what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

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what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

A fender washer has a larger than normal outside diameter for the size of
the center hole. The purpose is to cover the slotted adjustment holes
normally found in some fenders and body panels.

Dear alanh_27:

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what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

Just to add a little to John Kunkel's response...
They also help distribute loading, when the bolted joint is into/includes
sheet metal. Serves to stiffen up the bolted area.

David A. Smith

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| Dear alanh_27:
|
| wrote in message
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| what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
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| Just to add a little to John Kunkel's response...
| They also help distribute loading, when the bolted joint is into/includes
| sheet metal. Serves to stiffen up the bolted area.
|
| David A. Smith

Sort of. Usually not very strong, so they tend to sink a lot if you
torque them down to a reasonable amount. I've brazed a smaller washer on
top of a fender washer to stiffen one up, just stacking them only goes so
far. Actually, I needed it to remove and replace some bearings from the
front axle of my 4x4 truck. Had a 5/8" allthread going the length of the
axle and you couldn't get washers the right diameter with a 5/8" hole in it.
Lots of wrenching going on that day!

A little guy name Jose' who works down at my local car wash.
He's not tall enough to wash the top of the car, just the fenders.



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| Dear alanh_27:
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| wrote in message
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| what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?
|
| Just to add a little to John Kunkel's response...
| They also help distribute loading, when the bolted joint is into/includes
| sheet metal. Serves to stiffen up the bolted area.
|
| David A. Smith

Sort of. Usually not very strong, so they tend to sink a lot if you
torque them down to a reasonable amount. I've brazed a smaller washer on
top of a fender washer to stiffen one up, just stacking them only goes so
far. Actually, I needed it to remove and replace some bearings from the
front axle of my 4x4 truck. Had a 5/8" allthread going the length of the
axle and you couldn't get washers the right diameter with a 5/8" hole in it.
Lots of wrenching going on that day!

wrote:

what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?


OK, so what's the etemology?

Did they hold fenders on, or fend off denting?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!!

wrote: A little guy name Jose' who works down at my local car
wash. He's not tall enough to wash the top of the car, just the fenders.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You can buy at your neighborhood electric guitar store parts department.

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders on,
or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."

"John Kunkel" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
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what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

A fender washer has a larger than normal outside diameter for the size of
the center hole. The purpose is to cover the slotted adjustment holes
normally found in some fenders and body panels.

We call them 'penny washers' in the UK, because they are about the same size
as an old penny.

Leon

Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders on,
or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."


Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
kiss.

I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders
on, or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because
they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."


Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
kiss.

I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.

Jeff

I can remember when Sunoco 260 cost .25 a gallon!
John

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 03:01:15 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:


"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders on,
or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."

On my 1950 Austin A-40, the "fenders" couldn't fend off much more than
your average red squirrel.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Leon Heller wrote:

"John Kunkel" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
roups.com...

what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

A fender washer has a larger than normal outside diameter for the size of
the center hole. The purpose is to cover the slotted adjustment holes
normally found in some fenders and body panels.


We call them 'penny washers' in the UK, because they are about the same size
as an old penny.

Leon


That is what happened to all of those old Pennies!

Our 1/2" hole type are typically 2" or more.

Martin

--
Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

UltraJohn wrote:
Jeff Wisnia wrote:


Leo Lichtman wrote:

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders
on, or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because
they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."



Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
kiss.

I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.

Jeff


I can remember when Sunoco 260 cost .25 a gallon!
John

I remember when I could put $5.00 worth of gas in my dads Tri Pacer and
go fly for a couple of hours.

Jerry

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:53:07 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:

Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders on,
or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."


Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
kiss.

I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.

Pickups still have bumpers, Jeff.

On 8 Jan 2005 10:20:43 -0800, wrote:

what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

When you can't afford to have the whole car washed?

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders
on, or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because
they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."


Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
kiss.

Actually, those "wussy things" will take a higher speed impact without
damage other than scratches than will the ones when cars HAD bumpers. The
reason for the "wussy things" is that the government wasn't satisfied with
the strength of the existing bumpers and required that they be made
stronger--to do that they had to be made with some "give" which meant using
flexible materials which meant scratches.

Personally I think it was a bad idea--the "wussy things" work fine up to
their design speed but above that they cost a _lot_ more to fix than the
old fashioned kind because the pieces that make them able to survive
impacts at the required speed get broken and have to be replaced.

I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.

Jeff


--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

your data on bumpers is correct, but obsolete - the 5 mph bumper requirement
was eliminated some time ago, and trust me, the new ones are beautiful, but
not terribly effective (body shop bill for being smooshed between two cars
on the freeway, I was stopped as was the car behind me) has crossed 10K and
climbing - around half of that is for front and rear bumpers.
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold
fenders
on, or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because
they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain,
fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."


Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
kiss.

Actually, those "wussy things" will take a higher speed impact without
damage other than scratches than will the ones when cars HAD bumpers. The
reason for the "wussy things" is that the government wasn't satisfied with
the strength of the existing bumpers and required that they be made
stronger--to do that they had to be made with some "give" which meant
using
flexible materials which meant scratches.

Personally I think it was a bad idea--the "wussy things" work fine up to
their design speed but above that they cost a _lot_ more to fix than the
old fashioned kind because the pieces that make them able to survive
impacts at the required speed get broken and have to be replaced.

I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.

