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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
I'm starting to design plans to build a mission style coffee table out
of qtr sawn white oak with flake. I'd like to capture as many design elements from the classic mission style era as possible. One of them is the characteristic spindles in the ends. I see two different styles: Square spindles: http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/NoF...-yahooshopping Slat spindles: http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/nof.../008644nf.html Is one more representative of true Stickley design? Are there any Stickly guidelines for slat width vs. spacing or just I just go with whatever my preferance is? I'd also like to get that classical mission style color that contrasts the "tiger" oak. Any suggestions on a stain (water, oil, or dye) that works particularly well for creating a mission style finish. I probably won't be able to fume it in ammonia. Here's a representative sample of the end finish I'd like to achive: http://www.hilestudio.com/prodpage/occtable/hs4472.html Any links pertaining to designing mission and building mission style style furniture would be very helpful. TIA |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
"henny" wrote in message ... I'm starting to design plans to build a mission style coffee table out of qtr sawn white oak with flake. I'd like to capture as many design elements from the classic mission style era as possible. One of them is the characteristic spindles in the ends. I see two different styles: Square spindles: http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/NoF...-yahooshopping Slat spindles: http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/nof.../008644nf.html Is one more representative of true Stickley design? Are there any Stickly guidelines for slat width vs. spacing or just I just go with whatever my preferance is? I'd also like to get that classical mission style color that contrasts the "tiger" oak. Any suggestions on a stain (water, oil, or dye) that works particularly well for creating a mission style finish. I probably won't be able to fume it in ammonia. Here's a representative sample of the end finish I'd like to achive: http://www.hilestudio.com/prodpage/occtable/hs4472.html Any links pertaining to designing mission and building mission style style furniture would be very helpful. How about looking at the real thing? http://www.stickley.com/gallery/resu...t1=88&view=all |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
On Nov 26, 1:06 pm, henny wrote: I'm starting to design plans to build a mission style coffee table out of qtr sawn white oak with flake. I see two different styles: Square spindles:http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/NoF...03266nf.html?s... Slat spindles:http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/nof.../008644nf.html This is more 'true' Stickley: http://tinyurl.com/y5gdod The smaller, square spindles. But, they also do the slats. The older the examples you find, the more you'll see square spindles. I think they look better. BUT... that's just me. What do YOU like? Good luck with the finish. I'm sure somebody here will be able to help you. I don't do oak anymore, cuz I no longer have to. Stickley looks soooo much better in cherry..oops..an opinion slipped out. sorry... r |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
"Robatoy" wrote in message ups.com... snip Good luck with the finish. I'm sure somebody here will be able to help you. I don't do oak anymore, cuz I no longer have to. Stickley looks soooo much better in cherry..oops..an opinion slipped out. sorry... r With a little Greene and Greene thrown in. :-) |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
On Nov 26, 8:20 pm, "Lowell Holmes" wrote: "Robatoy" wrote in oglegroups.com... snip Good luck with the finish. I'm sure somebody here will be able to help you. I don't do oak anymore, cuz I no longer have to. Stickley looks soooo much better in cherry..oops..an opinion slipped out. sorry... rWith a little Greene and Greene thrown in. :-) Speaking of which: After these, follow the bouncing ball... and find your way around all of the projects Greene & Greene ever built/designed. http://tinyurl.com/y3xy9q http://tinyurl.com/y4685g http://tinyurl.com/szp2v http://tinyurl.com/d6jcy btw.. they all zoom in real close. Thousands of pictures here. Just do the basic search and you'll find everything. A real database. r |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
I use analine dye, Behlens Solar-lux. Mix "Golden Oak," "Hickory," and
"Van Dyke Brown" dyes until you get the color you want, keeping in mind that you can darken it with multiple coats of dye (testing on cut-offs planed or sanded same as actual pieces) and then apply with a rag, recoating until the color is what I want. Finish with multiple coats of shellac (you can add dye to the shellac to make the color slightly different). You can also check out the mission-style ottoman David Marks did on diytv.com. He uses powdered analine dye. "henny" wrote in message ... I'm starting to design plans to build a mission style coffee table out of qtr sawn white oak with flake. I'd like to capture as many design elements from the classic mission style era as possible. One of them is the characteristic spindles in the ends. I see two different styles: Square spindles: http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/NoF...-yahooshopping Slat spindles: http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/nof.../008644nf.html Is one more representative of true Stickley design? Are there any Stickly guidelines for slat width vs. spacing or just I just go with whatever my preferance is? I'd also like to get that classical mission style color that contrasts the "tiger" oak. Any suggestions on a stain (water, oil, or dye) that works particularly well for creating a mission style finish. I probably won't be able to fume it in ammonia. Here's a representative sample of the end finish I'd like to achive: http://www.hilestudio.com/prodpage/occtable/hs4472.html Any links pertaining to designing mission and building mission style style furniture would be very helpful. TIA |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
I tell ya, I've been wrestling with qs white oak finishing for a good 3 years now.
