While perusing the 500 Bowls books, I discovered a new mind game. Cover
the titles and think of one for yourself. Uncover and consider if your
impression of the piece's meaning etc. agrees with the maker's concept
or message. I flunked, which triggered another unrequested musing.

Most art forms are titled or at least have a descriptive name. Not many
movies, paintings, poems (except maybe limericks 'G'), novels, music
scores, and on and on are nameless. Do we really care that she was
'Whistler's Mother' or see that she was grey? Why should some bowles
(sic,'G') have a descriptive name or a title? Is there an aristocracy
of bowles?... what happened to democracy? Is it all to do with the
maker's fancy or are there some specific reasons to title some bowles
while others are left naked and untitled? How about numbers, series and
maker's marks and chops?

[ As an aside, I'm beginning to wonder if some bowles whose picture is
published again & again, over & over to near nausea, should be notched
for easy recognition of an old, but sometimes tiresome, friend. Maybe
they are clones? More likely it's playing the name recognition game. 'G'
]

I heard that only art can communicate without using language. If true,
why a written title? Some of you art, psychology, communication or
marketing aristocrats pleae tell the bourgeoise when when we should name
that bowle. Arch

Fortiter,


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

For the same reason that some feel it necessary to display their
philosophical positions, I guess. Sets them apart from hoi polloi.

I named a recently completed run my "Budweiser" collection, but nobody
figured out that the pieces were all made of beechwood, aged.

"Arch" wrote in message
...
While perusing the 500 Bowls books, I discovered a new mind game. Cover
the titles and think of one for yourself. Uncover and consider if your
impression of the piece's meaning etc. agrees with the maker's concept
or message. I flunked, which triggered another unrequested musing.

Arch ponders :"Why should some bowles (sic,'G') have a descriptive name or a
title?

Perhaps for indexing purposes at the back of the book.

-Kevin

"Arch" wrote in message
...
While perusing the 500 Bowls books, I discovered a new mind game. Cover
the titles and think of one for yourself. Uncover and consider if your
impression of the piece's meaning etc. agrees with the maker's concept
or message. I flunked, which triggered another unrequested musing.

Most art forms are titled or at least have a descriptive name. Not many
movies, paintings, poems (except maybe limericks 'G'), novels, music
scores, and on and on are nameless. Do we really care that she was
'Whistler's Mother' or see that she was grey? Why should some bowles
(sic,'G') have a descriptive name or a title? Is there an aristocracy
of bowles?... what happened to democracy? Is it all to do with the
maker's fancy or are there some specific reasons to title some bowles
while others are left naked and untitled? How about numbers, series and
maker's marks and chops?

[ As an aside, I'm beginning to wonder if some bowles whose picture is
published again & again, over & over to near nausea, should be notched
for easy recognition of an old, but sometimes tiresome, friend. Maybe
they are clones? More likely it's playing the name recognition game. 'G'
]

I heard that only art can communicate without using language. If true,
why a written title? Some of you art, psychology, communication or
marketing aristocrats pleae tell the bourgeoise when when we should name
that bowle. Arch

Fortiter,


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

(Arch) wrote:

I heard that only art can communicate without using language. If true,
why a written title? Some of you art, psychology, communication or
marketing aristocrats pleae tell the bourgeoise when when we should name
that bowle. Arch



Glad you're back and apparently safe and sound, though it looks like all
that wind stirred some dusty corners. )

'Bowle' calls to mind the 'Old, Vintage, Antiques' I see on e-bay from time
to time. I've spent many a minute musing over that one, since 'antique'
usually jacks the price, as does 'vintage'. But, does 'Old' cancel out
'Antique' or 'Vintage' or both? Or does 'Vintage' and 'Antique' square the
price and 'Old' cube it? Am I just 'Old' or an 'Old', 'Vintage' 'Antique'
and can I charge more for stuff I make?

LD

"Kevin" wrote:

Arch ponders :"Why should some bowles (sic,'G') have a descriptive
name or a title?

Perhaps for indexing purposes at the back of the book.


Yeah, but if they put General Patton in an index you kinda know what you'll
find on that page. 'Music of the Bowles Seies' might call to mind last
night's burrito.

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:23:26 -0400, (Arch) wrote:

a name is only good AFTER someone buys it for a lot of money...

Whistler's might have painted his whole family tree and only got one
good offer..

"chisle" isn't exactly a catchy marketing name, but a few folks bought
them when they came out...

While perusing the 500 Bowls books, I discovered a new mind game. Cover
the titles and think of one for yourself. Uncover and consider if your
impression of the piece's meaning etc. agrees with the maker's concept
or message. I flunked, which triggered another unrequested musing.