Jeff


--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:53:07 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:

It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."


Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
kiss.

I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.

Jeff

I can remember when you jacked up a car by the bumper. Nowdays hit a
curb and its $800 in repairs

Gunner

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better,
on average, than the citizens of Baltimore.
True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee,
but why this is more stylish than
sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know."
-- P.J O'Rourke (1989)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:08:02 -0500, Leo Van Der Loo
wrote:



STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!!


Would you damned wood turners please stop typing in caps!! Besides
this is a metal working site, and we dont work to 1/8" and call it
precison.

Wood butcher!! And you cut down Gods Trees to do your damned criminal
work.
We only dig up mountains for our materials!

So there! BRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP!

Gunner

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better,
on average, than the citizens of Baltimore.
True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee,
but why this is more stylish than
sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know."
-- P.J O'Rourke (1989)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just for the fun of it ;-) When on a boat in the USA or Canada the word
bumper is used to identify a protective rubber rail or similar device
permanently mounted on the freeboards of a boat to absorb small impacts.
Fenders are not permanently mounted and are attached with ropes to the deck
rail when needed as an additional protection when docking, rafting or other
situations that can cause damages. When you see a tug boat with numerous
black tires attached with rope on its freeboards they are used as fenders.
FWIW.

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:53:07 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:

It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because
they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain,
fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."


Ah yes, and I'm old enough to remember when cars HAD bumpers, not the
wussy things they still call bumpers which get scarred from their first
kiss.

I also remember "bumper bolts"; Chromed carriage bolts which held the
old chromed bumpers onto their brackets.

Jeff

I can remember when you jacked up a car by the bumper. Nowdays hit a
curb and its $800 in repairs

Gunner

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any
better,
on average, than the citizens of Baltimore.
True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee,
but why this is more stylish than
sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know."
-- P.J O'Rourke (1989)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------

A fender washer was used back in the thirties to sixties cars to allow a
large mounting hole to be built into the fender of the car to give it some
adjustability at assembly. A typically 5/16" bolt would go through the
fender washer, and a corresponding rubber washer, the fender and screw into
the body. The OD of the fender washer was in the 1 1/2" range and is thin
to allow it to form to the application, not flatten the fender if it is
curved in that area. The rubber is a gasket to help keep water at bay. The
bolts usually had a flanged head with serrations to lock it in place. If
your looking for structure then your not looking for fender washers.
lg
no neat sig line
wrote in message
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what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:08:02 -0500, Leo Van Der Loo
wrote:



STOP THE CROSS POSTING PLEASE, THIS IS A WOOD TURNING SITE !!!


Would you damned wood turners please stop typing in caps!! Besides
this is a metal working site, and we dont work to 1/8" and call it
precison.

Wood butcher!! And you cut down Gods Trees to do your damned criminal
work.
We only dig up mountains for our materials!

So there! BRAAAAAAAPPPPPPPP!

Gunner


Chuckle! That sucker has no idea who he's messing with, does he? Give him
hell, Gunner.

Harold

wrote in message
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what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?


By few of us a fender washer is used to keep brass pipe against a mandrel
while drawing the pipe to a larger diameter.

LB

add to below "fender welting" - mostly not used now, but my older cars all
have it to go between fender and body - reduces squeak, keeps water out of
the joint - wethers and disintegrates so you have an excuse to remove the
fenders and do it over again.


"larry g" wrote in message
...
A fender washer was used back in the thirties to sixties cars to allow a
large mounting hole to be built into the fender of the car to give it some
adjustability at assembly. A typically 5/16" bolt would go through the
fender washer, and a corresponding rubber washer, the fender and screw
into
the body. The OD of the fender washer was in the 1 1/2" range and is thin
to allow it to form to the application, not flatten the fender if it is
curved in that area. The rubber is a gasket to help keep water at bay.
The
bolts usually had a flanged head with serrations to lock it in place. If
your looking for structure then your not looking for fender washers.
lg
no neat sig line
wrote in message
ups.com...
what is a fender washer? in which situation is it used?

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 03:01:15 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:


"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders
on,
or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because
they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."

On my 1950 Austin A-40, the "fenders" couldn't fend off much more than
your average red squirrel.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

fenders fend off stones that your own front wheels would fling at you.
Pat

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:02:19 -0800, Richard Riley
wrote:

Gunner, could we talk you into hanging out in rec.aviation.homebuilt
some? You got style.

Argghhh! Please please please, if you want more Gunnervision, have him
copy his junk to your mailbox. Because if he starts polluting RAH with
his political bull****, I'm gonna' make sure that everybody knows who
invited him. :-)

Wayne

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:03:32 -0500, "Pat Ford"
wrote:


"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 03:01:15 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:


"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: OK, so what's the etemology? Did they hold fenders
on,
or fend off denting?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's the same etymology, Jeff. Fenders on a car are so named because
they
fend off other cars, or possibly cows. Incidentally, in Britain, fenders
really can fend off things--they are what Americans call "bumpers."

On my 1950 Austin A-40, the "fenders" couldn't fend off much more than
your average red squirrel.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

fenders fend off stones that your own front wheels would fling at you.
Pat

Nawh, dem's what the Brits call "wings." On second son's old chevy
pick-um-up, they act like wings, too.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Wood washer. This washer looks like a fender washer. It is used in aircraft so
it would spread the force around a large area and not deform the wood.