E. America?
Preferably in SW FLA or SW North Carolina.
A source for plain ole Lye. If you know of one, pls advise if you know of a source. |
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In article 0SYgh.6152$hy6.3288@trnddc05, "resrfglc" wrote:
Preferably in SW FLA or SW North Carolina. A source for plain ole Lye. If you know of one, pls advise if you know of a source. Any hardware store should have it -- Ace, TruValue, Do-It-Best, etc. I'm pretty sure I've seen it at Home Depot or Lowe's, too, but can't swear to it. Lots of grocery stores around here (Indianapolis) sell it, too. Ask for Red Devil lye. It's the most common brand. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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"Doug Miller" wrote in message . .. In article 0SYgh.6152$hy6.3288@trnddc05, "resrfglc" wrote: Preferably in SW FLA or SW North Carolina. A source for plain ole Lye. If you know of one, pls advise if you know of a source. Any hardware store should have it -- Ace, TruValue, Do-It-Best, etc. I'm pretty sure I've seen it at Home Depot or Lowe's, too, but can't swear to it. Lots of grocery stores around here (Indianapolis) sell it, too. A couple years ago I couldn't find it anywhere. I finally bought some drain cleaner that had lye as the only active ingredient. Didn't like what it did to cherry. |
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Toller wrote: "Doug Miller" wrote in message . .. In article 0SYgh.6152$hy6.3288@trnddc05, "resrfglc" wrote: Preferably in SW FLA or SW North Carolina. A source for plain ole Lye. If you know of one, pls advise if you know of a source. Any hardware store should have it -- Ace, TruValue, Do-It-Best, etc. I'm pretty sure I've seen it at Home Depot or Lowe's, too, but can't swear to it. Lots of grocery stores around here (Indianapolis) sell it, too. A couple years ago I couldn't find it anywhere. I finally bought some drain cleaner that had lye as the only active ingredient. Didn't like what it did to cherry. Was it white? If not it had a dye in it. Not an active ingredient when cleaning drains perhaps. Draino also has aluminum flakes in it, which is an active ingredient, a very active one and should be labeled as such. -- FF |
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Lye, AKA: Caustic or sodium hydroxide. May not be available to the general retail public, but a very common industrial chemical. Lew |
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Did a Google search on Red Devil Lye. First place I went to had it.
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message .net... Subject Lye, AKA: Caustic or sodium hydroxide. May not be available to the general retail public, but a very common industrial chemical. Lew |
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Not interested in it for WOOD, but for electrolytic'ly removing rust -
didn't mention the intended use to try and keep everyone on topic. I've looked in ACE and HOME DEPOT and LOWES for Red Devil (as I, too, rememberthat brand and wish I could find it.) without success. Thanks for the feedback "Toller" wrote in message ... "Doug Miller" wrote in message . .. In article 0SYgh.6152$hy6.3288@trnddc05, "resrfglc" wrote: Preferably in SW FLA or SW North Carolina. A source for plain ole Lye. If you know of one, pls advise if you know of a source. Any hardware store should have it -- Ace, TruValue, Do-It-Best, etc. I'm pretty sure I've seen it at Home Depot or Lowe's, too, but can't swear to it. Lots of grocery stores around here (Indianapolis) sell it, too. A couple years ago I couldn't find it anywhere. I finally bought some drain cleaner that had lye as the only active ingredient. Didn't like what it did to cherry. |
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resrfglc wrote:
Not interested in it for WOOD, but for electrolytic'ly removing rust - didn't mention the intended use to try and keep everyone on topic. I've looked in ACE and HOME DEPOT and LOWES for Red Devil (as I, too, rememberthat brand and wish I could find it.) without success. It appears Red Devil Lye was discontinued about a year ago. Here's a link to an article by a soap makers suggesting sources for lye: http://candleandsoap.about.com/od/co...lyesources.htm -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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In article Dv%gh.696$od6.582@trnddc04, "resrfglc" wrote:
Not interested in it for WOOD, but for electrolytic'ly removing rust - Washing soda works well for that purpose, too, and isn't anywhere nearly as hazardous. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Subject Lye, AKA: Caustic or sodium hydroxide. May not be available to the general retail public, but a very common industrial chemical. Lew Oh for Pete's sake. This comes up all the time. Lye is commonly available in grocery stores and many other types of stores. |
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George E. Cawthon wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject Lye, AKA: Caustic or sodium hydroxide. May not be available to the general retail public, but a very common industrial chemical. Lew Oh for Pete's sake. This comes up all the time. Lye is commonly available in grocery stores and many other types of stores. Things change. From "Wikipedia" regarding lye uses" "Illegal drugs Because it is a key ingredient in the process of making Methamphetamine, it is now impossible to purchase pure Sodium hydroxide as a consumer product in the United States. Products containing pure Sodium hydroxide, such as Red Devil, are no longer available for sale. As a result, amateur soapmakers must now purchase Sodium hydroxide in bulk." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_...#Illegal_drugs -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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In article , "George E. Cawthon" wrote:
