And just snipping this all to heck - does anyone know what "Airplane
Security" has cost us in the USA? I can't imagine. But I do donate a pair
of school scissors to the cause every time I travel, maybe all the security
is worth that much.

Josie

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:15:46 -0400, the inscrutable "firstjois"
spake:

And just snipping this all to heck - does anyone know what "Airplane
Security" has cost us in the USA? I can't imagine. But I do donate a pair
of school scissors to the cause every time I travel, maybe all the security
is worth that much.

Would you like that figure rounded to the nearest billion dollars?
sigh


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"firstjois" wrote in message
...
And just snipping this all to heck - does anyone know what "Airplane
Security" has cost us in the USA? I can't imagine. But I do donate a pair
of school scissors to the cause every time I travel, maybe all the
security
is worth that much.

I saw a United Captain getting a serious double check since he had (gasp) a
pair of baby scissors (with the round tip) for trimming his moustache - of
course once he is behind the reinforced door with the fire axe in the
cockpit (used to chop his way out in an accident), a taser and or handgun,
he could have attacked the co-pilot with it . . . a serious weapon to be
sure -

BillyB

BillyBob wrote:
I saw a United Captain getting a serious double check since he had (gasp) a
pair of baby scissors (with the round tip) for trimming his moustache - of
course once he is behind the reinforced door with the fire axe in the
cockpit (used to chop his way out in an accident), a taser and or handgun,
he could have attacked the co-pilot with it . . . a serious weapon to be
sure -


Crap like that ****es me off. All in the name of political correctness, people
have checked their brains at the door. If a green woman robbed a bank, it is a
waste of resources to stop pink or brown men in order to check them out. You
stop green women!

If middle eastern looking males are trying to hijack or blow up jetliners, you
need to look at middle eastern males. Don't waste my tax money shaking down
little old ladies or airline captains with mustache scissors. If that offends
other middle eastern men who are innocent, so be it. Life will go on.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

BillyBob wrote:

I saw a United Captain getting a serious double check since he had (gasp) a
pair of baby scissors (with the round tip) for trimming his moustache - of
course once he is behind the reinforced door with the fire axe in the
cockpit (used to chop his way out in an accident), a taser and or handgun,
he could have attacked the co-pilot with it . . . a serious weapon to be
sure -



Crap like that ****es me off. All in the name of political correctness, people
have checked their brains at the door. If a green woman robbed a bank, it is a
waste of resources to stop pink or brown men in order to check them out. You
stop green women!

If middle eastern looking males are trying to hijack or blow up jetliners, you
need to look at middle eastern males. Don't waste my tax money shaking down
little old ladies or airline captains with mustache scissors. If that offends
other middle eastern men who are innocent, so be it. Life will go on.

Back in the 80's when a gulf air jet was "lost" over the desert I spent
several weeks at heathrow searching cabin crew and the bags for that
airline, one captain was so up for it he insisted on strip searches for
all the crew, including himself!
The females were searched by female security, but inductive metal
checked by me (after dressing again), we never quite had a handle on
what to do if we got a positive detection, secreted grenades or small
handguns in body cavities were not unknown even then....

In article , "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:

If middle eastern looking males are trying to hijack or blow up jetliners, you
need to look at middle eastern males. Don't waste my tax money shaking down
little old ladies or airline captains with mustache scissors.

Or war heros with the Medal of Honor.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/news/arc...0100_foss.html

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


Crap like that ****es me off. All in the name of political correctness, people
have checked their brains at the door. If a green woman robbed a bank, it is a
waste of resources to stop pink or brown men in order to check them out. You
stop green women!

Crap like that ****es me off. If a crime has been comitted police
will stop persons who phyusically resemble the suspect. That is
NOT racist profiling. Racist profiling, for example is the NJ state
police using 'black' in their profile for drug courier despite the
fact that statistically blacks were underrepresented among drug
couriers arrested in NJ.


If middle eastern looking males are trying to hijack or blow up jetliners, you
need to look at middle eastern males. Don't waste my tax money shaking down
little old ladies or airline captains with mustache scissors. If that offends
other middle eastern men who are innocent, so be it. Life will go on.


Exactly how the bomb got on board Pan Am flight 103 has never been
positively established. But as I recall one of the leading threories
is that the bomb was carried on board by a White European woman
who didn't even know she was carrying a bomb.

