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In article , "Chris"
wrote: "Upscale" wrote in message ... "Notan" wrote in message Underground would prevent *all* wind damage, but the house would have to be 110% waterproof/watertight, and have some type of above-ground ventilation system. House built into the side of a mountain that is above sea level. ~ preferably in a lesser earthquake zone. Versus the mountains that are below sea-level???????????????????? Too dangerous... subs run into them... |
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:10:29 GMT, "Jim-Poncin"
wrote: "Notan" wrote in message ... Matt Whiting wrote: Nehmo wrote: Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina. You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the impacts of debris. You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference. The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if necessary. How should this house be built and what should it have? I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close over the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area. And, while building it off the ground, to get out of harm's way of the water, aren't you exposing it to more potential wind damage? Yes, and if subjected to heavy wave action it would probably fail. Cat 3 Katrina tore up a lot of heavy duty structures. But even before those considerations it would cost way too much and would not pass residential codes because it would be an eyesore. A realistic house would have to be one at ground level that could survive immersion. I think that means a heavy stone/cement igloo shaped structure. iisn't new orleans on a sand bar? make it too heavy and it will just sink when the ground gets saturated. a bunch of buildings did that on sand fill in san francisco during one of the big earthquakes. |
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"Chris" wrote in message "Swingman" wrote in message "Upscale" wrote in message How should this house be built and what should it have? Considering that no type of house is ever going to be absolutely safe, The basic design is already at least a few thousand years old, on more than one continent. ... pyramid. -- Ya bit they got looted too! Took a thousand years, or so, though ... besides, I've got the time, and the ammo, for a brief holdout, relatively speaking. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 8/29/05 |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message "Swingman" wrote in message "Upscale" wrote in message How should this house be built and what should it have? Considering that no type of house is ever going to be absolutely safe, The basic design is already at least a few thousand years old, on more than one continent. ... pyramid. -- Ya bit they got looted too! Took a thousand years, or so, though ... besides, I've got the time, and the ammo, for a brief holdout, relatively speaking. -- So a little modern pyramid in order. With up to date arms and some electric grates would do the trick. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina. You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the impacts of debris. You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference. The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if necessary. How should this house be built and what should it have? |||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev |||||||||||||||| Easy answer. Just build it in Antarctica. It has not had a hurricane in millions of years. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message ... Nehmo wrote: Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina. You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the impacts of debris. You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference. The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if necessary. How should this house be built and what should it have? |||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev |||||||||||||||| Easy answer. Just build it in Antarctica. It has not had a hurricane in millions of years. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit Plus no germs or bacteria. Food would stay longer for the survivalist. Saw a show once about Antarctica. They came across a dead seal, looked like it died yesterday. Narrator mentioned that it had died 300 years ago. Wonder if the meat was still good? -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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"Saab Guy" wrote in message ... So let's do a FULL recap of this house. I am going to save this for future use and reference. Let's fill in the blanks and develope this and have it stand the test of back-and-forth until we ALL agree on the resultant. Let's also be realistic, but don't limit yourself. Let's be practical but without any sacrifice on anything for the sake of safety & security most importantly. HURRICANE-HOUSE This is going to take a ****load of concrete. -- "New Wave" Dave In Houston |
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Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina. You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the impacts of debris. You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference. The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if necessary. How should this house be built and what should it have? Some places to start: 1: The buildings at the top of Mount Washington are a good example to follow for wind resistance. They withstood a storm in which gusts topped 230mph, the highest winds ever recorded. Worth a look if you want a house that'll handle any winds Mother Nature might blow its way. 2: The dutch have designed well for slow rising water. They've built houses that float. Not house boats, mind you. These homes have floating concrete foundations that will rise and fall with rising water levels. (I knew that thesis I heard of where a stoner physics student designd and floated a concrete boat and got credit for it would have some use somewhere, but I digress). An idea I had was a house with a two story garage and an amphibian car in it. Living area on the second floor. When slow rising water comes, the car/boat rises up, and I can go out of my house like I normally would, climb into my car/boat, and drive off. 3: Storm surge is already designed for in many parts of the Gulf Coast. Houses are up on stilts, as many of our Florida contingent here on alt.architecture can explain. 4: As for unwanted government and looter home invasion, the best defense is you. Your eyes and ears, a video camera, and a gun. If you design your home to physically withstand the worst storms, it logically follows that you should be able to stay there safely during the worst storms, and the best defense against looters is a physical presence and a gun; the best defense against government is a video camera. A house that's a veritable fortress against intruders wouldn't be pleasant to live during the 99.9% of the time when there's not a hurricane pummelling it or looters attacking it. That's my view anyway. 5: Another thing to think about is plumbing. Namely, when the power goes out, the water will as well. I've seen and smelled a toilet that's been full and not flushed for 2 weeks straight; you -do not- want that in your house. Some auxiliary toilet, an out house even, that doesn't rely on running water is certainly in-order for a hurricane proof house. |
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The wise man woulb build his house upon the rock., and make it outta
concrete. |
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Surplus army submarine would solve all issues.