Most art forms are titled or at least have a descriptive name. Not many
movies, paintings, poems (except maybe limericks 'G'), novels, music
scores, and on and on are nameless. Do we really care that she was
'Whistler's Mother' or see that she was grey? Why should some bowles
(sic,'G') have a descriptive name or a title? Is there an aristocracy
of bowles?... what happened to democracy? Is it all to do with the
maker's fancy or are there some specific reasons to title some bowles
while others are left naked and untitled? How about numbers, series and
maker's marks and chops?

[ As an aside, I'm beginning to wonder if some bowles whose picture is
published again & again, over & over to near nausea, should be notched
for easy recognition of an old, but sometimes tiresome, friend. Maybe
they are clones? More likely it's playing the name recognition game. 'G'
]

I heard that only art can communicate without using language. If true,
why a written title? Some of you art, psychology, communication or
marketing aristocrats pleae tell the bourgeoise when when we should name
that bowle. Arch

Fortiter,


http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:46:31 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:

got born-on dates on 'em.. lol

For the same reason that some feel it necessary to display their
philosophical positions, I guess. Sets them apart from hoi polloi.

I named a recently completed run my "Budweiser" collection, but nobody
figured out that the pieces were all made of beechwood, aged.

"Arch" wrote in message
...
While perusing the 500 Bowls books, I discovered a new mind game. Cover
the titles and think of one for yourself. Uncover and consider if your
impression of the piece's meaning etc. agrees with the maker's concept
or message. I flunked, which triggered another unrequested musing.

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:17:54 GMT, Lobby Dosser
wrote:

(Arch) wrote:

I heard that only art can communicate without using language. If true,
why a written title? Some of you art, psychology, communication or
marketing aristocrats pleae tell the bourgeoise when when we should name
that bowle. Arch



Glad you're back and apparently safe and sound, though it looks like all
that wind stirred some dusty corners. )

'Bowle' calls to mind the 'Old, Vintage, Antiques' I see on e-bay from time
to time. I've spent many a minute musing over that one, since 'antique'
usually jacks the price, as does 'vintage'. But, does 'Old' cancel out
'Antique' or 'Vintage' or both? Or does 'Vintage' and 'Antique' square the
price and 'Old' cube it? Am I just 'Old' or an 'Old', 'Vintage' 'Antique'
and can I charge more for stuff I make?

LD

the one I've always liked is the difference between junk and junque..
lol

Arch et. al.

The idea that one can assign a name to their "bowle" is probably akin to the
idea that one can assemble a whole book of wooden bowls and sell it as if
there was some kind of revelation contained within. (BTW I submitted 3
pictures of my work to this endeavor and was given a summary dismissal - was
it becasue I did not assign names to my work?)

If I were to assign a name to some of the bowls I make they would probably
be similar to the following

"Sugar Maple with a Nasty Catch Near the Exterior Base"
"Cherry with a Huge Crack"
"Awwww Nuts!"
"@$%&*!%!"
"The Curve Just Does Not Look Right"
"Maybe Next Time"
"Wasted Blank"
"Looked Better in the Log"
And my all time favorite.....
"Salad Bowl"


Really, I think the names are often quite nebulous and potentially nefarious
at best - I think it is better to let the work speak for itself! Unless
there is an absolute need to help someone make a connection to the piece -
although the only connection to the piece that I can envision is the point
where ones hand makes contact with the surface of the piece. that is the
only connection most of us make - then a name could be useful!

If it is art, is there a need to assign a name?

If it is art, is it because someone made up a psudo psycological moniker for
the piece? {I think naming the piece might be a way to preserve an
experience we have as an artist, but will the name mean anything to someone
else?}

If it is art, does it need to affect you emotionally? {(That is like trying
to say that the 10 Commandments in the city square offends you) I enjoy
looking at (or is that viewing) paintings, but the only emotion I experience
is something like "wow - isn't that a great painting" - I have never been
brought to tears or saddened or elated or repulsed - well maybe repulsed -
but usually it is pleasurable to look at others' work - it really is not
much of an emotional experience like some of these art bigots want you to
think}

If it is art, is it because I said it is?

These questions/statements could go on and on....

I say my work is art, becasue I used the skills and the wood that God gave
me and did something constructive with them - to show off His handiwork -
not becasue I gave it a name!

Good Day

Ray

mac davis wrote:

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:17:54 GMT, Lobby Dosser
wrote:

(Arch) wrote:

I heard that only art can communicate without using language. If
true, why a written title? Some of you art, psychology,
communication or marketing aristocrats pleae tell the bourgeoise
when when we should name that bowle. Arch



Glad you're back and apparently safe and sound, though it looks like
all that wind stirred some dusty corners. )

'Bowle' calls to mind the 'Old, Vintage, Antiques' I see on e-bay from
time to time. I've spent many a minute musing over that one, since
'antique' usually jacks the price, as does 'vintage'. But, does 'Old'
cancel out 'Antique' or 'Vintage' or both? Or does 'Vintage' and
'Antique' square the price and 'Old' cube it? Am I just 'Old' or an
'Old', 'Vintage' 'Antique' and can I charge more for stuff I make?