wrote: Was it white? If not it had a dye in it. Not an active ingredient when cleaning drains perhaps. Draino also has aluminum flakes in it, which is an active ingredient, a very active one and should be labeled as such. Actually, lye IS an active ingredient. He said the *dye* is not an active ingredient... -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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THANK YOU lots of sources mentioned:
Where to Buy Lye From David Fisher, Your Guide to Candle and Soap Making. FREE Newsletter. Sign Up Now! No Lye = No Soap (Note: Upated list of lye vendors below) Well, it's been over a year now now, and we're still making soap. There was worry when Red Devil Lye was taken from the shelves...but a number of online and local vendors have taken up the slack to make up for Red Devil Lye being pulled from the supermarkets. Here are stores, sites and solutions that many soap makers have come up with: a.. Get together with other soap makers in your area and "go in" on buying a bag of lye, carefully splitting it between you. Lots of soap makers buy their lye in bulk. Most large cities have a solvent or chemical company that will sell lye (Sodium Hydroxide) in 35 or 50 lb. bags. You'll pay a fraction (per pound) of what the Red Devil cost, but, you've got to be able to safely store that much lye. Remember the cautions you go through with a 12 oz. jar of lye, now imagine 35 lbs. of it! b.. Buy a whole bag yourself, knowing that it needs to be stored in an airtight container, safely away from children, pets or other unknowing people. c.. Check your local hardware store - Several people have written me claiming to have found Crystal Drain Opener at their local Lowe's, Home Depot or Wal-Mart. The label states 100% sodium hydroxide! BUT, it's best to check the manufacturers site and check the MSDS sheets for the product. I had one user write me and say that while the label said 100% lye, the MSDS sheet said otherwise. d.. Buy lye from one of the following online mail order vendors: a.. b.. Camden-GreyBitter Creek Candle Co.-buy only 2 lbs! c.. Texas Natural Supply d.. Lehman's Soapmaking Supplies e.. The Boyer Corporation f.. Snowdrift Farm g.. The Soap Dish h.. ChemistryStore.com "Nova" wrote in message news:Eh0hh.633$Ei5.183@trndny05... resrfglc wrote: Not interested in it for WOOD, but for electrolytic'ly removing rust - didn't mention the intended use to try and keep everyone on topic. I've looked in ACE and HOME DEPOT and LOWES for Red Devil (as I, too, rememberthat brand and wish I could find it.) without success. It appears Red Devil Lye was discontinued about a year ago. Here's a link to an article by a soap makers suggesting sources for lye: http://candleandsoap.about.com/od/co...lyesources.htm -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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"Lye is commonly available in grocery stores "
No so in my area. Red Devil is no longer carried by the stores here. Lord knows, I've tried and called 'round. However, FYI, I did find an approach that relies upon Arm & Hammer Baking Soda or Laundry Soda in lieu of the "Lye" [Sodium Hydroxide] to derust items. Subsequent posts explain why it has been "pulled from the shelves." "George E. Cawthon" wrote in message ... Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject Lye, AKA: Caustic or sodium hydroxide. May not be available to the general retail public, but a very common industrial chemical. Lew Oh for Pete's sake. This comes up all the time. Lye is commonly available in grocery stores and many other types of stores. |
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George E. Cawthon wrote:
snip Lye acting on the aluminum creates heat and bubbles, increasing the possibility of moving mass obstructions. Lye plus aluminum plus water creates hydrogen. When I was a curious lad, I used to place a tablespoon of Drano brand lye in an old soda pop bottle along with some water and then stick in strips of aluminum foil and place a balloon over the mouth of the bottle and the balloon would fill up with hydrogen. If you add too much lye, it will generate enough heat to crack the bottle, so be very careful and start with small amounts. |
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Nova wrote:
George E. Cawthon wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject Lye, AKA: Caustic or sodium hydroxide. May not be available to the general retail public, but a very common industrial chemical. Lew Oh for Pete's sake. This comes up all the time. Lye is commonly available in grocery stores and many other types of stores. Things change. From "Wikipedia" regarding lye uses" "Illegal drugs Because it is a key ingredient in the process of making Methamphetamine, it is now impossible to purchase pure Sodium hydroxide as a consumer product in the United States. Products containing pure Sodium hydroxide, such as Red Devil, are no longer available for sale. As a result, amateur soapmakers must now purchase Sodium hydroxide in bulk." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_...#Illegal_drugs Bull! the Wikipedia article (if you quoted accurately) isn't true. You should know that individuals write Wikipedia and you have to be rather skeptical of the articles. For example, look above at the poorly written part that you quote, "Products containing pure Sodium hydroxide...." That statement is very strange in addition to the capitalized sodium. "Products containing" sounds like you have pure sodium hydroxide mixed with other things which would make the sodium hydroxide impure. In any case, oven cleaners (which are NaOH with a propellant) are still widely available, as well as dry NaOH in pound quantities, in the PNW. That makes the Wikipedia article untrue. |
