Friend is removing his flooring but the underlayment he wanted to remove go
under the walls. So far all he could do is going around the rooms with a
circular saw leaving about 2" underlayment sticking out from all the walls.
Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?

# Fred # wrote:

Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?

Fein detail sander with carbide blade.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote in
link.net:

# Fred # wrote:

Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush
to the walls all around the house without burning itself up?

Fein detail sander with carbide blade.

Lew



Amen. And, when you're done, you'll have a tool you can use for strange
and common jobs for the next twenty plus years. Great tool. Not cheap.

Patriarch,
who used his for a bathroom remodel, tile trimming and PVC DWV pipe
surgery...

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:52:12 -0700, "# Fred #" wrote:

Friend is removing his flooring but the underlayment he wanted to remove go
under the walls. So far all he could do is going around the rooms with a
circular saw leaving about 2" underlayment sticking out from all the walls.
Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?


Does the underlayment actually go under the walls, or is it a baseboard?

My guess is that it's a baseboard and if so, it should be removed for both
taking the old underlayment out and installing the new floor??

Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

"# Fred #" wrote in message
. ..
Friend is removing his flooring but the underlayment he wanted to remove
go
under the walls. So far all he could do is going around the rooms with a
circular saw leaving about 2" underlayment sticking out from all the
walls.
Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?




Others have mentioned the Fein detail sander. IIRC it is now called the
Fein Multimaster. It can be used with flush cutting blades and it sands
also. I bought one for this exact type application.

# Fred # wrote:
Friend is removing his flooring but the underlayment he wanted to remove go
under the walls. So far all he could do is going around the rooms with a
circular saw leaving about 2" underlayment sticking out from all the walls.
Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?


the recommendation for the fein is not a bad one- the tool will be
useful to you for many things. for the application at hand it will be
slow, although it will produce a very nice result.

there are other options, however:

http://www.coastaltool.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/a/crain/795_toe_kick_saw.htm?L+coastest+gryt6327ff9c969c+1 156181818
http://tinyurl.com/k2tn9

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=51596-353-1640VS

http://www.theflushcut.biz/

You can use a toekick saw to cut it free. It's essentially a small
circular saw with a 2 3/4-inch-diameter carbide-tipped blade mounted on
an extended arbor. You won't find this saw at a home center... check
with a local tool rental yard or a company that supplies tools to the
flooring trade.


Tony
Home Page - http://www.cyberspace.org/~awh/
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# Fred # wrote:
Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?

# Fred # wrote:
Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?

Tony replied
You can use a toekick saw to cut it free. It's essentially a small
circular saw with a 2 3/4-inch-diameter carbide-tipped blade mounted on
an extended arbor. You won't find this saw at a home center... check
with a local tool rental yard or a company that supplies tools to the
flooring trade.

That's what I used. Much faster and easier than the Fein saw. The Fein is
a good tool but what a pain to do a whole room with one.

The rental is a good suggestion unless, like me your a tool junkie!

Dave



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"Patriarch" wrote in message
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Lew Hodgett wrote in
link.net:

# Fred # wrote:

Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush
to the walls all around the house without burning itself up?

Fein detail sander with carbide blade.

Lew



Amen. And, when you're done, you'll have a tool you can use for strange
and common jobs for the next twenty plus years. Great tool. Not cheap.

Patriarch,
who used his for a bathroom remodel, tile trimming and PVC DWV pipe
surgery...

I saw that on Amazon.com but looks like it would burn up before going around
the whole house plus it looks be slow too. Right? Also some mention the
replace blade cost an arm and a leg.

"mac davis" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:52:12 -0700, "# Fred #"
wrote:

Friend is removing his flooring but the underlayment he wanted to remove
go
under the walls. So far all he could do is going around the rooms with a
circular saw leaving about 2" underlayment sticking out from all the
walls.
Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?


Does the underlayment actually go under the walls, or is it a baseboard?

My guess is that it's a baseboard and if so, it should be removed for both
taking the old underlayment out and installing the new floor??

Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

Goes under walls, both inside and outside walls.

# Fred # wrote:

I saw that on Amazon.com but looks like it would burn up before
going around
the whole house plus it looks be slow too. Right? Also some mention
the
replace blade cost an arm and a leg.

Speed and price are relative, doubt you will wear out a carbide blade
or burn it out (the Germans have an attitude about building junk).

It is amazing the jobs you find for that little bugger.

Good luck.