Tried just about everything, dyes, stains, glazes, topcoats, etc. For starters, I don't trust pictures for correct color because the lighting will affect it. Take a look at the kitchen I'm building for swmbo, I have pics here with 3 different sources of light, and the panel looks different in each one (panel1, panel2, dishwasher2): http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...rk316/kitchen/ By the way, I have made a small qs oak coffe table a couple of years ago: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6zvlk/id10.html Anyway, for your project, try this: dye with lee valley fumed light oak aniline dye seal with garnet shellac stain with 1/3 asphaltum, 1/3 boiled linseed oil, 1/3 mineral spirits seal with garnet shellac topcoat of whatever, but it must be flat! Any sheen on the topcoat makes the oak look too 3-D and "busy". Just look at my coffee table which has too much sheen. The flakes are too crazy. HTH "henny" wrote in message ... I'm starting to design plans to build a mission style coffee table out of qtr sawn white oak with flake. I'd like to capture as many design elements from the classic mission style era as possible. One of them is the characteristic spindles in the ends. I see two different styles: Square spindles: http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/NoF...-yahooshopping Slat spindles: http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/nof.../008644nf.html Is one more representative of true Stickley design? Are there any Stickly guidelines for slat width vs. spacing or just I just go with whatever my preferance is? I'd also like to get that classical mission style color that contrasts the "tiger" oak. Any suggestions on a stain (water, oil, or dye) that works particularly well for creating a mission style finish. I probably won't be able to fume it in ammonia. Here's a representative sample of the end finish I'd like to achive: http://www.hilestudio.com/prodpage/occtable/hs4472.html Any links pertaining to designing mission and building mission style style furniture would be very helpful. TIA |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
I've used aniline dyes before and they tend to fade over time. It's
probably not an issue unless the table has objects on it most of the time. If it does then the area where the objects are will stay darker over time. When you remove the objects you'll end up with an inconsistent color. (ex: humidor on top of the table) I'd really like to fume the table using industrial ammonia. I know it's nasty stuff but I'd like to give it a try. Don't laugh but I'm thinking of using my pickup truck bed with canopy top as the fuming chamber once the table is done. Then I'll use linseed oil and probably a satin oil for the top for added protection. P.S. No, I don't plan to drive the truck while the fuming process is taking place!! Am I crazy or will this work?? Has anyone fumed white oak before?? Any tip or techniques?? I did read the Fine Woodworking article from isssue 126. Mark Howell wrote: I tell ya, I've been wrestling with qs white oak finishing for a good 3 years now. Tried just about everything, dyes, stains, glazes, topcoats, etc. For starters, I don't trust pictures for correct color because the lighting will affect it. Take a look at the kitchen I'm building for swmbo, I have pics here with 3 different sources of light, and the panel looks different in each one (panel1, panel2, dishwasher2): http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y16...rk316/kitchen/ By the way, I have made a small qs oak coffe table a couple of years ago: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze6zvlk/id10.html Anyway, for your project, try this: dye with lee valley fumed light oak aniline dye seal with garnet shellac stain with 1/3 asphaltum, 1/3 boiled linseed oil, 1/3 mineral spirits seal with garnet shellac topcoat of whatever, but it must be flat! Any sheen on the topcoat makes the oak look too 3-D and "busy". Just look at my coffee table which has too much sheen. The flakes are too crazy. HTH "henny" wrote in message ... I'm starting to design plans to build a mission style coffee table out of qtr sawn white oak with flake. I'd like to capture as many design elements from the classic mission style era as possible. One of them is the characteristic spindles in the ends. I see two different styles: Square spindles: http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/NoF...-yahooshopping Slat spindles: http://www.furnitureontheweb.com/nof.../008644nf.html Is one more representative of true Stickley design? Are there any Stickly guidelines for slat width vs. spacing or just I just go with whatever my preferance is? I'd also like to get that classical mission style color that contrasts the "tiger" oak. Any suggestions on a stain (water, oil, or dye) that works particularly well for creating a mission style finish. I probably won't be able to fume it in ammonia. Here's a representative sample of the end finish I'd like to achive: http://www.hilestudio.com/prodpage/occtable/hs4472.html Any links pertaining to designing mission and building mission style style furniture would be very helpful. TIA |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
Don't laugh but I'm thinking of using my pickup truck bed with canopy