LD

the one I've always liked is the difference between junk and junque..
lol


Let's not forget Auntie Cue!

"Ray Sandusky" wrote:

Arch et. al.

The idea that one can assign a name to their "bowle" is probably akin
to the idea that one can assemble a whole book of wooden bowls and
sell it as if there was some kind of revelation contained within.

I haven't seen the 500 Bowles book, but I do have a copy of the 400
Wooden Boxes book. All of them have names, but the names seem less
affectatious than the Bowles. There are a few 'EarthMother' and 'Bubba'
boxes, but most are pretty simple or descriptive. Some of them even have
names like 'Jewelery Box', or 'Walnut Box'. I'm not sure what this means.
Perhaps the flatlanders have more confidence, or maybe they're just
trying to make a living. I've noticed that things that are 'named' cost
more. Things with names you can't pronounce cost even more. Just try any
'upscale' restaurant to see what I mean.

I do find some inspiration in the 400 Boxes book. There are even some
boxes in there that I could have done. If I hadn't got the joint wrong or
the finish hadn't orange peeled.

(BTW I submitted 3 pictures of my work to this endeavor and was given
a summary dismissal - was it becasue I did not assign names to my
work?)

If I were to assign a name to some of the bowls I make they would
probably be similar to the following

"Sugar Maple with a Nasty Catch Near the Exterior Base"
"Cherry with a Huge Crack"
"Awwww Nuts!"
"@$%&*!%!"
"The Curve Just Does Not Look Right"
"Maybe Next Time"
"Wasted Blank"
"Looked Better in the Log"
And my all time favorite.....
"Salad Bowl"

I'm very glad to hear this. It's always good to know you are not alone.

My favorite Bowles a 'Flung Off Chuck And Damn Near Knocked Me Out'
and 'Blood Of Thumb Sliced By Chuck'.



Really, I think the names are often quite nebulous and potentially
nefarious at best - I think it is better to let the work speak for
itself! Unless there is an absolute need to help someone make a
connection to the piece - although the only connection to the piece
that I can envision is the point where ones hand makes contact with
the surface of the piece. that is the only connection most of us make
- then a name could be useful!

If it is art, is there a need to assign a name?

Only if you want to make more money. See above.


If it is art, is it because someone made up a psudo psycological
moniker for the piece? {I think naming the piece might be a way to
preserve an experience we have as an artist, but will the name mean
anything to someone else?}

If it is art, does it need to affect you emotionally? {(That is like
trying to say that the 10 Commandments in the city square offends you)
I enjoy looking at (or is that viewing) paintings, but the only
emotion I experience is something like "wow - isn't that a great
painting" - I have never been brought to tears or saddened or elated
or repulsed - well maybe repulsed - but usually it is pleasurable to
look at others' work - it really is not much of an emotional
experience like some of these art bigots want you to think}

Here we diverge in in a wood. I have been brought to tears by music and
dance. Most memorably a performance of the 'Swan Lake' dying Swan scene
by Maya Plesitskya. For me, it was not a dancer on the stage. It was the
Swan. Absolutely incredible!


If it is art, is it because I said it is?

These questions/statements could go on and on....

I say my work is art, becasue I used the skills and the wood that God
gave me and did something constructive with them - to show off His
handiwork - not becasue I gave it a name!

Good Day

Ray

If it is art, is it because I said it is?

It is art to you if you consider it that way. When most people consider it
to be art, then it probably is great art.

Harry

"Harry B. Pye" wrote:

If it is art, is it because I said it is?

It is art to you if you consider it that way. When most people
consider it to be art, then it probably is great art.

Harry




Cambell soup cans?

Are you implying the emperor might be naked?

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
news:Kn_bd.1634$n81.1460@trnddc08...
"Harry B. Pye" wrote:

If it is art, is it because I said it is?

It is art to you if you consider it that way. When most people
consider it to be art, then it probably is great art.

Harry




Cambell soup cans?

"George" george@least wrote:

Are you implying the emperor might be naked?

If the soup can fits ...


"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
news:Kn_bd.1634$n81.1460@trnddc08...
"Harry B. Pye" wrote:

If it is art, is it because I said it is?

It is art to you if you consider it that way. When most people
consider it to be art, then it probably is great art.

Harry




Cambell soup cans?