I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for the
doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I don't
really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty patient
through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I know that I
could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm wondering if I could
take just one step back and buy the rail and stile stock already made. If I
had that, I could get enough going here to cut it to the required lengths.
The local lumber place could cut my plywood panels to size, and I could do
the glue-ups and finishing. It's just that I'm not set up now to joint,
thickness plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything, but
does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

todd

HUH! you buy wood, you cut it to width.

"todd" wrote in message
...
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for
the doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I
don't really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty
patient through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I
know that I could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm
wondering if I could take just one step back and buy the rail and stile
stock already made. If I had that, I could get enough going here to cut
it to the required lengths. The local lumber place could cut my plywood
panels to size, and I could do the glue-ups and finishing. It's just that
I'm not set up now to joint, thickness plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything,
but does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

todd

"todd" wrote in message

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything,
but
does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

It's likely that the only solution for you is to find a friend or a
professional who will cut to order. The problem is having the proper width
of rail and stile stock as well as having the rails cut to proper length.
There's just too many dimensions that can vary for anybody to keep something
pre-cut in stock. It would involve just too many pieces of varying size to
be worthwhile.

"todd" wrote in message
...
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for
the doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I
don't really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty
patient through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I
know that I could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm
wondering if I could take just one step back and buy the rail and stile
stock already made. If I had that, I could get enough going here to cut
it to the required lengths. The local lumber place could cut my plywood
panels to size, and I could do the glue-ups and finishing. It's just that
I'm not set up now to joint, thickness plane, etc.


Not one of the molding patterns offered anywhere I'm looking, though there's
this gnawing thought that I've seen 'em somewhere. I flash to the color of
a Woodworkers' Warehouse catalog, but they're defunct. Guess you'll have
to reveal and set up one machine at a time and get 'em done. Pretty much
what some of us who work in close quarters have to do anyway. At the prices
quoted for other millwork, it's worth it.

Alternatively, try the local HS IA or adult education program, or perhaps a
JC might have some facilities. Before I collected some of the current gear,
I used to "rent" the use of a machine and helper for a half dozen - actually
five, since I got one after the job wrapped - containers of beverage. Now
I have the machines, I hire myself out.

"todd" wrote in message
...
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for
the doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I
don't really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty
patient through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I
know that I could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm
wondering if I could take just one step back and buy the rail and stile
stock already made. If I had that, I could get enough going here to cut
it to the required lengths. The local lumber place could cut my plywood
panels to size, and I could do the glue-ups and finishing. It's just that
I'm not set up now to joint, thickness plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything,
but does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

todd

After have done literally hundreds of drawer kitchen drawer fronts and
cabinet doors, may I offer some advice or at least some assumptions from my
observations.

1. I avoid making rail and stile drawer fronts unless they are tall. A
solid piece of wood looks just fine and gives you a large flat area to
attach a drawer pull. If your drawer fronts have recessed panels you end
up with drawer pulls partially below the surface of the drawer front.

2. For me I only takes about 4 hours start to finish to cut the rails and
stiles and to mill them for a whole kitchen. The real time is invested in
door glue up, sanding, and finishing. I will not be saving much time by
buying rail and stile stock already made and that is likely to be expensive.
Remember also that if you want to buy rail and stock and cut it top length
yourself that you will still have to mill the ends of the stock and you will
have to exactly match the profile of the stiles.

3. I seldom joint or thickness plane my rails and stiles either. Simply
buy S2SE1 lumber and you are good to go if you have a decent TS. The S2SE1
lumber is uniform thickness and one edge has been ripped straight to start
with.

"Leon" wrote in message

3. I seldom joint or thickness plane my rails and stiles either. Simply
buy S2SE1 lumber and you are good to go if you have a decent TS. The
S2SE1
lumber is uniform thickness and one edge has been ripped straight to start
with.

Tsk tsk! ... better specify that it be "jointed" or it will be completely
unusable, doncha know?



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GO BUY THE DOORS...(get them to spray the finish)

todd wrote:

I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.

by a rail and stile and panel cutter for your 3hp table router.
get wood, cut inside mold, cut rail and stile to lenght, cut end mold, cut
raised panel. assemble and glue. why is it so hard. Alternatively buy
the doors from cabinet door provider.