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In article , "George E. Cawthon" wrote: wrote: Was it white? If not it had a dye in it. Not an active ingredient when cleaning drains perhaps. Draino also has aluminum flakes in it, which is an active ingredient, a very active one and should be labeled as such. Actually, lye IS an active ingredient. He said the *dye* is not an active ingredient... No he didn't. It was not clear what the "not an active ingredient" referred to. You inferred one way, I inferred a different way. |
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Not sure when my latest purchase of lye was, but
it was less than 1 year ago. Just for the hell of it I will check in a few stores tomorrow. resrfglc wrote: "Lye is commonly available in grocery stores " No so in my area. Red Devil is no longer carried by the stores here. Lord knows, I've tried and called 'round. However, FYI, I did find an approach that relies upon Arm & Hammer Baking Soda or Laundry Soda in lieu of the "Lye" [Sodium Hydroxide] to derust items. Subsequent posts explain why it has been "pulled from the shelves." "George E. Cawthon" wrote in message ... Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject Lye, AKA: Caustic or sodium hydroxide. May not be available to the general retail public, but a very common industrial chemical. Lew Oh for Pete's sake. This comes up all the time. Lye is commonly available in grocery stores and many other types of stores. |
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Nova wrote: Things change. From "Wikipedia" regarding lye uses" "Illegal drugs snip Bull! the Wikipedia article (if you quoted accurately) isn't true. Here's a link to a soap makers supply that sells lye. Read their statement on compliance with state/local laws. Note the Indiana "MethWatch" symbol near the bottom of the page. http://www.thesoapdish.com/caustics.htm Other "MethWatch" states include: Georgia Indiana Iowa Maine Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Montana New Mexico North Carolina Oregon Pennsylvania South Carolina Tennessee Texas Virginia Washington Wyoming Federal legislation is being called for. -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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George E. Cawthon wrote: Doug Miller wrote: In article , "George E. Cawthon" wrote: wrote: Was it white? If not it had a dye in it. Not an active ingredient when cleaning drains perhaps. Draino also has aluminum flakes in it, which is an active ingredient, a very active one and should be labeled as such. Actually, lye IS an active ingredient. He said the *dye* is not an active ingredient... No he didn't. It was not clear what the "not an active ingredient" referred to. You inferred one way, I inferred a different way. I only mentioned two ingredients, dye and aluminum flakes. That just goes to show how easy it is to miscommunicate. -- FF |
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In article XZmhh.3028$386.405@trndny01, Nova wrote:
Here's a link to a soap makers supply that sells lye. Read their statement on compliance with state/local laws. Note the Indiana "MethWatch" symbol near the bottom of the page. http://www.thesoapdish.com/caustics.htm I live in Indianapolis -- I'll check tomorrow at the store where I bought Red Devil the last time I wanted some and see if they still have it. And I'll let you know. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:22:17 +0000, George E. Cawthon wrote:
Nova wrote: George E. Cawthon wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject Lye, AKA: Caustic or sodium hydroxide. May not be available to the general retail public, but a very common industrial chemical. Lew Oh for Pete's sake. This comes up all the time. Lye is commonly available in grocery stores and many other types of stores. Things change. From "Wikipedia" regarding lye uses" "Illegal drugs Because it is a key ingredient in the process of making Methamphetamine, it is now impossible to purchase pure Sodium hydroxide as a consumer product in the United States. Products containing pure Sodium hydroxide, such as Red Devil, are no longer available for sale. As a result, amateur soapmakers must now purchase Sodium hydroxide in bulk." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_...#Illegal_drugs Bull! the Wikipedia article (if you quoted accurately) isn't true. You should know that individuals write Wikipedia and you have to be rather skeptical of the articles. For example, look above at the poorly written part that you quote, "Products containing pure Sodium hydroxide...." That statement is very strange in addition to the capitalized sodium. "Products containing" sounds like you have pure sodium hydroxide mixed with other things which would make the sodium hydroxide impure. In any case, oven cleaners (which are NaOH with a propellant) are still widely available, as well as dry NaOH in pound quantities, in the PNW. That makes the Wikipedia article untrue. The manufacturer's product page is http://www.reckittprofessional.com/productpro/ProductSearch.do?brandId=11&searchType=BPL&templat e=1. There is a "where to buy" link off of that but I'm not clear if it is for that product specifically or for all products from the manufacturer. On the other hand it would not surprise me if some coalition of blue-haired ladies had a tantrum and persuaded the stores to stop selling it. FWIW, Fisher and Sargent-Welch both list various grades of sodium hydroxide pellets, however I have no idea what restrictions they place on ordering. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Lye acting on the aluminum creates heat and bubbles ....
