"HMFIC-1369" wrote
I wouldn't build a house to take a Cat 5, I'd let it go and move!!!

Pretty strong words considering there's only been 1 direct cat 5 in the 40
years I lived here.

In article ,
Duane Bozarth wrote:

I've thought what
folks who want to live in such places should do would be to simply build
disposable houses and when the big one comes leave, planning from the
beginning to simply bulldoze and start again. Be cheaper, structurally,
albeit less convenient.

Interesting angle. You'd get to change the design every so many years.
I like the concept. Let the old one blow away.
I guess it's all in how one looks at things, eh?

A boat on a foundation. It would break away and float in the event that the
water got too high. Or one on pilings high enough to withstand Katrina.
"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

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Steve wrote:

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A boat on a foundation. It would break away and float in the event that the
water got too high. Or one on pilings high enough to withstand Katrina.

Have you ever seen a boat on the water, during a hurricane.

Apparently, not.

Notan

Steve (in ) said:

| A boat on a foundation. It would break away and float in the event
| that the water got too high. Or one on pilings high enough to
| withstand Katrina

You mean like one of those big casino boats?

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

Why have a foundation?

"Steve" wrote in message
...
A boat on a foundation. It would break away and float in the event that
the
water got too high. Or one on pilings high enough to withstand Katrina.
"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

--
|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev ||||||||||||||||

Four Hellraisers in 04, huh ?
How did FEMA do it these ?
What was the difference between Florida and NO ?
Was it Jeb Bush VS Kathleen Babineaux Blanco ?

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

Here in SW FL, home of the 4 hellraisers of 04', everything below the 10'
level (10' above sea level) is considered a lost cause.
FEMA specifically addresses these items in the building codes.

As expected, the gov't staggered around like a drunken giant and the
citizenry got stuff done on its own.
Common people working as individuals and teams to clear the roads, clean the
homes and get the power back up.
The street intersections with no traffic signals and NO cops ran the
smoothest.
The intersections with cops directing traffic were clogged continuously.
During a disaster the very last thing people need underfoot are groups of
braindead, unaccountable gov't employees stumbling around.


"JerryD(upstateNY)" wrote
Four Hellraisers in 04, huh ?
How did FEMA do it these ?
What was the difference between Florida and NO ?
Was it Jeb Bush VS Kathleen Babineaux Blanco ?

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

Here in SW FL, home of the 4 hellraisers of 04', everything below the 10'
level (10' above sea level) is considered a lost cause.
FEMA specifically addresses these items in the building codes.

Why have a foundation?


It makes it easier to figure out where to park
the house, it keeps the house from sinking
wandering around during normal weather, it keeps the
wooden bits away from the wood-eating dirt, and it
gives you a fixed point to which you can
anchor your utilities.

--Goedjn

Goedjn wrote:

Why have a foundation?


It makes it easier to figure out where to park
the house, it keeps the house from sinking
wandering around during normal weather, it keeps the
wooden bits away from the wood-eating dirt, and it
gives you a fixed point to which you can
anchor your utilities.

.... and provides an attractive launching pad.

Notan

"Goedjn" wrote

Why have a foundation?

It makes it easier to figure out where to park
the house, it keeps the house from sinking
wandering around during normal weather, it keeps the
wooden bits away from the wood-eating dirt, and it
gives you a fixed point to which you can
anchor your utilities.

Well, if you built a concrete boat with a flat bottom.....

"The length of the Ark shall be 300 cubits, the breadth of it 50 cubits, and
the height of it 30 cubits. A window shall thou make to the Ark and in a
cubit shalt thou finish it above." - God


"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

--
|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev ||||||||||||||||

Why have a foundation?

It makes it easier to figure out where to park
the house, it keeps the house from sinking . . .

Well, if you built a concrete boat with a flat bottom.....


Possible, but I'd think it would be easier, cheaper,
and less of a shock to the local code inspector if
you build a concrete cellar... no this is N'Orleans,
so there is no cellar.. I'm still voting for
a concrete perimeter foundation, 12" above grade,
with a 24" sealed "barge" platform as the ground floor.
that gives you a displacement of 2cuft per square-foot
or area, which means a total building+occupancy
weight of around 120psf.. so you're limited to
heavy 1-story buildings, or light 2-story ones.
When you outgrow the house, though, you can jack the
whole thing up 10', and build a (floodable) ground
floor underneath, on the existing footings.

"Cherokee-Ltd" wrote
"The length of the Ark shall be 300 cubits, the breadth of it 50 cubits,
and the height of it 30 cubits. A window shall thou make to the Ark and in
a cubit shalt thou finish it above." - God

Tell god to transfer all that stuff into standard architectural dimensions,
please.
Thanks, Mgt.

Don wrote:
"Cherokee-Ltd" wrote
"The length of the Ark shall be 300 cubits, the breadth of it 50 cubits,
and the height of it 30 cubits. A window shall thou make to the Ark and in
a cubit shalt thou finish it above." - God

Tell god to transfer all that stuff into standard architectural dimensions,
please.
Thanks, Mgt.

Metric?

"Cato" wrote
Don wrote:
"Cherokee-Ltd" wrote
"The length of the Ark shall be 300 cubits, the breadth of it 50
cubits,
and the height of it 30 cubits. A window shall thou make to the Ark and
in
a cubit shalt thou finish it above." - God

Tell god to transfer all that stuff into standard architectural
dimensions,
please.
Thanks, Mgt.

Metric?

Sure, thats better than that biblical stuff.

Don wrote:

"Cato" wrote
Don wrote:
"Cherokee-Ltd" wrote
"The length of the Ark shall be 300 cubits, the breadth of it 50
cubits,
and the height of it 30 cubits. A window shall thou make to the Ark and
in
a cubit shalt thou finish it above." - God

Tell god to transfer all that stuff into standard architectural
dimensions,
please.
Thanks, Mgt.

Metric?

Sure, thats better than that biblical stuff.

I don't know, at least there was always a standard at hand (so to
speak)...

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
...
Don wrote:

"Cato" wrote
Don wrote:
"Cherokee-Ltd" wrote
"The length of the Ark shall be 300 cubits, the breadth of it 50
cubits,
and the height of it 30 cubits. A window shall thou make to the Ark
and
in
a cubit shalt thou finish it above." - God

Tell god to transfer all that stuff into standard architectural
dimensions,
please.
Thanks, Mgt.

Metric?

Sure, thats better than that biblical stuff.

I don't know, at least there was always a standard at hand (so to
speak)...

heh-heh