"todd" wrote in message
...
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for
the doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I
don't really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty
patient through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I
know that I could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm
wondering if I could take just one step back and buy the rail and stile
stock already made. If I had that, I could get enough going here to cut
it to the required lengths. The local lumber place could cut my plywood
panels to size, and I could do the glue-ups and finishing. It's just that
I'm not set up now to joint, thickness plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything,
but does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

todd

"trs80" wrote in message
...
by a rail and stile and panel cutter for your 3hp table router.
get wood, cut inside mold, cut rail and stile to lenght, cut end mold,
cut raised panel. assemble and glue. why is it so hard. Alternatively
buy the doors from cabinet door provider.

If you cut the rail and stiles to length before cutting the inside mold you
save wear and tear on the stile cutter and have shorter and easier/shorter
pieces to work with when running through the stile cutter.

AND, ;~) if you run the end cut molds on the rails before the stile cuts
you can clean up the inside tear out when running the inside mold cuts.

On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 00:48:56 -0600, "todd" wrote:

I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for the
doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I don't
really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty patient
through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I know that I
could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm wondering if I could
take just one step back and buy the rail and stile stock already made. If I
had that, I could get enough going here to cut it to the required lengths.
The local lumber place could cut my plywood panels to size, and I could do
the glue-ups and finishing. It's just that I'm not set up now to joint,
thickness plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything, but
does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

todd

Take a look in the back of any Fine Woodworking Mag and you'll find
jobbers that cutom make drawers, doors, etc. Try a few of them and you
might get lucky and find one that needs some work and agree to cut
parts for you.

Where are you located Todd? I am in Wichita Kansas and have a source for
low cost red oak rails and stiles. However, unless you need widths that
match the already coped rails you can't re-cut the copes unless you can
exactly match the profile. I recently made 4 doors for a shop cabinet using
this material. I mitered the corners and then reinforced with a spline.
The material is 3/4" thick and 2 1/16 wide. The lengths vary but at least
some are as long as 28". If you are close to Kansas might be able to save
you a few $.
Earl Creel

"todd" wrote in message
...
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for
the doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I
don't really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty
patient through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I
know that I could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm
wondering if I could take just one step back and buy the rail and stile
stock already made. If I had that, I could get enough going here to cut
it to the required lengths. The local lumber place could cut my plywood
panels to size, and I could do the glue-ups and finishing. It's just that
I'm not set up now to joint, thickness plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything,
but does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

todd

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"todd" wrote in message
...
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for
the doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I
don't really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty
patient through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I
know that I could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm
wondering if I could take just one step back and buy the rail and stile
stock already made. If I had that, I could get enough going here to cut
it to the required lengths. The local lumber place could cut my plywood
panels to size, and I could do the glue-ups and finishing. It's just
that I'm not set up now to joint, thickness plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything,
but does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

todd

After have done literally hundreds of drawer kitchen drawer fronts and
cabinet doors, may I offer some advice or at least some assumptions from
my observations.

1. I avoid making rail and stile drawer fronts unless they are tall. A
solid piece of wood looks just fine and gives you a large flat area to
attach a drawer pull. If your drawer fronts have recessed panels you end
up with drawer pulls partially below the surface of the drawer front.

I have a number of cabinets in my office that were purchased several years
ago that use rail and stile drawer fronts. I'm very happy with the look.

2. For me I only takes about 4 hours start to finish to cut the rails and
stiles and to mill them for a whole kitchen. The real time is invested in
door glue up, sanding, and finishing. I will not be saving much time by
buying rail and stile stock already made and that is likely to be
expensive. Remember also that if you want to buy rail and stock and cut it
top length yourself that you will still have to mill the ends of the stock
and you will have to exactly match the profile of the stiles.

I don't recall saying that I was trying to save time. My problem at this
particular moment is that I don't have access to most of my machinery. I
could swing getting the SCMS and ROS and some clamps out, but getting the
table saw, planer, dust collector out right now would be problematic.

3. I seldom joint or thickness plane my rails and stiles either. Simply
buy S2SE1 lumber and you are good to go if you have a decent TS. The
S2SE1 lumber is uniform thickness and one edge has been ripped straight to
start with.

The local hardwood lumber place sells S2S that supposedly has a straight
edge. I seem to have two problems with that. First, individual boards
might be thicknessed consistently, but no two boards seem to be the same
thickness. Second, the straight edge isn't. I could probably buy the stock
and have them specifically plane all of it to the same thickness and joint
an edge. I could probably get the table saw going if I had to. However,
after having the local place do all the prep work, I was wondering if
someone could just take it the whole way and supply finished stock. It
appears that isn't available.

todd

I'm not against that, necessarily. Unfortunately, I can't have them finish
them as they need to be tinted to match the cabinets. If I order them, I
may pay to have them drill for the Euro hinges.

todd

"Pat Barber" wrote in message
...
Save yourself and your marriage...

