did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain? Beautiful wood turned
to ugly.

I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me

Gary

GeeDubb wrote:

did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain?

No idea. Didn't see it.

Beautiful wood turned to ugly.
I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me

One man's beauty is another man's ugly. Nothing more complicated than
that.

Joe Barta

He'd just finished painting his mahogany poker table mahogany-colored
and was on a roll.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:07:52 -0700, "GeeDubb"
wrote:

did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain? Beautiful wood turned
to ugly.

I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me

Gary


Yeah. Norm does that. Makes a wonderful project using a premium
wood, then stains the hell out of it (almost as bad a paint), sigh.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:43:39 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm,
Phisherman quickly quoth:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:07:52 -0700, "GeeDubb"
wrote:

did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain? Beautiful wood turned
to ugly.

I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me

Yeah. Norm does that. Makes a wonderful project using a premium
wood, then stains the hell out of it (almost as bad a paint), sigh.

He sands only to 150, stains the **** out of it (to bring out the
scratches?), nails things onto it, then swabs poly all over it.
Oy vay!

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Phisherman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:07:52 -0700, "GeeDubb"
wrote:


did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain? Beautiful wood turned
to ugly.

I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me

Gary



Yeah. Norm does that. Makes a wonderful project using a premium
wood, then stains the hell out of it (almost as bad a paint), sigh.

Never seen the show, but it gets right up my nose when blokes do that
sort of thing.
Worked for a furniture company once that specialised in making Jarrah
side boards and kitchens.
They used to make this real beaut piece out of sold Jarrah, then slap
Jarrah stain on it, "So as to even out the colour".
IMO they should have used merrantie or pine and whacked the Jarrah stain
on that. Leave the real stuff for blokes that appreciate real timber and
it's many colours and defects.

regards
John

Sun, Feb 12, 2006, 9:43pm (EST+5) (Phisherman) trieh to
assert:
snit (almost as bad a paint), sigh.

Uh huh, yeah, sure, right. And next thing you're probably gonna
tell us don't paint cherry.



JOAT
I'm busy now, can I ignore you some other time?

I was rather surprised to see that myself until I thought about it. This is
Norm usual. He doesn't seem to like the natural color of any wood. All his
stain jobs are very, very dark and for paint, green seems to be a favorite.
He did admit on one show that he was not known for good finishes. He said
that the piece he was making that day (I don't remember what it was) was
going to be finished different than the prototype. The crew all told him
that the prototype was so ugly, he needed to do something different for the
show. I've seen him apply a dark stain to cherry and paint teak green.

"GeeDubb" wrote in message
...
did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain? Beautiful wood
turned
to ugly.

I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me

Gary

He did admit on one show that he was not known for good finishes.

Maybe he's color-blind. Seriously. That would explain the unusual
paint schemes.

brian

"brianlanning" wrote in message
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He did admit on one show that he was not known for good finishes.

Maybe he's color-blind. Seriously. That would explain the unusual
paint schemes.

I have to use some proprietary software from time to time that is a
graphically intense program. And the guy who does all the graphics is color
blind. I have to spend hours changing the colors to something that doesn't
give me headaches.

Talk about putting the wrong guy on this particular task.

Lee Michaels wrote:
"brianlanning" wrote in message
ups.com...

He did admit on one show that he was not known for good finishes.

Maybe he's color-blind. Seriously. That would explain the unusual
paint schemes.


I have to use some proprietary software from time to time that is a
graphically intense program. And the guy who does all the graphics is color
blind. I have to spend hours changing the colors to something that doesn't
give me headaches.

Talk about putting the wrong guy on this particular task.




Had a mate who was describing the paint job he intended to do on house.
He was trying to give me an idea of the tone of red he was going to use
and after looking around the sitting room and finding nothing the colour
he had in mind, pointed out the window and said "There, that's the
colour, the same red as the door on your shed".

The door on my shed is GREEN, this bloke was a copper to.

regards
John

"GeeDubb" wrote in message
...
did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain? Beautiful wood
turned to ugly.

