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what is a fender washer?
what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
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wrote in message ups.com... what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used? A fender washer has a larger than normal outside diameter for the size of the center hole. The purpose is to cover the slotted adjustment holes normally found in some fenders and body panels. |
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Dear alanh_27:
wrote in message ups.com... what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used? Just to add a little to John Kunkel's response... They also help distribute loading, when the bolted joint is into/includes sheet metal. Serves to stiffen up the bolted area. David A. Smith |
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"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in
message news:rZWDd.23751$CH5.11854@fed1read01... | Dear alanh_27: | | wrote in message | ups.com... | what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used? | | Just to add a little to John Kunkel's response... | They also help distribute loading, when the bolted joint is into/includes | sheet metal. Serves to stiffen up the bolted area. | | David A. Smith Sort of. Usually not very strong, so they tend to sink a lot if you torque them down to a reasonable amount. I've brazed a smaller washer on top of a fender washer to stiffen one up, just stacking them only goes so far. Actually, I needed it to remove and replace some bearings from the front axle of my 4x4 truck. Had a 5/8" allthread going the length of the axle and you couldn't get washers the right diameter with a 5/8" hole in it. Lots of wrenching going on that day! |
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A little guy name Jose' who works down at my local car wash.
He's not tall enough to wash the top of the car, just the fenders. carl mciver wrote: "N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:rZWDd.23751$CH5.11854@fed1read01... | Dear alanh_27: | | wrote in message | ups.com... | what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used? | | Just to add a little to John Kunkel's response... | They also help distribute loading, when the bolted joint is into/includes | sheet metal. Serves to stiffen up the bolted area. | | David A. Smith Sort of. Usually not very strong, so they tend to sink a lot if you torque them down to a reasonable amount. I've brazed a smaller washer on top of a fender washer to stiffen one up, just stacking them only goes so far. Actually, I needed it to remove and replace some bearings from the front axle of my 4x4 truck. Had a 5/8" allthread going the length of the axle and you couldn't get washers the right diameter with a 5/8" hole in it. Lots of wrenching going on that day! |
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STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!! |
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wrote: A little guy name Jose' who works down at my local car wash. He's not tall enough to wash the top of the car, just the fenders. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You can buy at your neighborhood electric guitar store parts department. |
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"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders on, or fend off denting? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers." |
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"John Kunkel" wrote in message
... wrote in message ups.com... what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used? A fender washer has a larger than normal outside diameter for the size of the center hole. The purpose is to cover the slotted adjustment holes normally found in some fenders and body panels. We call them 'penny washers' in the UK, because they are about the same size as an old penny. Leon |
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Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders on, or fend off denting? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers." Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first kiss. I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the old chromed bumpers onto their brackets. Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
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Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Leo Lichtman wrote: "Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders on, or fend off denting? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers." Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first kiss. I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the old chromed bumpers onto their brackets. Jeff I can remember when Sunoco 260 cost .25 a gallon! John |
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Leon Heller wrote:
"John Kunkel" wrote in message ... wrote in message roups.com... what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used? A fender washer has a larger than normal outside diameter for the size of the center hole. The purpose is to cover the slotted adjustment holes normally found in some fenders and body panels. We call them 'penny washers' in the UK, because they are about the same size as an old penny. Leon That is what happened to all of those old Pennies! Our 1/2" hole type are typically 2" or more. Martin -- Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder |
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I remember when you pumped Woco Pep up into a glass container with
gallon marks, then let gravity take it to the auto's gas tank. Actually, we had a mule & wagon that ran on hay. Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings |
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"Arch" wrote: (clip)Actually, we had a mule & wagon that ran on hay. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Were you a farm boy too? Not only do I remember a horse that ran on hay--he would lie down on straw. |
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Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Leo Lichtman wrote: "Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders on, or fend off denting? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers." Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first kiss. Actually, those "wussy things" will take a higher speed impact without damage other than scratches than will the ones when cars HAD bumpers. The reason for the "wussy things" is that the government wasn't satisfied with the strength of the existing bumpers and required that they be made stronger--to do that they had to be made with some "give" which meant using flexible materials which meant scratches. Personally I think it was a bad idea--the "wussy things" work fine up to their design speed but above that they cost a _lot_ more to fix than the old fashioned kind because the pieces that make them able to survive impacts at the required speed get broken and have to be replaced. I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the old chromed bumpers onto their brackets. Jeff -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:53:07 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote: It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers." Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first kiss. I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the old chromed bumpers onto their brackets. Jeff I can remember when you jacked up a car by the bumper. Nowdays hit a curb and its $800 in repairs Gunner "The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." -- P.J O'Rourke (1989) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:08:02 -0500, Leo Van Der Loo