GO BUY THE DOORS...(get them to spray the finish)

todd wrote:

I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.

Well, that's a good point. Even if available, the ends of the rails would
have to be coped to mate with the stiles. Looks like I either buy the
drawers and fronts or wait until I can make them myself.

todd

"Earl Creel" wrote in message
...
Where are you located Todd? I am in Wichita Kansas and have a source for
low cost red oak rails and stiles. However, unless you need widths that
match the already coped rails you can't re-cut the copes unless you can
exactly match the profile. I recently made 4 doors for a shop cabinet
using this material. I mitered the corners and then reinforced with a
spline. The material is 3/4" thick and 2 1/16 wide. The lengths vary but
at least some are as long as 28". If you are close to Kansas might be
able to save you a few $.
Earl Creel

"todd" wrote in message
...
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for
the doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I
don't really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty
patient through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I
know that I could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm
wondering if I could take just one step back and buy the rail and stile
stock already made. If I had that, I could get enough going here to cut
it to the required lengths. The local lumber place could cut my plywood
panels to size, and I could do the glue-ups and finishing. It's just
that I'm not set up now to joint, thickness plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything,
but does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

todd

"todd" wrote in message
...

1. I avoid making rail and stile drawer fronts unless they are tall. A
solid piece of wood looks just fine and gives you a large flat area to
attach a drawer pull. If your drawer fronts have recessed panels you
end up with drawer pulls partially below the surface of the drawer front.

I have a number of cabinets in my office that were purchased several years
ago that use rail and stile drawer fronts. I'm very happy with the look.

If you like the look and the drawers are big enough that should work fine
for you.



2. For me I only takes about 4 hours start to finish to cut the rails
and stiles and to mill them for a whole kitchen. The real time is
invested in door glue up, sanding, and finishing. I will not be saving
much time by buying rail and stile stock already made and that is likely
to be expensive. Remember also that if you want to buy rail and stock and
cut it top length yourself that you will still have to mill the ends of
the stock and you will have to exactly match the profile of the stiles.

I don't recall saying that I was trying to save time. My problem at this
particular moment is that I don't have access to most of my machinery. I
could swing getting the SCMS and ROS and some clamps out, but getting the
table saw, planer, dust collector out right now would be problematic.

Your comment, The missus, who has been pretty patient through this
process, would like something done by Christmas, sounded like running out of
time to me.


3. I seldom joint or thickness plane my rails and stiles either. Simply
buy S2SE1 lumber and you are good to go if you have a decent TS. The
S2SE1 lumber is uniform thickness and one edge has been ripped straight
to start with.

The local hardwood lumber place sells S2S that supposedly has a straight
edge. I seem to have two problems with that. First, individual boards
might be thicknessed consistently, but no two boards seem to be the same
thickness. Second, the straight edge isn't.

You have to look for S2SE1 not just S2S.


I could probably buy the stock
and have them specifically plane all of it to the same thickness and joint
an edge. I could probably get the table saw going if I had to. However,
after having the local place do all the prep work, I was wondering if
someone could just take it the whole way and supply finished stock. It
appears that isn't available.

If you did not need it before Christmas I would probably be able to supply
that service.

"todd" wrote in message
. ..
Well, that's a good point. Even if available, the ends of the rails would
have to be coped to mate with the stiles. Looks like I either buy the
drawers and fronts or wait until I can make them myself.


Pretty much, though the problem of tool access/timing may be something you
can work out with the spouse using that information. Especially if you have
at least one "non-standard" size door which would necessitate a custom job
and a custom price.

