Hi all;

We just bought a new house with a 20 x 30 detached shop, that has the
following Craftsman tools:

10" Table Saw (113.298843)
6 1/8" Jointer/Planer (351.227240)
10" Compound Miter Saw (315.212100)
15" Drill Press (113.213151)
12" Band Saw - 2 Speed (113.248321)
6" Grinder (319.190622)
Sander/Grinder (351.226760)

It also has a Craftsman Whole Shop Dust Collector (9-29964) attached to a
Craftsman 16 gallon shop vac (113.177060)

So, I am as happy as can be

There is also lots of room for my father's 10" Radial Arm Saw (113.29461)
that he is giving me.

Now for the questions

1) Should this be a gloat? (grin)

2) I seem to recall from my days as a lurker that there could be a problem
with static electricity and basically home built DC's - would this system
need grounding? (As far as I recall, this involves running a bare wire down
the DC's tubes?

3) Does anyone else have this table saw, and if so, have you updated the
fence, or does it work fine for a beginning woodworker?

4) The front rail on the table saw is wider than the rear rail - did the
previous owner forget something, or is this normal?

I will probably have many more questions, but I think we can leave it here
for now.

On Thu, 26 May 2005 17:15:16 GMT, "Karl Mitschke"
wrote:


We just bought a new house with a 20 x 30 detached shop, that has the
following Craftsman tools:

10" Table Saw (113.298843)
6 1/8" Jointer/Planer (351.227240)
10" Compound Miter Saw (315.212100)
15" Drill Press (113.213151)
12" Band Saw - 2 Speed (113.248321)
6" Grinder (319.190622)
Sander/Grinder (351.226760)

It also has a Craftsman Whole Shop Dust Collector (9-29964) attached to a
Craftsman 16 gallon shop vac (113.177060)

So, I am as happy as can be

There is also lots of room for my father's 10" Radial Arm Saw (113.29461)
that he is giving me.

Now for the questions

1) Should this be a gloat? (grin)

Sure. Go for it. A new shop (especially 600 ft^2), even with crapsman
tools is better than no shop.

2) I seem to recall from my days as a lurker that there could be a problem
with static electricity and basically home built DC's - would this system
need grounding? (As far as I recall, this involves running a bare wire down
the DC's tubes?

No.

3) Does anyone else have this table saw, and if so, have you updated the
fence, or does it work fine for a beginning woodworker?

Had one similar to it. Upgrade the fence. Take a look at the Vega or
HTC (Bies clones for a little less money). Also check out the
Biesemeyer website (http://www.biesemeyer.com) and look at the
scratch-n-dent section (I can't remember exactly what it's called, but
you get the idea).

4) The front rail on the table saw is wider than the rear rail - did the
previous owner forget something, or is this normal?

Are you talking fence rail or are you talking about the amount of cast
iron before and after the blade? The fence rail question would be moot
once you've followed the instructions in (3) above.

If the table saw is the ubiquitous sears table saw from the '50s
through the '90s, the table (minus side extensions) measures about 27"
deep, and is a monolithic block of cast iron. Nothing to bolt on or
leave off.

If your saw isn't of that variety, please ignore the foregoing.


--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

1) Should this be a gloat? (grin)

No. Technically it's a neener. Which is not to say that you are not
justified to be tickled pink with a new shop.

2) I seem to recall from my days as a lurker that there could be a problem
with static electricity and basically home built DC's - would this system
need grounding? (As far as I recall, this involves running a bare wire
down
the DC's tubes?

No. Explosions of home shop dust systems are an urban myth.

3) Does anyone else have this table saw, and if so, have you updated the
fence, or does it work fine for a beginning woodworker?

I had one. I found that an upgrade to a Vega fence was a worthwhile
investment. But use what you have for a while and see how it works with your
skill level and project needs

4) The front rail on the table saw is wider than the rear rail - did the
previous owner forget something, or is this normal?

I don't recall how if there was a difference. If the fence locks in place,
then it's fine.

-Steve

You know, Elrod, I'm resisting the urge to overreact here. Here we have
Karl posting to share his excitement and good fortune in a way (gloat
or neener) that is generally accepted and encouraged, and you sieze the
opportunity to call everything in his shop "crap". Was that really your
intent? Did I miss the subtle humor?

Tom

Regarding #4, I think this is normal if your fence is at all shaped
like an upside-down T. Slide your fence to the extreme right or left,
and I think you'll have an 'A ha!' moment

On 26 May 2005 12:35:37 -0700, wrote:

You know, Elrod, I'm resisting the urge to overreact here. Here we have
Karl posting to share his excitement and good fortune in a way (gloat
or neener) that is generally accepted and encouraged, and you sieze the
opportunity to call everything in his shop "crap". Was that really your
intent? Did I miss the subtle humor?

Well, I thought I included enough good information for him that a
little wreck phraseology wouldn't hurt. I will say that having had
each of those tools (with the exception of the miter saw and the
sander; you can verify that on my webpage) plus others, I can speak
with some authority, and much of that experience does not rule out the
appellation.