wrote: STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!! Would you damned wood turners please stop typing in caps!! Besides this is a metal working site, and we dont work to 1/8" and call it precison. Wood butcher!! And you cut down Gods Trees to do your damned criminal work. We only dig up mountains for our materials! So there! BRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP! Gunner "The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." -- P.J O'Rourke (1989) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Just for the fun of it ;-) When on a boat in the USA or Canada the word
bumper is used to identify a protective rubber rail or similar device permanently mounted on the freeboards of a boat to absorb small impacts. Fenders are not permanently mounted and are attached with ropes to the deck rail when needed as an additional protection when docking, rafting or other situations that can cause damages. When you see a tug boat with numerous black tires attached with rope on its freeboards they are used as fenders. FWIW. "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:53:07 -0500, Jeff Wisnia wrote: It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers." Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first kiss. I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the old chromed bumpers onto their brackets. Jeff I can remember when you jacked up a car by the bumper. Nowdays hit a curb and its $800 in repairs Gunner "The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know." -- P.J O'Rourke (1989) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ |
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...and the acute embarrassment of a callow youth when the horse answered
nature's call, magnificently, while your girl was sitting on the buckboard beside you. Later, running boards and rumble seats were a happy advance. Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings |
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I remember laying down in the straw, but not with the horse. Had much
better company. "Leo Lichtman" wrote in message ... "Arch" wrote: (clip)Actually, we had a mule & wagon that ran on hay. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Were you a farm boy too? Not only do I remember a horse that ran on hay--he would lie down on straw. |
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A fender washer was used back in the thirties to sixties cars to allow a
large mounting hole to be built into the fender of the car to give it some adjustability at assembly. A typically 5/16" bolt would go through the fender washer, and a corresponding rubber washer, the fender and screw into the body. The OD of the fender washer was in the 1 1/2" range and is thin to allow it to form to the application, not flatten the fender if it is curved in that area. The rubber is a gasket to help keep water at bay. The bolts usually had a flanged head with serrations to lock it in place. If your looking for structure then your not looking for fender washers. lg no neat sig line wrote in message ups.com... what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used? |
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"Henry" wrote: I remember laying down in the straw, but not with the horse. Had much better company. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think you must be using the word "laying" in a much more memorable sense than I did. |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:08:02 -0500, Leo Van Der Loo wrote: STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!! Would you damned wood turners please stop typing in caps!! Besides this is a metal working site, and we dont work to 1/8" and call it precison. Wood butcher!! And you cut down Gods Trees to do your damned criminal work. We only dig up mountains for our materials! So there! BRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP! Gunner Chuckle! That sucker has no idea who he's messing with, does he? Give him hell, Gunner. Harold |
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wrote in message ups.com... what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used? By few of us a fender washer is used to keep brass pipe against a mandrel while drawing the pipe to a larger diameter. LB |
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add to below "fender welting" - mostly not used now, but my older cars all
have it to go between fender and body - reduces squeak, keeps water out of the joint - wethers and disintegrates so you have an excuse to remove the fenders and do it over again. "larry g" wrote in message ... A fender washer was used back in the thirties to sixties cars to allow a large mounting hole to be built into the fender of the car to give it some adjustability at assembly. A typically 5/16" bolt would go through the fender washer, and a corresponding rubber washer, the fender and screw into the body. The OD of the fender washer was in the 1 1/2" range and is thin to allow it to form to the application, not flatten the fender if it is curved in that area. The rubber is a gasket to help keep water at bay. The bolts usually had a flanged head with serrations to lock it in place. If your looking for structure then your not looking for fender washers. lg no neat sig line wrote in message ups.com... what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used? |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:02:19 -0800, Richard Riley
wrote: Gunner, could we talk you into hanging out in rec.aviation.homebuilt some? You got style. Argghhh! Please please please, if you want more Gunnervision, have him copy his junk to your mailbox. Because if he starts polluting RAH with his political bull****, I'm gonna' make sure that everybody knows who invited him. :-) Wayne |
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If this is a serious question, I'll give a serious answer.
A fender washer is similar to a normal washer except that the matal disk is much larger in proportion to the hole. In a normal 1/4" washer, for example, the outside diameter is about 1/2". A 1/4" fender washer will have a 1/4" hole in a 2" disk. Fender washers are mainly used in automotive applications, hence the name. The larger diameter of the disk spreads out the force of the bolt so the fender is not distorted. There are other applications around the shop, too. One of them is if you're going through your miscellaneous jars of screws and bolts to hold something together and your found bolt is too loose for the hole and you need a washer to fill the gap, the fender washer fills the bill nicely. Or, if you're using thin material and don't want to pull through the 1/4" plywood, for example, it would have a similar effect as if used on an actual fender of a car--it spreads the force of the pull between nut and bolt. -Jim Gott- San Jose, CA |
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