"Nehmo" wrote in message ... Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina. You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the impacts of debris. You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference. The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if necessary. How should this house be built and what should it have? -- |||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev |||||||||||||||| |
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Adam Weiss wrote: 2: The dutch have designed well for slow rising water. They've built houses that float. Not house boats, mind you. These homes have floating concrete foundations that will rise and fall with rising water levels. (I knew that thesis I heard of where a stoner physics student designd and floated a concrete boat and got credit for it would have some use somewhere, but I digress). The English were using concrete boats in 1910 or so, and a Frenchman patented a wire reinforced concrete boat in 1847. It wasn't exactly a stoner physic student's brainstorm. |
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"Jim-Poncin" wrote
Yes, and if subjected to heavy wave action it would probably fail. Cat 3 Katrina tore up a lot of heavy duty structures. But even before those considerations it would cost way too much and would not pass residential codes because it would be an eyesore. A realistic house would have to be one at ground level that could survive immersion. I think that means a heavy stone/cement igloo shaped structure. Nope. I've done over 300 hpmes in the 130mph wind zone during the past 15 years and all of them sustained the 4 terrors last year. No ONE thing will do it, it takes a *system*. Clue: Abiding by FEMA dictates will get people killed. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:10:29 GMT, "Jim-Poncin" wrote: "Notan" wrote in message ... Matt Whiting wrote: Nehmo wrote: Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina. You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the impacts of debris. You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference. The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if necessary. How should this house be built and what should it have? I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close over the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area. And, while building it off the ground, to get out of harm's way of the water, aren't you exposing it to more potential wind damage? Yes, and if subjected to heavy wave action it would probably fail. Cat 3 Katrina tore up a lot of heavy duty structures. But even before those considerations it would cost way too much and would not pass residential codes because it would be an eyesore. A realistic house would have to be one at ground level that could survive immersion. I think that means a heavy stone/cement igloo shaped structure. iisn't new orleans on a sand bar? make it too heavy and it will just sink when the ground gets saturated. a bunch of buildings did that on sand fill in san francisco during one of the big earthquakes. No, it lies on delta muds and silts that slowly de-water, compact and subside. There are many tall masonry buildings in downtown N.O. that are on the same foundation. |
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skroob wrote: Surplus army submarine would solve all issues. How about a set of plane tickets set for parts far away? |
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"Nehmo" wrote in message ... Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina. You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the impacts of debris. You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference. The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if necessary. How should this house be built and what should it have? -- |||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev |||||||||||||||| It would be far cheaper to buy a house in some distant locale. At least, you could use for some purpose all the time. Jim |
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"skroob" wrote in message ... Surplus army submarine would solve all issues. For a hurricane? Last thing I would want to be in. What Army has submarines anyways. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina. You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the impacts of debris. You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference. The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if necessary. How should this house be built and what should it have? On the North Carolina shore - near the mouth of the Cape Fear, one fellow built shacks on stilts. They get some fearsome hurricanes in those parts. The stilts, he claimed, allowed the house to sway in the wind (rather than resist and get pushed over). And the stilts kept the house from flooding in the surge. -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:14:27 GMT, "Nehmo" wrote:
[asinine proposition snipped] I nominate this thread as the most retarded ever in the history of these groups. -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 |
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Charlie Self wrote:
Adam Weiss wrote: 2: The dutch have designed well for slow rising water. They've built houses that float. Not house boats, mind you. These homes have floating concrete foundations that will rise and fall with rising water levels. (I knew that thesis I heard of where a stoner physics student designd and floated a concrete boat and got credit for it would have some use somewhere, but I digress). The English were using concrete boats in 1910 or so, and a Frenchman patented a wire reinforced concrete boat in 1847. It wasn't exactly a stoner physic student's brainstorm. I didn't know that. But here it is, all online and easily accessed for those too lazy to do real research in a library: http://www.concreteships.org/history/ Very interesting and thanks. |
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:14:27 GMT, "Nehmo" wrote:
How should this house be built and what should it have? Best would be to build it in Britain, not America. (after all, "in Hertford, Hereford and Hampshire hurricanes hardly ever happen") Second best would be to build it in America, in the way the British have always, and still do, build perfectly average houses. They're not great in earthquakes and in hurricanes the roof comes off (just look at Birmingham a month or two back) but the expensive structure stays intact and doesn't crush the inhabitants. If you're worried about flooding, ask the Netherlanders, who have done this stuff quietly and competently for centuries. |
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:14:27 GMT, "Nehmo" wrote: How should this house be built and what should it have? Best would be to build it in Britain, not America. (after all, "in Hertford, Hereford and Hampshire hurricanes hardly ever happen") Second best would be to build it in America, in the way the British have always, and still do, build perfectly average houses. They're not great in earthquakes and in hurricanes the roof comes off (just look at Birmingham a month or two back) but the expensive structure stays intact and doesn't crush the inhabitants. If you're worried about flooding, ask the Netherlanders, who have done this stuff quietly and competently for centuries. And what percentage of the British population actually own homes? |
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CWatters wrote:
"Nehmo" wrote in message ... How should this house be built and what should it have? Underground? Yep, that would be a great place to be when the flood waters came in. Unless, of course, your underground house is a buried submarine. :-) Matt |
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I nominate this thread as the most retarded ever in the history of
these groups. Second nomination of "Prize winner?" as most retarded thread ever. |
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"LRod" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:14:27 GMT, "Nehmo" wrote: [asinine proposition snipped] I nominate this thread as the most retarded ever in the history of these groups. I have seen worst, but In my best Larry King voice "It's way up there...." |
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gruhn wrote:
I nominate this thread as the most retarded ever in the history of these groups. Second nomination of "Prize winner?" as most retarded thread ever. I nominate you both as the most retarded posters to a thread ever. Matt |
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http://www.monolithic.com/gallery/ho...ictorial1.html
--=20 SwampBug - - - - - - - - - - - - "Nehmo" wrote in message = ... Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina. You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the impacts of debris. You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference. The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if necessary. How should this house be built and what should it have? --=20 |||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev |||||||||||||||| |
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"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message ... Easy answer. Just build it in Antarctica. It has not had a hurricane in millions of years. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit BETTER answer.... Just build it in Canada...we have plenty of flood planes for the moronic and a well established reputation for helping our neighbours as opposed to using high powered fire arms to solve all our problems. Regards, Doug |
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"SwampBug" wrote in message http://www.monolithic.com/gallery/ho...ictorial1.html That's just a pyramid with the edges rounded off. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 8/29/05 |
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Poland?