So, Karl, if you took offense at my paraphrasing of the brand name of
your shop tools, as is the custom here at the wreck, I apologize.
Actually, I apologize whether you took offense or not.

Except that the fence on the saw (if it's like mine was) is crap, no
matter how anyone feels about it.

--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

2) Oh no!!! Not the dreaded DC question again. I'm afraid you ask this
question at you own risk.

1) I think you should gloat, grin, neener and HAAAA! Congradulations.

Any chance you'd like to adopt. I have a tool dowry.

I am NOT going to comment on the machines... You will learn soon
enough which will satisfy you...But at leats you have a GREAT jump
start into the owwdworking hobby....

I wanted to comment on that shop vac Dust Collection Sytstem...
I think it is the small 1 3/4 or 2 inch tubes with small plastic blast
gates... Not sure...
But if it is...you got a good central vac system . and a pretty
darn poor Dust collection system...

I run 2 Dust collectors in my shop... a small 1 HP Penn State unit and
a 2 Hp Grizz unit...

PLUS I have that Sears System .. which I have running around the
walls and straight down the center of my ceiling with branches with
drops... . This was installed as a vaccuming system..not as a dust
collector... and as such it works great...I can pick up a single 8
foot hose and reach every square inch of my shop without dragging the
shop vac a single inch...and the vac is enclosed in a box which keeps
the noise down ...

BUT as a DUST Collection system... it is honestly about as useful as
a very dull saw blade....yea it does something but it does not do it
well ... I tested it against both my real DC's and while it does
"suck" better ..it sure does not move much air ...dust particles are
floating around an inch from the pick up point and are not removed
from the air...

My other comment is that IF I were to sell my house I honestly
beilieve I would sell my shop "complete" rather then try to transport
my machines and set up shop again...easier just to start from scratch
and do it my "revised" way... Never thought about giveing a young
guy a head start in woodworking...

Bob G.




On Thu, 26 May 2005 17:15:16 GMT, "Karl Mitschke"
wrote:

Hi all;

We just bought a new house with a 20 x 30 detached shop, that has the
following Craftsman tools:

10" Table Saw (113.298843)
6 1/8" Jointer/Planer (351.227240)
10" Compound Miter Saw (315.212100)
15" Drill Press (113.213151)
12" Band Saw - 2 Speed (113.248321)
6" Grinder (319.190622)
Sander/Grinder (351.226760)

It also has a Craftsman Whole Shop Dust Collector (9-29964) attached to a
Craftsman 16 gallon shop vac (113.177060)

So, I am as happy as can be

There is also lots of room for my father's 10" Radial Arm Saw (113.29461)
that he is giving me.

Now for the questions

1) Should this be a gloat? (grin)

2) I seem to recall from my days as a lurker that there could be a problem
with static electricity and basically home built DC's - would this system
need grounding? (As far as I recall, this involves running a bare wire down
the DC's tubes?

3) Does anyone else have this table saw, and if so, have you updated the
fence, or does it work fine for a beginning woodworker?

4) The front rail on the table saw is wider than the rear rail - did the
previous owner forget something, or is this normal?

I will probably have many more questions, but I think we can leave it here
for now.

Karl
Regardless whether it's a "neener" or "gloat", YOU SUCK!! )

A detached shop....nice - ENJOY!!

Nick B

"Karl Mitschke" wrote in message
...
Hi all;

We just bought a new house with a 20 x 30 detached shop, that has the
following Craftsman tools:

10" Table Saw (113.298843)
6 1/8" Jointer/Planer (351.227240)
10" Compound Miter Saw (315.212100)
15" Drill Press (113.213151)
12" Band Saw - 2 Speed (113.248321)
6" Grinder (319.190622)
Sander/Grinder (351.226760)

It also has a Craftsman Whole Shop Dust Collector (9-29964) attached to a
Craftsman 16 gallon shop vac (113.177060)

So, I am as happy as can be

There is also lots of room for my father's 10" Radial Arm Saw (113.29461)
that he is giving me.

Now for the questions

1) Should this be a gloat? (grin)

2) I seem to recall from my days as a lurker that there could be a problem
with static electricity and basically home built DC's - would this system
need grounding? (As far as I recall, this involves running a bare wire
down the DC's tubes?

3) Does anyone else have this table saw, and if so, have you updated the
fence, or does it work fine for a beginning woodworker?

4) The front rail on the table saw is wider than the rear rail - did the
previous owner forget something, or is this normal?

I will probably have many more questions, but I think we can leave it here
for now.

Karl Mitschke wrote:
4) The front rail on the table saw is wider than the rear rail - did the
previous owner forget something, or is this normal?

Hi Karl,

Regarding the fence being wider at the front than the back, my mid-90s
craftsman is the same way. For some reason, they made them with about a 5'
wide fence on the front and only about a 4' one on the back. It doesn't
make any sense to me since the fence has to lock on both the front and back
rail so you can only go out as far as the back fence. I'm still using the
stock fence and it works OK for me (not great but OK). My only real
complaint about this saw is the splitter constantly comes loose and binds
up.

Lance