top as the fuming chamber once the table is done. Then I'll use linseed oil and probably a satin oil for the top for added protection. that's kind of big, but it may work OK P.S. No, I don't plan to drive the truck while the fuming process is taking place!! Am I crazy or will this work?? Has anyone fumed white oak before?? Any tip or techniques?? I did read the Fine Woodworking article from isssue 126. I have successfully fumed with hosehold ammonia... the article's assertion that you need the industrial stuff is simply wrong. I can only assume that the author was just repeating an accepted "fact". Is industrial faster/better/different? maybe, but household ammonia does does work. DAGS... we've touched on this topic here before. Steve |
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Here's a link to an article with tons of useful info on Mission
finishes... http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/ht...ission_oak.htm |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
wrote in message ups.com... I've used aniline dyes before and they tend to fade over time. It's probably not an issue unless the table has objects on it most of the time. If it does then the area where the objects are will stay darker over time. When you remove the objects you'll end up with an inconsistent color. (ex: humidor on top of the table) I'd really like to fume the table using industrial ammonia. I know it's nasty stuff but I'd like to give it a try. It's not *that* nasty. I use 25% ammonia in my basement, with the windows open. With gloves, a respirator, and safety glasses. The real nasty stuff is anhydrous ammonia. Don't laugh but I'm thinking of using my pickup truck bed with canopy top as the fuming chamber once the table is done. Then I'll use linseed oil and probably a satin oil for the top for added protection. P.S. No, I don't plan to drive the truck while the fuming process is taking place!! Am I crazy or will this work?? Has anyone fumed white oak before?? Any tip or techniques?? I did read the Fine Woodworking article from isssue 126. A simple bag made of 3 mil plastic and some duct tape will suffice. |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
Thanks for all the replies.
I really like the thought of using household ammonia vs. trying to track down the 25% stuff. Can I assume that the 5% stuff will simply take 5X the time to fume. If so that's no big deal. The Fine Woodworking article showing fuming results for 0-36 hrs using the 25% stuff. I have no problem letting my project fume for a week or more if it'll work. TIA. This group is still one of the highlights of Usenet. Stephen M wrote: Don't laugh but I'm thinking of using my pickup truck bed with canopy top as the fuming chamber once the table is done. Then I'll use linseed oil and probably a satin oil for the top for added protection. that's kind of big, but it may work OK P.S. No, I don't plan to drive the truck while the fuming process is taking place!! Am I crazy or will this work?? Has anyone fumed white oak before?? Any tip or techniques?? I did read the Fine Woodworking article from isssue 126. I have successfully fumed with hosehold ammonia... the article's assertion that you need the industrial stuff is simply wrong. I can only assume that the author was just repeating an accepted "fact". Is industrial faster/better/different? maybe, but household ammonia does does work. DAGS... we've touched on this topic here before. Steve |
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Mission style coffee table - What would Gustav Stickley do??
I did a staircase of treads and 59 spindles. I left the parts in the tent
for 2..maybe 3 days. The tent was barely bigger than the stock (2 batches) .... about a cubic yard. My experience was that most of the color change appeared in the first 8 hours and then it tapered off from there. My casual experiments showed that more time resulted in deeper penetration. Compared to stain the (color change) penetration was impressive... about 1/8". That is, you would have to try really hard to sand through the color. One thing NOT to do: put the tent outside with an unpitched "roof". Condensation formed on the top of the tend and dripped onto a few pieces. It caused a bit of ugly staining. Good luck with that -Steve wrote in message oups.com... Thanks for all the replies. I really like the thought of using household ammonia vs. trying to track down the 25% stuff. Can I assume that the 5% stuff will simply take 5X the time to fume. If so that's no big deal. The Fine Woodworking article showing fuming results for 0-36 hrs using the 25% stuff. I have no problem letting my project fume for a week or more if it'll work. TIA. This group is still one of the highlights of Usenet. Stephen M wrote: Don't laugh but I'm thinking of using my pickup truck bed with canopy top as the fuming chamber once the table is done. Then I'll use linseed oil and probably a satin oil for the top for added protection. that's kind of big, but it may work OK P.S. No, I don't plan to drive the truck while the fuming process is taking place!! Am I crazy or will this work?? Has anyone fumed white oak before?? Any tip or techniques?? I did read the Fine Woodworking article from isssue 126. I have successfully fumed with hosehold ammonia... the article's assertion that you need the industrial stuff is simply wrong. I can only assume that the author was just repeating an accepted "fact". Is industrial faster/better/different? maybe, but household ammonia does does work. DAGS... we've touched on this topic here before. Steve |
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