There is a conclusion that appears obvious to me, but some other
people seem to have a hard time with it.

--

FF

Actually they have determined that it was one of the girlfriends of the
conspirators, who carried an altitude triggered bomb on board in her
checked baggage. That is where the old, pre 9-11, questions about: has
anyone else had control of your luggage, and did someone else pack your
luggage came from.

wrote:


Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


Crap like that ****es me off. All in the name of political correctness, people
have checked their brains at the door. If a green woman robbed a bank, it is a
waste of resources to stop pink or brown men in order to check them out. You
stop green women!


Crap like that ****es me off. If a crime has been comitted police
will stop persons who phyusically resemble the suspect. That is
NOT racist profiling. Racist profiling, for example is the NJ state
police using 'black' in their profile for drug courier despite the
fact that statistically blacks were underrepresented among drug
couriers arrested in NJ.


If middle eastern looking males are trying to hijack or blow up jetliners, you
need to look at middle eastern males. Don't waste my tax money shaking down
little old ladies or airline captains with mustache scissors. If that offends
other middle eastern men who are innocent, so be it. Life will go on.



Exactly how the bomb got on board Pan Am flight 103 has never been
positively established. But as I recall one of the leading threories
is that the bomb was carried on board by a White European woman
who didn't even know she was carrying a bomb.

There is a conclusion that appears obvious to me, but some other
people seem to have a hard time with it.

wrote:




Exactly how the bomb got on board Pan Am flight 103 has never been
positively established. But as I recall one of the leading threories
is that the bomb was carried on board by a White European woman
who didn't even know she was carrying a bomb.



Then

Randy wrote:
Actually they have determined that it was one of the girlfriends of the
conspirators, who carried an altitude triggered bomb on board in her
checked baggage. That is where the old, pre 9-11, questions about: has
anyone else had control of your luggage, and did someone else pack your
luggage came from.


Ok, checked baggage rather than carry-on. IIRC she was told it was a
gift she was to give someone in the US. Otherwise like I thought--
the girfriend was European, right?

I probably had confabulated that story with this one:

In 1986 a bomb was found in a false bottomed bag a pregnant
Irish woman was trying to carry onto a flight in London:

http://www.rosenblit.com/ADC_letter.htm
... hen Hindawi was arrested he revealed that he was
a paid agent for Syria and claimed that he had been
specifically instructed by Syria to romance and then
impregnate a naive woman who could be utilized as a
completely unwitting human bomb and thereby more likely
avoid detection by airport security (who then operated
according to standardized terrorist profiles). ...


--

FF

On 5 Jun 2005 15:41:50 -0700, wrote:

wrote:




Exactly how the bomb got on board Pan Am flight 103 has never been
positively established. But as I recall one of the leading threories
is that the bomb was carried on board by a White European woman
who didn't even know she was carrying a bomb.



Then

Randy wrote:
Actually they have determined that it was one of the girlfriends of the
conspirators, who carried an altitude triggered bomb on board in her
checked baggage. That is where the old, pre 9-11, questions about: has
anyone else had control of your luggage, and did someone else pack your
luggage came from.


Ok, checked baggage rather than carry-on. IIRC she was told it was a
gift she was to give someone in the US. Otherwise like I thought--
the girfriend was European, right?

I probably had confabulated that story with this one:

In 1986 a bomb was found in a false bottomed bag a pregnant
Irish woman was trying to carry onto a flight in London:

http://www.rosenblit.com/ADC_letter.htm
... hen Hindawi was arrested he revealed that he was
a paid agent for Syria and claimed that he had been
specifically instructed by Syria to romance and then
impregnate a naive woman who could be utilized as a
completely unwitting human bomb and thereby more likely
avoid detection by airport security (who then operated
according to standardized terrorist profiles). ...


... OK, and then how does body-searching middle-aged white males, aging
grandmothers or grandfathers help solve this? Pre-screening baggage for
explosives and carrry-on resolves the entire issue you are discussing above
-- and that is, theoretically, already done and has been the norm for
years. The highly personal, invasive searches of people who are highly
unlikely to be terrorists is the issue and appears to be a significant
waste of resources (i.e. tax dollars and time), drives people away from
that mode of transportation (I *will not* fly unless I absolutely have no
choice, and I'm not alone in that attitude), and does nothing to solve the
problem. All this in the name of attempting to show no bias despite the
fact that the most likely perpetrators match a specific profile.




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