Gloat:

Was out rust hunting with my 5 year old yesterday, and found one of these:
http://www.astratool.com/machines/ph39.htm at a yard sale for 20 bucks.
Woohoo! Loading it into the back of my Camry proved to be an interesting
adventure, but it got home fine. The only casualty was the carpet in the
trunk - it's now loaded up with rusty machine oil.

Question:

What, exactly, to do with it? I've already got a drill press, and as yet, I
don't have a need for dedicated metalworking equipment. This machine is
clearly a metalworking tool; a brief google search shows them with tapping
heads installed on them and so forth. Does anyone out there have one of
these? Any insights into using one in a woodworking application? Or maybe
I should enjoy the ride down the slippery slope of metalworking equipment?

-Tim

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:58:32 GMT, "Tim and Steph" wrote:

Gloat:

Was out rust hunting with my 5 year old yesterday, and found one of these:
http://www.astratool.com/machines/ph39.htm at a yard sale for 20 bucks.
Woohoo! Loading it into the back of my Camry proved to be an interesting
adventure, but it got home fine. The only casualty was the carpet in the
trunk - it's now loaded up with rusty machine oil.
Don't worry - Camry's have little resale vaule anyway...

Question:

What, exactly, to do with it? I've already got a drill press, and as yet, I
don't have a need for dedicated metalworking equipment. This machine is
clearly a metalworking tool; a brief google search shows them with tapping
heads installed on them and so forth. Does anyone out there have one of
these? Any insights into using one in a woodworking application? Or maybe
I should enjoy the ride down the slippery slope of metalworking equipment?
Fine WW just ran an article on using metalworking presses for wood. It
recommends -among other ideas- to make a large working table. You
could set this new beast up with say a large drum sander and have a
very useful machine.

Good Luck

J

-Tim

"Tim and Steph" wrote in message
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Gloat:

Was out rust hunting with my 5 year old yesterday, and found one of these:
http://www.astratool.com/machines/ph39.htm at a yard sale for 20 bucks.
Woohoo! Loading it into the back of my Camry proved to be an interesting
adventure, but it got home fine. The only casualty was the carpet in the
trunk - it's now loaded up with rusty machine oil.


Twenty bucks???? Twenty bucks????

That is an outright theft!!

You suck big time!!


Question:

What, exactly, to do with it? I've already got a drill press, and as yet,
I don't have a need for dedicated metalworking equipment. This machine is
clearly a metalworking tool; a brief google search shows them with tapping
heads installed on them and so forth. Does anyone out there have one of
these? Any insights into using one in a woodworking application? Or
maybe I should enjoy the ride down the slippery slope of metalworking
equipment?


If all else fails, you could sell it to a metal worker for far more than
your initial twenty buck investment.

(Or start up a small metal working shop)

"Tim and Steph" wrote in message
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What, exactly, to do with it? I've already got a drill press, and as yet,
I
don't have a need for dedicated metalworking equipment. This machine is
clearly a metalworking tool; a brief google search shows them with tapping
heads installed on them and so forth. Does anyone out there have one of
these? Any insights into using one in a woodworking application? Or
maybe
I should enjoy the ride down the slippery slope of metalworking equipment?

This is a production tool where 6 different tools can be loaded at one time
so you can let's say center drill, tap drill, tap, counter boar, and counter
sink, and not have to change bits.

For a wood working application you might use this machine something like
this. Let's say you were making a bunch of drawers where you wanted to
attach a hardwood face to a plywood front. In the first position you could
have a fixed point that you could line up with your mark. The second
position might have a brad point bit that will drill your counter boar to a
depth for a wooden plug, then the third position could be loaded with a bit
that would drill a small diameter drill through the hardwood and into the
ply, and the last drill would drill a clearance hole through the hardwood.

Each turret position would have an independent depth stop so once you
positioned the two pieces of clamped wood in place you only needed to pull
the handle down, push it up, pull-push etc until all operations were done
and then you could move on the next hole. You could drill hundreds of
identical holes and never have to hunt down a chuck key or worry about
drilling to the wrong depth.

--

__
Roger Shoaf

Important factors in selecting a mate:
1] Depth of gene pool
2] Position on the food chain.