I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me

Gary

My guess is that it's because he's sponsored by Minwax.

Gary in Virginia

I kind of find it funny when I am at shows, and people ask me what
stains do I use.
" I don't stain anything, these are the natural colors of the woods."
"Oh, they are so beautiful"

I don't know where people get the idea that wood has to be stained to
look good.
robo hippy

There is intelligent life here, but I am only visiting. unknown

"robo hippy" wrote in message
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I don't know where people get the idea that wood has to be stained to
look good.
robo hippy

Because most people that stain, stain unfinished pine furniture.

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:33:43 +0000, Leon wrote:


"robo hippy" wrote in message
oups.com...

I don't know where people get the idea that wood has to be stained to
look good.
robo hippy

Because most people that stain, stain unfinished pine furniture.

Some truth in this. I know, I was one of them. Started out 25 years ago
buying home center pine and staining and varnishing everything. Now I use
hardwoods and haven't used stain for several years. Finishes of choice
are shellac, homemade wiping varnish, and sometimes oil.

Sometimes I like the way Norm finishes his projects. Most of the time I
don't. Since they are his projects and not mine I figure he can do what
he wants and I'll do what I want.

D.G. Adams

Leon wrote:

Because most people that stain, stain unfinished pine furniture.



What's really sad is that if you're buying unfinished pine furniture, it
looks heaps better down the road if it was simply clear coated then
stained. Or for that matter, milk painted.

I've seen old pine stuff take on a decent look because it was coated
with shellac or an oil varnish. Again, not appropriate for the
Vanderbilt's ballroom, but still displaying a comfy, warm, country charm.

OTOH, pine stained with Minwax Dark or Special Walnut just NEVER seems
to look good. G

Barry

"Gary in Virginia" wrote in message
link.net...

"GeeDubb" wrote in message
...
did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain? Beautiful wood
turned to ugly.

I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me

Gary

My guess is that it's because he's sponsored by Minwax.

Gary in Virginia

Who make all manner of clear finishes as well. Doubt it.

Norm's still got the carpenter mentality, I think, where he's knocking
things together out of #2 common SPF and trying to make it look good. Ever
try to match spruce to pine or white pine to red? Takes a heap of color and
glaze.

GeeDubb (in ) said:

| did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain? Beautiful
| wood turned to ugly.
|
| I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me

'Cause it was nicer than the avocado latex he had in the paint shed?

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"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
GeeDubb said:

| did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain? Beautiful
| wood turned to ugly.
|
| I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me

'Cause it was nicer than the avocado latex he had in the paint shed?

.... and it had five pounds of brads in it, so why not?

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"GeeDubb" wrote in message
...
did Norm stain black walnut with a dark walnut stain? Beautiful wood
turned to ugly.

I just don't understand, somebody 'spain it to me


Just take a look at Norm's entire body of work. He almost always smears
some black tar crap on what was a nice looking piece of furniture, although
I think that it may actually not be as dark in reality as it looks in the
finishing room on the show. I can't recall him ever leaving anything a
natural color.

Frank

"Frank Ketchum" wrote in message
news:rLRHf.14645
Just take a look at Norm's entire body of work. He almost always smears
some black tar crap on what was a nice looking piece of furniture,
although I think that it may actually not be as dark in reality as it
looks in the finishing room on the show. I can't recall him ever leaving
anything a natural color.

I'd have to check which ones but I recall projects finished with Danish oil
only.

Cheers!
Duke

While Norm is frequently used for target practice with most "almost
professionals", I am wondering since he is a paid employee of Morash if
he has a choice. Especially since he has said more than once that he
makes almost always make three of each piece; one to sell, one for the
show, and one for sale/show/Morash.

I guess the other thought would be... gawd forbid... maybe in his own
simple, pedestrian way, he likes it. I guess many here would stop
watching if they found out poor Norm actually had different tastes than
the "experts".

I watch eagerly for each of your shows to show how to finish
"correctly".

