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Advice needed for buying a plane
Hello,
Long time lurker here, but brand new to actually working wood. Have a question regarding which plane(s) to buy. I am assembling my shop, and have a 6" jointer (Jet) and a portable planer (dewalt). So far have mostly done some crude tables for the shop, and these have sufficed. But now want to start doing what I originally got into the hobby to do: building my own furniture. Toward that end, I figure I will probably need a hand plane or two. Money is at a premium for the time being (did I not just mention the above two power tools!), but I would rather buy high-quality stuff one tool at a time than buy lots of things quickly and sacrifice on the quality. If you all had to buy ONE plane, which would it be? Bench or block? What size/number? Which manufacturer? Thanks for any help you can give! |
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If you all had to buy ONE plane, which would it be?
Bench or block? What size/number? Which manufacturer? Thanks for any help you can give! First decent plane I purchased was the Veritas low angle smoother. I suggest that AND get the high angle replacement blade. It will then do double duty. Great quality. Order from Lee Valley. You can't go wrong with the Veritas line. I'm now at 4 Veritas planes/scrapers and counting... If I could only have one plane, it would be the LN Adjustable Mouth block plane, an interpretation of the venerable Stanley 9 1/2. Dave's suggestion is a good one, because the Veritas is wider and heavier, and works not unlike an old Stanley #3, which is also a favorite plane of mine. I have the Veritas Block plane, and it's a good one, but it's not the first one I pick up, for most projects. This notion of one plane, however, is foreign to me. Rather like working with only one species of wood, or eating only Mexican food, or only listening to Beethoven. Buy one block plane now. Budget for a Low Angle Smoother for the near future. Expect to purchase a high angle blade for it as well. Welcome to the quiet side, at least a little bit. Patriarch |
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wrote in message If you all had to buy ONE plane, which would it be? Bench or block? What size/number? Which manufacturer? Lee Valley Low angle block plane Next a shoulder plane or smoother. It's a toss up there depending on your project at the moment. |
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Dave,
Great points, all true. In short, I have *no* experience using planes at all. I've had very little formal woodworking training at all as a matter of fact, and all of it has been on power tools. I guess I'm not even sure *what* I'll need a hand plane on...so far my machine work has been good enough to get me by. However, I'm sure that will change once I stop building crude tables out of construction pine!! Here's a corollary question, I guess: Some people rely heavily (exclusively?) on their power tools, and some prefer the feeling of hand tools. For the first group, and particularly if you own a power planer and jointer, what DO you use your planes on mostly? I guess a little more specifically, I'm most interested in building a variety of tables, as well as bookcases and, when I get a LOT better, maybe a bed or two. Thanks all! |
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wrote in message For the first group, and particularly if you own a power planer and jointer, what DO you use your planes on mostly? I guess a little more specifically, I'm most interested in building a variety of tables, as well as bookcases and, when I get a LOT better, maybe a bed or two. The blockplane can put a bevel on an edge. It can smooth the edge of a board. It can be used to fit a board between others, Shoulder plane is good for fitting a tenon into a mortise or a tongue into a dado. One pass at a time, it is very satisfying to have that tongue slip properly into the groove. The Knight coffin smoother, well, smoothes the wood. |
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There's a trove of information at this link, including attempts to
answer questions such as "which plane first?" and "which one plane?" http://home.pacbell.net/paulcomi/Spe...handplanes.htm MY first plane (and I only have 3) was the Veritas Apron plane - an economical choice I thought for trimming/fitting. It has worked well for me in this regard. FYI, Chris |
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Crap - typo! (Couldn't paste into the Google "reply" window for some
reason...) There should be an "_" (underbar) added in the middle of the word "handplanes" at the end of the link - i.e. "rfeeser_article_on_hand_planes.htm" Sorry! |
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My two most used are, in order, block plane, #5.