"Tim and Steph" wrote in message
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Gloat:

Was out rust hunting with my 5 year old yesterday, and found one of these:
http://www.astratool.com/machines/ph39.htm at a yard sale for 20 bucks.
Woohoo! Loading it into the back of my Camry proved to be an interesting
adventure, but it got home fine. The only casualty was the carpet in the
trunk - it's now loaded up with rusty machine oil.

Question:

What, exactly, to do with it? I've already got a drill press, and as yet,
I don't have a need for dedicated metalworking equipment. This machine is
clearly a metalworking tool; a brief google search shows them with tapping
heads installed on them and so forth. Does anyone out there have one of
these? Any insights into using one in a woodworking application? Or
maybe I should enjoy the ride down the slippery slope of metalworking
equipment?

-Tim


Like Roger said, its a turret head drill press. I would put it on eBay and
sell it, then buy the woodworking tool you've always wanted. Or just send
it to me and I'll send you double your money!

Dave



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It is a Burgmaster Model 0B Turret drill press. The drill
automatically advances to the next position by raising the quill as
high as it will go. If that works, you made a terriffic buy....... as
long as the gears are intact (VERY expensive to fix). I noticed that
the chucks are missing....... will be a little hard to find (other than
new) as the thread is odd ... 5/16X24. Jacobs makes it in special 1/4"
model 1B version. Don't run it w/o oil ....... lots of gears in that
case to advance the feed. Also, the speeds of the various positions
differ. The slowest would normally be where a small tapping head would
be mounted..... e.g., a #30 Tapmatic (they made a special version with
the 5/16x24 female thread just for this machine). As for use on
wood....... sure, how about drilling and counterboring w/o moving the
workpiece.

FYI, A fella on EBAY regularly sells the operating manual for this
drill press ..... you should get one.

Regards. Barry

Ignoramus28584 wrote:
I suggest to the OP to post your question to
rec.crafts.metalworking. It may be a drilling/tapping head on it. Very
valuable. You basically got a steal. Congrats.

I could consider exchanging your machine for my 1 HP 6x48 belt/12"
disc sander, if you are in Chicagoland.

i

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:04:48 -0700, Teamcasa wrote:

"Tim and Steph" wrote in message
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Gloat:

Was out rust hunting with my 5 year old yesterday, and found one of these:
http://www.astratool.com/machines/ph39.htm at a yard sale for 20 bucks.
Woohoo! Loading it into the back of my Camry proved to be an interesting
adventure, but it got home fine. The only casualty was the carpet in the
trunk - it's now loaded up with rusty machine oil.

Question:

What, exactly, to do with it? I've already got a drill press, and as yet,
I don't have a need for dedicated metalworking equipment. This machine is
clearly a metalworking tool; a brief google search shows them with tapping
heads installed on them and so forth. Does anyone out there have one of
these? Any insights into using one in a woodworking application? Or
maybe I should enjoy the ride down the slippery slope of metalworking
equipment?

-Tim


Like Roger said, its a turret head drill press. I would put it on eBay and
sell it, then buy the woodworking tool you've always wanted. Or just send
it to me and I'll send you double your money!

Dave



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Tim and Steph wrote:
Gloat:

Was out rust hunting with my 5 year old yesterday, and found one of these:
http://www.astratool.com/machines/ph39.htm at a yard sale for 20 bucks.
Woohoo!

JEEZ! How come all I ever find is used baby clothes, chipped dishes &
dog-eared Monopoly sets missing all the hotels?!?

I agree with the guy who said sell it to a metal worker, then buy
something you really want. See what they may be going for on EBay. And
before you say it's too heavy to ship, before I moved last year I sold
my Delta Unisaw and jointer (sniff... sniff... ) on Ebay & actually got
more than I PAID for them! Guy who bought the saw drove from Illinois
to Ohio to pick the damned thing up!

Dan

We've got one in the (metal) shop. Great machine for multi drilling
applications for a couple hundred parts or more. In a woodshop, it would
have very limited usefulness.

"Tim and Steph" wrote in message
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Gloat:

Was out rust hunting with my 5 year old yesterday, and found one of these:
http://www.astratool.com/machines/ph39.htm at a yard sale for 20 bucks.
Woohoo! Loading it into the back of my Camry proved to be an interesting
adventure, but it got home fine. The only casualty was the carpet in the
trunk - it's now loaded up with rusty machine oil.

