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Pointy Sticks are next
As many of you may be aware, (from the "you can't make this stuff up department"), several physicians in England are advocating that "long pointy knives" be banned from the general public's availability, saying, "Government action to ban the sale of such knives," they wrote, "would drastically reduce their availability over the course of a few years." From a survey of several folks in the US, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158032,00.html Since, those, who in the past have derided gun control as going after the wrong probelm by asking "what are they going to ban next, knives?" have now been justified in their line of questioning, the following should cause woodworkers, and particularly the woodworkers in this group,no little concern: Someone with whom I have never agreed in my life actually asked the following question, "Can sharp stick control be far behind?" wondered LaPierre's erstwhile opponent, Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence" Of course, he said this tongue in cheek, but still .... The keeper of the Pointy Stick web page better take care, he may be considered a violence enabler in the future. ;-) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
On Sun, 29 May 2005 18:37:58 -0700, Mark & Juanita
wrote: Since, those, who in the past have derided gun control as going after the wrong probelm by asking "what are they going to ban next, knives?" Yes, I actually have said that for nearly 40 years. The keeper of the Pointy Stick web page better take care, he may be considered a violence enabler in the future. Maybe in the past. Nowadays they'll arrest him as a terrorist and process him under the Patriot Act (should be called the Kafka Act). -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 |
LRod wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2005 18:37:58 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote: Since, those, who in the past have derided gun control as going after the wrong probelm by asking "what are they going to ban next, knives?" Yes, I actually have said that for nearly 40 years. The keeper of the Pointy Stick web page better take care, he may be considered a violence enabler in the future. Maybe in the past. Nowadays they'll arrest him as a terrorist and process him under the Patriot Act (should be called the Kafka Act). -- LRod Get it while you can folks - The Pointy Stick Compendium Project http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...OfContent.html As for gun control, I'm more inclined towards bullet control. Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people. I propose a compromise gun control. Everyone can have as many as they want. But each must be a) taller than the person carrying it and b) be limited to a single shot. If you can't disable an assailant with one shot you probably shouldn't have a firearm anyway. If you're worried about mulltiple assailants then carry two or three firearms of the type and size suggested. Now will someone please explain why a private citizen should be able to , and perhaps use, armor piercing bullets? charlie b donning his Poo Suit |
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charlie b wrote: Now will someone please explain why a private citizen should be able to , and perhaps use, armor piercing bullets? To discourage the manufacture, sale, and _use_ of *cheap* armor? |
Now will someone please explain why a private citizen
should be able to , and perhaps use, armor piercing bullets? I hope you are kidding! If you ban armor piecing bullets, it is just a hop skip and a jump to banning other gun related items. And then where would we be? |
As many of you may be aware, (from the "you can't make this stuff up department"), several physicians in England are advocating that "long pointy knives" be banned from the general public's availability, saying, "Government action to ban the sale of such knives," they wrote, "would drastically reduce their availability over the course of a few years." It is not "quite" as silly as it sounds. I have used chef's knives for 30 years and have never used the point; occasionally on one of the smaller knives, but never on the big ones. If the point serves no purpose, and eliminating it would prevent a few crimes of passion; why not? |
"toller" writes:
[...] If you ban armor piecing bullets, it is just a hop skip and a jump to banning other gun related items. And then where would we be? Totaly in the unsafe region. You'd be absolutely screwed up if a moron came down on you with his tank and you unable to get him with you DU ammo firing gun... -- Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869 Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23 |
"toller" writes:
[...] It is not "quite" as silly as it sounds. I have used chef's knives for 30 years and have never used the point; occasionally on one of the smaller knives, but never on the big ones. If the point serves no purpose, and eliminating it would prevent a few crimes of passion; why not? It would also keep you from having some nasty accidents, and there are very nice knifes without a point, e.g http://www.dick.biz/cgi-bin/dick.sto...ct/View/719040 or http://www.dick.biz/cgi-bin/dick.sto...ct/View/719055 -- Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869 Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23 |
On Mon, 30 May 2005 15:09:41 GMT, "toller" wrote:
Now will someone please explain why a private citizen should be able to , and perhaps use, armor piercing bullets? I hope you are kidding! If you ban armor piecing bullets, it is just a hop skip and a jump to banning other gun related items. And then where would we be? In a few years hence, discussing the banning for pointy knives, probably followed by pointy sticks, then various pieces of sports equipment that could cause blunt force trauma; say things like baseball bats or golf clubs. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
On Mon, 30 May 2005 17:21:01 +0200, Juergen Hannappel
wrote: "toller" writes: [...] It is not "quite" as silly as it sounds. I have used chef's knives for 30 years and have never used the point; occasionally on one of the smaller knives, but never on the big ones. If the point serves no purpose, and eliminating it would prevent a few crimes of passion; why not? It would also keep you from having some nasty accidents, and there are very nice knifes without a point, e.g http://www.dick.biz/cgi-bin/dick.sto...ct/View/719040 or http://www.dick.biz/cgi-bin/dick.sto...ct/View/719055 Yeah, neither one of *those* knives could do any damage to someone during a "crime of passion". Seems that someone who is angry and seeking to do mayhem would not be deterred by the lack of a sharp point. I can see it now, person in rage, rummaging through kitchen drawer, "Where are those points, dang it! Ah well, guess I'll just have to enroll in anger management instead. Sorry honey, please forgive me." Far more likely they will grab one of the above and use it in a slicing motion about various important body parts of the victim. As the second item above indicated, "... have blades with a straight cutting edge and a shape similar to early *Japanese swords* (dating from the Nara period). ... and are truly razor sharp." Nope, no chance of serious damage there. I'm amazed that there are people who actually see this idea as a rational response to violence. The fact that one person may not have used the point in years of using chef's knives does not mean that no others do. In my original posting, the link indicated that there were a number of English chefs (recognizing of course the oxymoron in the preceding) who felt that this was an essential tool being taken away from them. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
Mark & Juanita writes:
On Mon, 30 May 2005 17:21:01 +0200, Juergen Hannappel [...] It would also keep you from having some nasty accidents, and there are very nice knifes without a point, e.g [...] important body parts of the victim. As the second item above indicated, "... have blades with a straight cutting edge and a shape similar to early *Japanese swords* (dating from the Nara period). ... and are truly razor sharp." Nope, no chance of serious damage there. See? No point in this discussion... -- Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869 Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23 |
Greetings and Salutations...
On Mon, 30 May 2005 15:13:10 GMT, "toller" wrote: As many of you may be aware, (from the "you can't make this stuff up department"), several physicians in England are advocating that "long pointy knives" be banned from the general public's availability, saying, "Government action to ban the sale of such knives," they wrote, "would drastically reduce their availability over the course of a few years." It is not "quite" as silly as it sounds. I have used chef's knives for 30 years and have never used the point; occasionally on one of the smaller knives, but never on the big ones. If the point serves no purpose, and eliminating it would prevent a few crimes of passion; why not? Well, I have to say that it does not sound silly at all to me...but it DOES sound rather sinister and misguided. It is part of that continuing trend towards making life "safe" and not scary. However, the problem with that is that life *IS* dangerous and scary and that will never change. I think it is a far better course of action for us to accept that, and learn to use caution and treat dangerous things with respect, and, to find ways to build impulse control in our citizens. That will go a lot further towards truely making life safer for all of us. Too...there is the problem that the last time I looked, the criminal elements that would misuse tools as weapons are not deterred by laws making it illegal. The danger of punishment is simply looked upon as a cost of doing business, and, in some cases, being caught and punished cranks up their reputations. As for using the point or not...I, too, have been cooking and baking for decades, and, while I might not use the point EVERY time I pick up a knife, I have to say that I DO use it to start cuts quite often. So...my solution, if this silly law were to go through, and if I happened to NEED a new knife, would be to go out to the shop, and put a nice point on it with my grinders, etc. Just remember that it is NOT doing anyone a favor to wrap them in cotton wool to "protect" them from the difficulities and dangers of life. At some point they will have to deal with it, and, the older they are when that happens, the harder it will be for them to adapt to the needs of the moment. Teaching folks about the uses and dangers of a tool, and, its proper use is very important. Also, of course, as mentioned earlier, teaching impulse control from a very early age is vital, otherwise we will become a herd of animals, randomly and instinctively striking out when irritated...not dealing with other folks on a more rational level. Regards from the voice crying in the wilderness. Dave Mundt |
Showing off yur soft brain again?