Robert

Grow up.

wrote in message
ups.com...
While Norm is frequently used for target practice with most "almost
professionals", I am wondering since he is a paid employee of Morash if
he has a choice. Especially since he has said more than once that he
makes almost always make three of each piece; one to sell, one for the
show, and one for sale/show/Morash.

I guess the other thought would be... gawd forbid... maybe in his own
simple, pedestrian way, he likes it. I guess many here would stop
watching if they found out poor Norm actually had different tastes than
the "experts".

I watch eagerly for each of your shows to show how to finish
"correctly".

Robert

I know Norm bashing is popular but in his defence staining is often
necessary in the real world. Customers often have expectations that
must be met. They may expect their new cherry table to look like 100
year old cherry that they see in antique furnitue and don't want to
wait for it to darken. If you want to make the sale you do what you
have to to try to give that look. If you are doing a one off showpiece
you can spend three years looking for a piece of wood with that perfect
figure. If you are making kitchen cabinets for moderate prices you may
have to "enhance" the appearance a little. Stains, glazes and even
topcoats change and enhance the appearance of wood. Oils, shellac and
even varnishes add color to the appearance. Ironically some of the much
ridiculed polyurethanes probably are the clearest, read least
colormodifying, coatings. You may be lucky and able to enjoy the
natural looks of woods. but even recreational woodworkers have
customers to deal with, specifically SWMBO, so learning the technique
probably isn't a bad idea. Now I won't defend Norms skills as a
finisher. If you want to be really good at it get a good book like Bob
Flexner's and spend your couch time productively.

On 13 Feb 2006 19:24:43 -0800, "ktc" wrote:

I know Norm bashing is popular but in his defence staining is often
necessary in the real world.

Not by cabinetmakers working at Norm's level, with timber of that
quality.

There are good reasons for staining. Nearly all are a combination of
either cheap timber or ignorant clients. If you're not constrained in
this way then there's no excuse for doing it as Norm does - taking
perfectly fine timber and ruining it.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On 13 Feb 2006 19:24:43 -0800, "ktc" wrote:

I know Norm bashing is popular but in his defence staining is often
necessary in the real world.

Not by cabinetmakers working at Norm's level, with timber of that
quality.

There are good reasons for staining. Nearly all are a combination of
either cheap timber or ignorant clients. If you're not constrained in
this way then there's no excuse for doing it as Norm does - taking
perfectly fine timber and ruining it.

I have made that point before.

Somebody got all upset wih me and said that Norm was just being
"historically accurate".

Which I thought was just stupid. Why take beautiful wood and cover it up?
If that is some kinda tradition, we don't need it. Wood has its own unique
beauty and it is a crime to cover it up. (Think we can get that legislation
passed?)

"Lee Michaels" writes:

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
.. .
On 13 Feb 2006 19:24:43 -0800, "ktc" wrote:

I know Norm bashing is popular but in his defence staining is often
necessary in the real world.

Not by cabinetmakers working at Norm's level, with timber of that
quality.

There are good reasons for staining. Nearly all are a combination of
either cheap timber or ignorant clients. If you're not constrained in
this way then there's no excuse for doing it as Norm does - taking
perfectly fine timber and ruining it.

I have made that point before.

Somebody got all upset wih me and said that Norm was just being
"historically accurate".

Which I thought was just stupid. Why take beautiful wood and cover it up?
If that is some kinda tradition, we don't need it. Wood has its own unique
beauty and it is a crime to cover it up. (Think we can get that legislation
passed?)


Say what? Man, if someone wants to use stain, more power to them. Who are
you, or I to say what looks best? To you a clear finish looks good. To Norm,
and many many others, stain is a look they like. Why not just let them
do as they like?

scott

Scott Lurndal wrote:

Say what? Man, if someone wants to use stain, more power to them.
Who are you, or I to say what looks best? To you a clear finish
looks good. To Norm, and many many others, stain is a look they
like. Why not just let them do as they like?

I agree. I tend to not like natural finish wood. I usually like a
darker and more robust finish. Then again I kinda like chubby chicks,
so who the hell is going to listen to me anyway??

Joe Barta