Question:

What, exactly, to do with it? I've already got a drill press, and as yet,
I
don't have a need for dedicated metalworking equipment. This machine is
clearly a metalworking tool; a brief google search shows them with tapping
heads installed on them and so forth. Does anyone out there have one of
these? Any insights into using one in a woodworking application? Or
maybe
I should enjoy the ride down the slippery slope of metalworking equipment?

-Tim

Ever seen a small Harbor Freight benchtop drill press? The Burgmaster is
about that size capacity wise. Nothing large about it.

"Perfection In Wood @hotmail.com" perfectioninwoodnospam wrote in
message ...
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:58:32 GMT, "Tim and Steph" wrote:

Fine WW just ran an article on using metalworking presses for wood. It
recommends -among other ideas- to make a large working table. You
could set this new beast up with say a large drum sander and have a
very useful machine.

Good Luck

J

-Tim

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:32:40 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
wrote:

This is a production tool where 6 different tools can be loaded at one time
so you can let's say center drill, tap drill, tap, counter boar, and counter
sink, and not have to change bits.

For a wood working application you might use this machine something like
this. Let's say you were making a bunch of drawers where you wanted to
attach a hardwood face to a plywood front. In the first position you could
have a fixed point that you could line up with your mark. The second
position might have a brad point bit that will drill your counter boar to a
depth for a wooden plug, then the third position could be loaded with a bit
that would drill a small diameter drill through the hardwood and into the
ply, and the last drill would drill a clearance hole through the hardwood.

Each turret position would have an independent depth stop so once you
positioned the two pieces of clamped wood in place you only needed to pull
the handle down, push it up, pull-push etc until all operations were done
and then you could move on the next hole. You could drill hundreds of
identical holes and never have to hunt down a chuck key or worry about
drilling to the wrong depth.

European hinges come to mind as well- it would be pretty spiffy to
have a small bit and a forsner bit chucked in if you're making a
number of doors.

Would have to be a very small forstner bit or extremely soft wood. This is a
flee power machine.

"Prometheus" wrote in message
...

European hinges come to mind as well- it would be pretty spiffy to
have a small bit and a forsner bit chucked in if you're making a
number of doors.

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 02:11:21 GMT, "CW" wrote:

Would have to be a very small forstner bit or extremely soft wood. This is a
flee power machine.

Flee power? Musta been a typo. Anyhow, I've never seen one of these
things, but it looks like a big hunk of machinery- are they really
that big, and then underpowered?

"Prometheus" wrote in message
.. .

European hinges come to mind as well- it would be pretty spiffy to
have a small bit and a forsner bit chucked in if you're making a
number of doors.

You have to get yourself out of the woodworking machinery mode where they
put relatively big motors on weenie little machines. Metalworking equipment
is quite the opposite. Large, heavy castings for ridgity, not overpowered.
This thing is meant to take a quarter inch chuck. In metal working terms,
that means quarter inch drill, maximum. The Burgmasters are generally seen
drilling and tapping 10-32 holes, reaming eighth inch holes, ect. No, they
don't have much power. Quarter horse, possibly half but I doubt it. As for
weight, I picked one up and carried it across the shop about a year ago
(without stand). Figure maybe 160 pounds. Hefty little guy.

"Prometheus" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 02:11:21 GMT, "CW" wrote:

Would have to be a very small forstner bit or extremely soft wood. This
is a
flee power machine.

Flee power? Musta been a typo. Anyhow, I've never seen one of these
things, but it looks like a big hunk of machinery- are they really
that big, and then underpowered?

"Prometheus" wrote in message
.. .

European hinges come to mind as well- it would be pretty spiffy to
have a small bit and a forsner bit chucked in if you're making a
number of doors.

"CW" wrote in message
nk.net...
You have to get yourself out of the woodworking machinery mode where they
put relatively big motors on weenie little machines. Metalworking
equipment
is quite the opposite. Large, heavy castings for ridgity, not overpowered.
This thing is meant to take a quarter inch chuck. In metal working terms,
that means quarter inch drill, maximum. The Burgmasters are generally seen
drilling and tapping 10-32 holes, reaming eighth inch holes, ect. No, they
don't have much power. Quarter horse, possibly half but I doubt it. As for
weight, I picked one up and carried it across the shop about a year ago
(without stand). Figure maybe 160 pounds. Hefty little guy.

Yah, it's a third horse, and weighs at least 160, possibly more. Getting it
outta the trunk by myself was an adventure.