Even the source I recall offered a limited number of sizes, though IIRC, you
had a choice of three-four panel styles to go with.

whats the big deal? cut to width length. Use appropriate router rail and
stile and raised panel set on table router, glue and clamp. Couldnt be
easier.
"todd" wrote in message
. ..
Well, that's a good point. Even if available, the ends of the rails would
have to be coped to mate with the stiles. Looks like I either buy the
drawers and fronts or wait until I can make them myself.

todd

"Earl Creel" wrote in message
...
Where are you located Todd? I am in Wichita Kansas and have a source for
low cost red oak rails and stiles. However, unless you need widths that
match the already coped rails you can't re-cut the copes unless you can
exactly match the profile. I recently made 4 doors for a shop cabinet
using this material. I mitered the corners and then reinforced with a
spline. The material is 3/4" thick and 2 1/16 wide. The lengths vary but
at least some are as long as 28". If you are close to Kansas might be
able to save you a few $.
Earl Creel

"todd" wrote in message
...
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for
the doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I
don't really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty
patient through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I
know that I could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm
wondering if I could take just one step back and buy the rail and stile
stock already made. If I had that, I could get enough going here to cut
it to the required lengths. The local lumber place could cut my plywood
panels to size, and I could do the glue-ups and finishing. It's just
that I'm not set up now to joint, thickness plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything,
but does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

todd

trs80 wrote:
whats the big deal? cut to width length. Use appropriate router rail and
stile and raised panel set on table router, glue and clamp. Couldnt be
easier.

The issue is that the OP doesn't have access to his tools.

The reply suggested pre-made rail/stile stock, which means that you have
to live with the pre-made door dimensions since you can't redo the cope
cut unless you have the same cutters that were originally used.

Chris

I have seen drawer stock sold sep!



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you could use flat rectangular rail and stile and use a small moulding L} in
the corners to simulate raised panel, if getting there is a problem. Like a
quarter round with a profile. Sort of a roggee. I bought some in oak at
borg for fuse box panel approx. 3/8" x 1/2". I used 1" x 2" select pine,
painted white, straight cut ends for frame. Plywood center. Screwd in from
sides with Lg holes and round head screws. The moulding actually protrudes
from the face frame ~1/8".



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well that actually doesn't sim raised panel, but the insetedness at least



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" The moulding actually protrudes [toward us]
from the [face of the 1" x 2" door frame] ~1/8" [just where it meets, in
a roundover profile]
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Which is actually a PRO look. With my Arrow electric 5/8" brader and glue,
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todd wrote:

I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock for the
doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete, so I don't
really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been pretty patient
through this process, would like something done by Christmas. I know that I
could buy the doors and drawer fronts complete, but I'm wondering if I could
take just one step back and buy the rail and stile stock already made. If I
had that, I could get enough going here to cut it to the required lengths.
The local lumber place could cut my plywood panels to size, and I could do
the glue-ups and finishing. It's just that I'm not set up now to joint,
thickness plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up anything, but
does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile stock?

todd

Perhaps you can get a month rental of a storage unit with power, draft a
few friends and assemble a temp shop quickly to finish in the few weeks
you have.

Pete C.

I'm starting to wonder if English is your first language.

todd

"trs80" wrote in message
...
whats the big deal? cut to width length. Use appropriate router rail
and stile and raised panel set on table router, glue and clamp. Couldnt
be easier.
"todd" wrote in message
. ..
Well, that's a good point. Even if available, the ends of the rails
would have to be coped to mate with the stiles. Looks like I either buy
the drawers and fronts or wait until I can make them myself.

todd

"Earl Creel" wrote in message
...
Where are you located Todd? I am in Wichita Kansas and have a source
for low cost red oak rails and stiles. However, unless you need widths
that match the already coped rails you can't re-cut the copes unless you
can exactly match the profile. I recently made 4 doors for a shop
cabinet using this material. I mitered the corners and then reinforced
with a spline. The material is 3/4" thick and 2 1/16 wide. The lengths
vary but at least some are as long as 28". If you are close to Kansas
might be able to save you a few $.
Earl Creel

"todd" wrote in message
...
I'm in a bit of a pickle. I've had my base cabinets (or at least the
carcases) for the new kitchen finished and installed for a few months.
However, I haven't gotten around to milling the rail and stile stock
for the doors and drawer fronts. The new garshop isn't quite complete,
so I don't really have any place to mill it. The missus, who has been
pretty patient through this process, would like something done by
Christmas. I know that I could buy the doors and drawer fronts
complete, but I'm wondering if I could take just one step back and buy
the rail and stile stock already made. If I had that, I could get
enough going here to cut it to the required lengths. The local lumber
place could cut my plywood panels to size, and I could do the glue-ups
and finishing. It's just that I'm not set up now to joint, thickness
plane, etc.

This might be a longshot, since a Google search didn't turn up
anything, but does anyone know any place that sells rail and stile
stock?

todd