Lew

You can use a toekick saw to cut it free. It's essentially a small
circular saw with a 2 3/4-inch-diameter carbide-tipped blade mounted on
an extended arbor.

I was thinking about of getting one of this. I heard one contractor got hurt
using it - no depth control and runs away if you don't have a firm grip on
it - and ended up in the emergency hospital. Is it that dangerous or
something you just get use to it? I have no problems operating chainsaws,
table or radial arm saws.

"# Fred #" wrote in message
. ..
You can use a toekick saw to cut it free. It's essentially a small
circular saw with a 2 3/4-inch-diameter carbide-tipped blade mounted on
an extended arbor.

I was thinking about of getting one of this. I heard one contractor got
hurt
using it - no depth control and runs away if you don't have a firm grip on
it - and ended up in the emergency hospital. Is it that dangerous or
something you just get use to it? I have no problems operating chainsaws,
table or radial arm saws.


Although I'm a big fan of the Fein (and it would be great for something
like this -- even for the whole house) another, safe possibility would
be to use one of those roto-zip abominations, with a 45-degree guide
and a longish bit. Set it up so it penetrates just the subfloor when
oriented
at the (guided) 45 degree angle, and zip away. When (not if) you run into a
nail, just change out the bit. Much cheaper than the fein blades. Of
course,
when you're done with the house, just throw the whole thing away.
It'll likely be toast, but if you find it at a yard sale or ebay, you won't
be
out much money.

"Chip"

# Fred # wrote:

I saw that on Amazon.com but looks like it would burn up before going around
the whole house plus it looks be slow too. Right?

No. That's why you buy it from Fein, not the cheap copy from
LuckyGoldenHedgehog

# Fred # wrote:
Friend is removing his flooring but the underlayment he wanted to remove go
under the walls. So far all he could do is going around the rooms with a
circular saw leaving about 2" underlayment sticking out from all the walls.
Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?

What about the Dremel with the little saw attachment and the flex
shaft?

-jtpr

Leon wrote:
"# Fred #" wrote in message
. ..
Friend is removing his flooring but the underlayment he wanted to remove
go
under the walls. So far all he could do is going around the rooms with a
circular saw leaving about 2" underlayment sticking out from all the
walls.
Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?




Others have mentioned the Fein detail sander. IIRC it is now called the
Fein Multimaster. It can be used with flush cutting blades and it sands
also. I bought one for this exact type application.

Hmm, Does Porter Cable have a saw attachment for theirs?

--

FF

"# Fred #" wrote in message
. ..

"Patriarch" wrote in message
. 136...
Lew Hodgett wrote in
link.net:

# Fred # wrote:

Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush
to the walls all around the house without burning itself up?

Fein detail sander with carbide blade.

Lew



Amen. And, when you're done, you'll have a tool you can use for strange
and common jobs for the next twenty plus years. Great tool. Not cheap.

Patriarch,
who used his for a bathroom remodel, tile trimming and PVC DWV pipe
surgery...

I saw that on Amazon.com but looks like it would burn up before going
around the whole house plus it looks be slow too. Right? Also some mention
the replace blade cost an arm and a leg.
It would take a long long time. But it would work.

jtpr wrote:
# Fred # wrote:
Friend is removing his flooring but the underlayment he wanted to remove go
under the walls. So far all he could do is going around the rooms with a
circular saw leaving about 2" underlayment sticking out from all the walls.
Is there a tool that could cut the 1/4" plywood underlayment flush to the
walls all around the house without burning itself up?

What about the Dremel with the little saw attachment and the flex
shaft?

-jtpr

A Dremel would die within a couple of hours. I burned up a brand new
XPS Dremel earlier this year cutting up laminate. I literally bought
it, burned it out, then returned it in a single day. I even used it
according to the manual.

I exchanged it for a new one, but now I don't use it for anything more
than cutting the heads of screws and the like. We had an older one
where I used to work, and it was nigh bulletproof.

doubt you will wear out a carbide blade
or burn it out (the Germans have an attitude about building junk).

I just finished laying about 1,500 sf of laminate flooring on one house and
on my second carbide blade on the sliding miter saw and also second carbide
blade on the table saw. So its about 2 to 3 carbide blades for one project.
(the old blade still works but it just chip the laminates) Over the past few
years I've warn out stacks of carbide blades and even manage to burn out my
Skil HD77. I'm on my second Skil - great saw.

Cutting underlayment is also cutting into staples and nails as part of the
process and I don't know if any carbide blades will take this kind of usage
for too long.