"toller" wrote in message ... .." It is not "quite" as silly as it sounds. I have used chef's knives for 30 years and have never used the point; occasionally on one of the smaller knives, but never on the big ones. If the point serves no purpose, and eliminating it would prevent a few crimes of passion; why not? |
Wait till they ban rocks.
"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 May 2005 15:09:41 GMT, "toller" wrote: In a few years hence, discussing the banning for pointy knives, probably followed by pointy sticks, then various pieces of sports equipment that could cause blunt force trauma; say things like baseball bats or golf clubs. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----+ |
Mark & Juanita wrote:
In a few years hence, discussing the banning for pointy knives, probably followed by pointy sticks, then various pieces of sports equipment that could cause blunt force trauma; say things like baseball bats or golf clubs. I'm more worried about my mechanics tools, 'specially the 3/4' and 1" drives. My turning tools come to mind. Wood splitting equipment, chainsaws, pry bars, and, oh yeah, the jawbones of asses. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.patinatools.com |
CW wrote:
Wait till they ban rocks. Ya know, Clint, every once in a while you say something that I agree with whole-heartedly. This is one of those times. This PC crap has to stop, hopefully before we're overrun by the barbarians. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.patinatools.com |
On Mon, 30 May 2005 18:45:30 GMT, "CW" wrote:
"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 30 May 2005 15:09:41 GMT, "toller" wrote: In a few years hence, discussing the banning for pointy knives, probably followed by pointy sticks, then various pieces of sports equipment that could cause blunt force trauma; say things like baseball bats or golf clubs. Wait till they ban rocks. Man, if they do that, I'm in deep trouble, my house and property sit on nothing but rocks with a little bit of dirt in between them. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
On Mon, 30 May 2005 20:08:24 GMT, Dave in Fairfax wrote:
Mark & Juanita wrote: In a few years hence, discussing the banning for pointy knives, probably followed by pointy sticks, then various pieces of sports equipment that could cause blunt force trauma; say things like baseball bats or golf clubs. I'm more worried ... snip ... and, oh yeah, the jawbones of asses. ... and heaven knows there's no shortage of those. Dave in Fairfax +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message ... As many of you may be aware, (from the "you can't make this stuff up department"), several physicians in England are advocating that "long pointy knives" be banned from the general public's availability, saying, "Government action to ban the sale of such knives," they wrote, "would drastically reduce their availability over the course of a few years." From a survey of several folks in the US, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158032,00.html Since, those, who in the past have derided gun control as going after the wrong probelm by asking "what are they going to ban next, knives?" have now been justified in their line of questioning, the following should cause woodworkers, and particularly the woodworkers in this group,no little concern: Someone with whom I have never agreed in my life actually asked the following question, "Can sharp stick control be far behind?" wondered LaPierre's erstwhile opponent, Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence" Of course, he said this tongue in cheek, but still .... The English bill of rights [after which the US one was modeled] was signed into law around 1680. In it the individual had the right to bear arms for "self protection"......This right was overruled by the UK government based on a case in Dumblain Scotland 10 or so years ago Now only the crooks have guns which they use liberally . Since the individual no longer is allow to have a gun, gun crimes have skyrocketed....mjh |
CW wrote:
Wait till they ban rocks. They will never ban rocks. Otherwise Parliament would have nothing to stuff their heads with to avoid that "hollow" sound when you thump them. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
Mark & Juanita wrote:
... and heaven knows there's no shortage of those. My thoughts exactly. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.patinatools.com |
In article , "mike hide" wrote:
The English bill of rights [after which the US one was modeled] was signed into law around 1680. In it the individual had the right to bear arms for "self protection"......This right was overruled by the UK government based on a case in Dumblain Scotland 10 or so years ago Now only the crooks have guns which they use liberally . Since the individual no longer is allow to have a gun, gun crimes have skyrocketed....mjh I very much wish that the "keep and bear arms" language in the U.S. Constitution were more like that in the Constitution of my State (Indiana): "The people shall have the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of themselves and of the State." -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt. And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time? |
On Mon, 30 May 2005 13:32:19 -0700, Mark & Juanita
wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2005 20:08:24 GMT, Dave in Fairfax wrote: Mark & Juanita wrote: In a few years hence, discussing the banning for pointy knives, probably followed by pointy sticks, then various pieces of sports equipment that could cause blunt force trauma; say things like baseball bats or golf clubs. I'm more worried ... snip ... and, oh yeah, the jawbones of asses. ... and heaven knows there's no shortage of those. Don't you need a pointy knife to separate the jawbone from the ass? Lee |
Lee DeRaud wrote:
I'm more worried ... snip ... and, oh yeah, the jawbones of asses. ... and heaven knows there's no shortage of those. Don't you need a pointy knife to separate the jawbone from the ass? With government officials, you generally use a crowbar. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
If the knife is properly sharpened, which it should be so as to negate the
need for a point to beging a cut, it would be a savage weapon in a crime of passion. African nations with strong gun laws and few guns have seen machetes used to hack people to death. Where there is a will there is a way. Blugeoning by toaster or electric can opener would be better? We are an ingenious species and will use whatever is at hand. "toller" wrote in message ... As many of you may be aware, (from the "you can't make this stuff up department"), several physicians in England are advocating that "long pointy knives" be banned from the general public's availability, saying, "Government action to ban the sale of such knives," they wrote, "would drastically reduce their availability over the course of a few years." It is not "quite" as silly as it sounds. I have used chef's knives for 30 years and have never used the point; occasionally on one of the smaller knives, but never on the big ones. If the point serves no purpose, and eliminating it would prevent a few crimes of passion; why not? |
"Doug Miller" wrote in message ... In article , "mike hide" wrote: The English bill of rights [after which the US one was modeled] was signed into law around 1680. In it the individual had the right to bear arms for "self protection"......This right was overruled by the UK government based on a case in Dumblain Scotland 10 or so years ago Now only the crooks have guns which they use liberally . Since the individual no longer is allow to have a gun, gun crimes have skyrocketed....mjh I very much wish that the "keep and bear arms" language in the U.S. Constitution were more like that in the Constitution of my State (Indiana): "The people shall have the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of themselves and of the State. That was it's intent but they didn't feel the need to spell it out. They assumed, incorrectly, apparently, that people's reading comprehension would do nothing but improve over the years and a concept that was that easily understood at the time would be crystal clear in the future. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt. And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time? |
Lee DeRaud wrote:
Don't you need a pointy knife to separate the jawbone from the ass? Geez, I usually use my 45. Or I try not to vote for them. Neither seems to work too well though. %-( Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.patinatools.com |
On Mon, 30 May 2005 15:09:41 GMT, the inscrutable "toller"
spake: Now will someone please explain why a private citizen should be able to , and perhaps use, armor piercing bullets? I hope you are kidding! If you ban armor piecing bullets, it is just a hop skip and a jump to banning other gun related items. And then where would we be? Unarmed victims like the Brits and Aussies? Now that's scary. I hope charlieb reads some books like "The Coming Anarchy", Crichton's "State of Fear", and anything by Gary Kleck, such as "Armed--New Perspectives on Gun Control" for a bit of perspective. I used to be anti-handgun until I did more research on it. Talk about a lot of propaganda to cut through before finding the truth. Michael Crichton blows away all sorts of other false truths in his book. It's quite a ride, and though it's a work of fiction, it is LOADED with sources for getting to the truth. -- If you turn the United States on its side, everything loose will fall to California. --Frank Lloyd Wright |
On Mon, 30 May 2005 10:24:18 -0700, the inscrutable Mark & Juanita
spake: On Mon, 30 May 2005 15:09:41 GMT, "toller" wrote: Now will someone please explain why a private citizen should be able to , and perhaps use, armor piercing bullets? I hope you are kidding! If you ban armor piecing bullets, it is just a hop skip and a jump to banning other gun related items. And then where would we be? In a few years hence, discussing the banning for pointy knives, probably followed by pointy sticks, then various pieces of sports equipment that could cause blunt force trauma; say things like baseball bats or golf clubs. ....followed by things which could strange you, such as all rope, wire, belts, bandanas, even long-sleeved pants! The horrors! ------------------------------------------------------------ California's 4 Seasons: Fire, Flood, Drought, & Earthquake -------------------------------------- http://www.diversify.com NoteSHADES(tm) glare guards |
If we can't have points on knives, how am I going to put new holes in my belts as I get fatter? Utility knife, and "Exacto" knife companies will have to go out of business because they are worthless without a point. I guess I will also have to give up my skew chizels also!