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message news:lPbDe.5013$Zx3.2610@trndny05... wrote in message If you all had to buy ONE plane, which would it be? Bench or block? What size/number? Which manufacturer? Lee Valley Low angle block plane Next a shoulder plane or smoother. It's a toss up there depending on your project at the moment. |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in
news:LmcDe.5014$Zx3.1269@trndny05: snip The Knight coffin smoother, well, smoothes the wood. And looks supremely cool doing it. Patriarch, owner of several handmade Knight smoothers, still not cool, though. (101 today...) |
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There's a good fairly new FWW book: "Working with handplanes" (ISBN 1-56158-748-6) it's worth checking out of the library. Barry Lennox Thanks for the note about that book, good price too. -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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A craftsman swears by his tools, a hacker swears at his tools. If you have
never used a plane buy a cheap one at the hardware store. It is probably better than those used to create the wonders in the Louvre and in Williamsburg. If you inherit a fortune, by the "best" but don't expect that the plane will do the work. You will still have to learn how to use it and that takes a while. Did I forget sharpening? Thats another thing you need to learn. You cannot buy skill, it's just a matter of your being interested enough to put the time in. Keep trying! Dave "David" wrote in message ... wrote: Hello, Long time lurker here, but brand new to actually working wood. Have a question regarding which plane(s) to buy. I am assembling my shop, and have a 6" jointer (Jet) and a portable planer (dewalt). So far have mostly done some crude tables for the shop, and these have sufficed. But now want to start doing what I originally got into the hobby to do: building my own furniture. Toward that end, I figure I will probably need a hand plane or two. Money is at a premium for the time being (did I not just mention the above two power tools!), but I would rather buy high-quality stuff one tool at a time than buy lots of things quickly and sacrifice on the quality. If you all had to buy ONE plane, which would it be? Bench or block? What size/number? Which manufacturer? Thanks for any help you can give! First decent plane I purchased was the Veritas low angle smoother. I suggest that AND get the high angle replacement blade. It will then do double duty. Great quality. Order from Lee Valley. You can't go wrong with the Veritas line. I'm now at 4 Veritas planes/scrapers and counting... Dave |
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Dave W wrote:
A craftsman swears by his tools, a hacker swears at his tools. If you have never used a plane buy a cheap one at the hardware store. It is probably better than those used to create the wonders in the Louvre and in Williamsburg. If you inherit a fortune, by the "best" but don't expect that the plane will do the work. You will still have to learn how to use it and that takes a while. Did I forget sharpening? Thats another thing you need to learn. You cannot buy skill, it's just a matter of your being interested enough to put the time in. Keep trying! I do NOT concur. The new planes from the hardware store, especially the ones from India/China/CZ are not worth the time to flatten. And you WILL need to flatten them. I looked at a GROZ at Woodcraft and it rocked on its corners, don't even get me started about Anants or the HF crap planes. The English Stanleys, Great Neck or the Chinese Buck Bros are nearly as bad. None have decent, or even fair, blades or chip breakers. Poor tools are usable by a craftsman, but are a lousey way to learn how to use tools. Middle level tools, like OLD Stanleys are usable, and arre probably acceptably flattened. They have usable blades and chipbreakers. You can learn on them and use them without cursing, assuming that you can sharpen. Going higher end than that to start is, in my opinion, a waste of money, as is buying a crap and then getting bummed out because it won't do the job. The Old planes, woodies used to build things pre-Civil War work perfectly well, and some say better, than metal bodies. They have a learning curve in setting the blade and require care and feeding, but they are incomparable in their feel when gliding over wood. Hardware store planes are not at all in their class. My tu sense, Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.patinatools.org |
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That's exactly what I just ordered, the Lee Valley low-angle block.
Thanks for the advice. Thanks to everyone, too. BTW, the Lee Valley shoulder planes look nice, and the ability to trim the end-grain on tenons would be wonderful. The kinds of wood I will be working will most likely be cherry, walnut, and mahogany. Any preferences as to the LV Medium Shoulder versus the LV Bullnose? |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:42:00 -0400, "Dave W"
wrote: It is probably better than those used to create the wonders in the Louvre and in Williamsburg. No it isnt, I have some of those 18th century wooden planes and they work just fine - locally made too. They work a _lot_ better than some pressed-steel base plane from the usual DIY shops. And what's wrong with English Stanleys? They're not great, but neither are they bad. The #92 and family was always better than the US-made version too. |
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"Patriarch" wrote Another shoulder plane, for larger work, might find a place in my tool cabinet. But not this week, cartainly. Is that because you need to add a room to the south side of the tool cabinet to hold more planes?? G |
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"Lee Michaels" wrote in
: "Patriarch" wrote Another shoulder plane, for larger work, might find a place in my tool cabinet. But not this week, cartainly. Is that because you need to add a room to the south side of the tool cabinet to hold more planes?? G A penthouse, perhaps. Two more planes in the last 6 weeks, and neither one has had a chance to be used as yet. Ceramic tile installation in the master bath was 'interesting'. A Steve Knight microsmoother, and one of the new Veritas Scrubs... Perhaps this weekend, while working on the bathroom vanity project. Patriarch |
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A Steve Knight microsmoother, and one of the new Veritas Scrubs... Perhaps this weekend, while working on the bathroom vanity project. Patriarch You should gander at this site: http://www.stjamesbaytoolco.com/ -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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"AAvK" wrote in news:cjLDe.56042$ro.45863@fed1read02:
A Steve Knight microsmoother, and one of the new Veritas Scrubs... Perhaps this weekend, while working on the bathroom vanity project. Patriarch You should gander at this site: http://www.stjamesbaytoolco.com/ A fellow could spend his entire allowance with those people. ;-) Thank you. Patriarch |
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