nice catch, though. "Chris" wrote in message ... "skroob" wrote in message ... Surplus army submarine would solve all issues. For a hurricane? Last thing I would want to be in. What Army has submarines anyways. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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Nehmo (in ) said:
| How should this house be built and what should it have? Solid but light. Wheels. [and anti-troll protection] -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html |
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"Cato" wrote
skroob wrote: Surplus army submarine would solve all issues. How about a set of plane tickets set for parts far away? Make that boat tickets and I'll order 2 right away. When an airplane stops flying you can't get out and fly. When a boat stops floating you can get out and swim. Humans are more closely related to fish than birds. ;-) |
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"LRod" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:14:27 GMT, "Nehmo" wrote: [asinine proposition snipped] I nominate this thread as the most retarded ever in the history of these groups. So said the boy that lives in the cave. LOL |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... gruhn wrote: I nominate this thread as the most retarded ever in the history of these groups. Second nomination of "Prize winner?" as most retarded thread ever. I nominate you both as the most retarded posters to a thread ever. I know you are butt what am I???? ;-] |
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In article S7nUe.498$Hs6.48@trnddc07,
"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote: "Chris" wrote in message ... "Robatoy" wrote in message ... In article , "Chris" wrote: Asking the "Three Little Pigs" comes to mind. That is of course if they are still around Didn't one of them go to market? Yes, but he was looting, so it was ok. But which one do you shoot? One had roast beef and the other had nun........ I'd drill the little ****er that went "WEE WEE WEE" all the way home... |
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Build it on a big mound of packed dirt with pilings to hold it all in
place. Make the rest of the structural parts except doors and windows of heavily reinforced concrete. Stretch |
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vdubbs wrote:
For one, an address farther inland. Keeping in mind that the sperm whale population in northwest Nebraska is negligible. j4 |
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Dr. Hardcrab wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... gruhn wrote: I nominate this thread as the most retarded ever in the history of these groups. Second nomination of "Prize winner?" as most retarded thread ever. I nominate you both as the most retarded posters to a thread ever. I know you are butt what am I???? ;-] Nah. Robin's butt. Just ask Ms Hartl and Mr Lee. j4 |
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Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina. You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the impacts of debris. You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference. The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if necessary. How should this house be built and what should it have? I was just wondering about how to reinforce the front door so the cops couldn't kick it open -- even with that little battering ram they use, unless they want to keep pounding on it for 20 minutes. I think the door frame and the latch are probably more important than the actual door. Of course, it would have to have a chain so you could crack it open to talk to people on the other side if you wanted to. 5/16" safety chain? If they tried to kick it in while the door was cracked, it would bounce shut (breaking someone's foot, hopefully) and you could latch the bolt if you were fast. An antique-looking 4 inch cannon in the front room would make a great conversation piece. Hopefully no one would ever have to find out that it was real and loaded with grapeshot. Wood-frame construction (except for the heavy steel door frames) with lots of metal ties to hold the roof joists to the wall plates, and steel siding. No basement, obviously. Heavy full-sized shutters to cover the windows. Small generator and transfer switch. Best regards, Bob |
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Chris wrote:
Saw a show once about Antarctica. They came across a dead seal, looked like it died yesterday. Narrator mentioned that it had died 300 years ago. Wonder if the meat was still good? How did the narrator know that? -Bob |
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but it is those rounded edges that make it work. . .flat surface collect =
wind or sail boats would not work. --=20 SwampBug - - - - - - - - - - - - "Swingman" wrote in message = ... "SwampBug" wrote in message http://www.monolithic.com/gallery/ho...ictorial1.html That's just a pyramid with the edges rounded off. --=20 www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 8/29/05 |
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