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Greetings and salutations...
On Mon, 30 May 2005 15:13:10 GMT, "toller" wrote: As many of you may be aware, (from the "you can't make this stuff up department"), several physicians in England are advocating that "long pointy knives" be banned from the general public's availability, saying, "Government action to ban the sale of such knives," they wrote, "would drastically reduce their availability over the course of a few years." It is not "quite" as silly as it sounds. I have used chef's knives for 30 years and have never used the point; occasionally on one of the smaller knives, but never on the big ones. If the point serves no purpose, and eliminating it would prevent a few crimes of passion; why not? Actually, it reminds me of a time when, in a D&D campaign, one of the players saw two guys beating the living daylights out of each other. Being a peacemaker, she ran up to the fighters and yelled "Stop it! This Violence is Pointless!". From the middle of the whirlwind of fists, maces, etc, a chorus came: "It had BETTER be... we're both Clerics!". Now after this moment of geekiness...back to the topic at hand... Regards dave mundt |
In article , Dave Mundt
wrote: "It had BETTER be... we're both Clerics!". ROFL! I got that first time through! -- ~ Stay Calm... Be Brave... Wait for the Signs ~ ------------------------------------------------------ One site: http://www.balderstone.ca The other site, with ww linkshttp://www.woodenwabbits.com |
toller wrote:
As many of you may be aware, (from the "you can't make this stuff up department"), several physicians in England are advocating that "long pointy knives" be banned from the general public's availability, saying, "Government action to ban the sale of such knives," they wrote, "would drastically reduce their availability over the course of a few years." It is not "quite" as silly as it sounds. I have used chef's knives for 30 years and have never used the point; occasionally on one of the smaller knives, but never on the big ones. If the point serves no purpose, and eliminating it would prevent a few crimes of passion; why not? One normally uses the edge of the saber, not the point. And a skilled hand with the saber can make anyone not similarly armed or wearing armor messily dead in about 5 seconds. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
On Mon, 30 May 2005 21:48:35 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote: In article , Dave Mundt wrote: "It had BETTER be... we're both Clerics!". ROFL! I got that first time through! Scary isn't it? Signs of a geekspent youth. ;-) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
On Sun, 29 May 2005 18:37:58 -0700, Mark & Juanita
wrote: As many of you may be aware, (from the "you can't make this stuff up department"), several physicians in England are advocating that "long pointy knives" be banned from the general public's availability, saying, "Government action to ban the sale of such knives," they wrote, "would drastically reduce their availability over the course of a few years." From a survey of several folks in the US, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158032,00.html Since, those, who in the past have derided gun control as going after the wrong probelm by asking "what are they going to ban next, knives?" have now been justified in their line of questioning, the following should cause woodworkers, and particularly the woodworkers in this group,no little concern: Someone with whom I have never agreed in my life actually asked the following question, "Can sharp stick control be far behind?" wondered LaPierre's erstwhile opponent, Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence" Of course, he said this tongue in cheek, but still .... Ick. From the various snippets I've heard about wood harvesting in England, it may already be a non-issue, but I can't imagine that'd make it any easier to get a chain saw! The keeper of the Pointy Stick web page better take care, he may be considered a violence enabler in the future. ;-) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
Prometheus wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2005 18:37:58 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote: [snip] Someone with whom I have never agreed in my life actually asked the following question, "Can sharp stick control be far behind?" wondered LaPierre's erstwhile opponent, Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence" Of course, he said this tongue in cheek, but still .... What is tongue in cheek about this? My two-inch elementary school scissors were taken last time I went on an airplane. The ends were no more pointy than the non-business end of a ballpoint pen. "Dangerous" was what I was told. If I'd been wearing open-toed shoes would they have made me clip (or remove) my toenails? Josie |
On Tue, 31 May 2005 00:15:42 -0400, J. Clarke
wrote: toller wrote: As many of you may be aware, (from the "you can't make this stuff up department"), several physicians in England are advocating that "long pointy knives" be banned from the general public's availability, saying, "Government action to ban the sale of such knives," they wrote, "would drastically reduce their availability over the course of a few years." It is not "quite" as silly as it sounds. I have used chef's knives for 30 years and have never used the point; occasionally on one of the smaller knives, but never on the big ones. If the point serves no purpose, and eliminating it would prevent a few crimes of passion; why not? HAH! EVERYONE knows that the best stabbling knife is the boning knife, which MUST be pointy. |
Greetings and Salutations....