For what it's worth, when lye reacts with aluminum it generates hydrogen. |
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THANKS FOR THAT - THE WHERE TO BUY LINK WORKS NICELY, albeit sources are few
and far between! "J. Clarke" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:22:17 +0000, George E. Cawthon wrote: Nova wrote: George E. Cawthon wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject Lye, AKA: Caustic or sodium hydroxide. May not be available to the general retail public, but a very common industrial chemical. Lew Oh for Pete's sake. This comes up all the time. Lye is commonly available in grocery stores and many other types of stores. Things change. From "Wikipedia" regarding lye uses" "Illegal drugs Because it is a key ingredient in the process of making Methamphetamine, it is now impossible to purchase pure Sodium hydroxide as a consumer product in the United States. Products containing pure Sodium hydroxide, such as Red Devil, are no longer available for sale. As a result, amateur soapmakers must now purchase Sodium hydroxide in bulk." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_...#Illegal_drugs Bull! the Wikipedia article (if you quoted accurately) isn't true. You should know that individuals write Wikipedia and you have to be rather skeptical of the articles. For example, look above at the poorly written part that you quote, "Products containing pure Sodium hydroxide...." That statement is very strange in addition to the capitalized sodium. "Products containing" sounds like you have pure sodium hydroxide mixed with other things which would make the sodium hydroxide impure. In any case, oven cleaners (which are NaOH with a propellant) are still widely available, as well as dry NaOH in pound quantities, in the PNW. That makes the Wikipedia article untrue. The manufacturer's product page is http://www.reckittprofessional.com/productpro/ProductSearch.do?brandId=11&searchType=BPL&templat e=1. There is a "where to buy" link off of that but I'm not clear if it is for that product specifically or for all products from the manufacturer. On the other hand it would not surprise me if some coalition of blue-haired ladies had a tantrum and persuaded the stores to stop selling it. FWIW, Fisher and Sargent-Welch both list various grades of sodium hydroxide pellets, however I have no idea what restrictions they place on ordering. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Nova wrote:
George E. Cawthon wrote: Nova wrote: Things change. From "Wikipedia" regarding lye uses" "Illegal drugs snip Bull! the Wikipedia article (if you quoted accurately) isn't true. Here's a link to a soap makers supply that sells lye. Read their statement on compliance with state/local laws. Note the Indiana "MethWatch" symbol near the bottom of the page. http://www.thesoapdish.com/caustics.htm Other "MethWatch" states include: Georgia Indiana Iowa Maine Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Montana New Mexico North Carolina Oregon Pennsylvania South Carolina Tennessee Texas Virginia Washington Wyoming Federal legislation is being called for. Boy they really covered their ass! It appears that participation in the program is voluntary and they set their own limits and parameters. Control of the main substance is far more important and is currently being addressed in many or most states. Glad to see that Idaho is not on that list of MethWatch states. Federal and State officials indicate that most meth that comes into Idaho is manufactured in Mexico, not locally manufactured. So, focus on controlling something like NaOH would be rather unproductive. |
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George E. Cawthon wrote: ... Glad to see that Idaho is not on that list of MethWatch states. Federal and State officials indicate that most meth that comes into Idaho is manufactured in Mexico, not locally manufactured. So, focus on controlling something like NaOH would be rather unproductive. Thank God they don't make crystal Meth from wood! -- FF |
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