On Tue, 31 May 2005 09:35:10 -0400, "firstjois" wrote: Prometheus wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2005 18:37:58 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote: [snip] Someone with whom I have never agreed in my life actually asked the following question, "Can sharp stick control be far behind?" wondered LaPierre's erstwhile opponent, Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence" Of course, he said this tongue in cheek, but still .... What is tongue in cheek about this? My two-inch elementary school scissors were taken last time I went on an airplane. The ends were no more pointy than the non-business end of a ballpoint pen. "Dangerous" was what I was told. If I'd been wearing open-toed shoes would they have made me clip (or remove) my toenails? Josie Now that we have had several years of these unconstitutional collections, and, the Feds have displayed (with amazing pride) the millions of nail files, blunt scissors and other items that they have collected "to make travel safer", I wonder if anyone has considered (or cares) that before 9/11 travellers were carrying all these and more lethal items, yet, how many incidents of folks being attacked and wounded or killed on airline flights where there? How many flights have been hijacked by idiots wielding blunt scissors, nail-files or zippo lighters? But then, I am one of those "gun nuts" who believes that the problem on 9/11 was not that there were too many weapons on those planes, but, that there were too few. I suspect that having a few folks on the plane with CCW permits AND their weapons would have changed the outcome of the event considerably. I also think that this "airport security" thing is more smoke and mirrors, designed more to make the citizens THINK that something is being done, rather than a strong effort to actually improve safety in America. It is also getting us used to the idea of random searches as being acceptable and normal...part of that slippery slope towards totalitarianism that America seems to be on. I could be wrong, and, it could be that these unreasonable searches and siezures have foiled a number of hijack plots involving nail files and blunt scissors...but I doubt it. About the only thing that I can see that has really helped the situation is the increased quality of the door and partition between the cockpit and the rest of the plane. Making it impossible (or at least very difficult) to get in there to take over the controls goes a long way towards changing the threat of a hijacking. The bottom line is that there was a time, not that long ago, when travel in America was a pleasure and a recreation. Now, though, it is a difficult chore that few folks look forewards to getting caught up in. That, I think, is a sad fact that means that the terrorists DID win. Over this past Memorial Day holiday, I spent some time meditating on the sacrifices made by so many Americans both for this country and for countries around the world. I can only hope that the citizens of today will, somehow, have it dawn on them that security is not the responsibility of the government, but the responsiblity of every citizen. We need to take back responsibility and not push it off on the Feds, as that is the only way America can survive and stay on a positive track. Regards Dave Mundt |
On Tue, 31 May 2005 17:06:47 GMT, Dave Mundt wrote:
But then, I am one of those "gun nuts" who believes that the problem on 9/11 was not that there were too many weapons on those planes, but, that there were too few. I suspect that having a few folks on the plane with CCW permits AND their weapons would have changed the outcome of the event considerably. Absolutely correct. It's absolutely mind-boggling that people get in a tizzy about the thought of - gasp - pilots arming themselves if they choose to. Hell, we trust 'em with a plane full of people, I _think_ they can be trusted with a firearm, FFS. There seems to be a common thread; people see the object as the threat, rather than the person using it. It's cliche', but dammit, the machine doesn't do anything it's not told to do. In the criminal/terrorist's hands, it's a danger to you. In my hands, it's a danger to _them_. Me, I'd prefer to keep our criminals and terrorists ...uneasy... |
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