Harvested Cherry, Peruvian Walnut, Maple, Black Mesquite.
9.5" diameter, 4.5" tall. 173 individual pieces of wood.
Padded shellac finish. Lousy photography, as usual.

http://webpages.charter.net/videodoc..._pwalnut01.jpg

Is it just me, or does it take everyone forever to hollow these
blasted things, especially under the top - working blind and at weird
angles. Bowls seem to take mere moments in comparison. Locally
collected cherry is hard, has pitch pockets, and burnishes easily.

FWIW,

Greg G.

Nice work GG. tell us non-segmenters a few things:
do you plan your segment angles with Excel, software or by pencil?
Do you hollow halfway before adding final rings?
keep up the good work,
Max

Greg
Nice work. I do not do the segmented turnings or at least too seldom to
mention, but, since they are glued up anyway, could you not hollow each
half, glue them together and then finish the outside? It seems like a lot
less work.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
http://aroundthewoods.com
http://roundopinions.blogspot.com
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Harvested Cherry, Peruvian Walnut, Maple, Black Mesquite.
9.5" diameter, 4.5" tall. 173 individual pieces of wood.
Padded shellac finish. Lousy photography, as usual.

http://webpages.charter.net/videodoc..._pwalnut01.jpg

Is it just me, or does it take everyone forever to hollow these
blasted things, especially under the top - working blind and at weird
angles. Bowls seem to take mere moments in comparison. Locally
collected cherry is hard, has pitch pockets, and burnishes easily.

FWIW,

Greg G.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:09:24 -0500, Greg wrote:


Harvested Cherry, Peruvian Walnut, Maple, Black Mesquite.
9.5" diameter, 4.5" tall. 173 individual pieces of wood.
Padded shellac finish. Lousy photography, as usual.

http://webpages.charter.net/videodoc..._pwalnut01.jpg

Is it just me, or does it take everyone forever to hollow these
blasted things, especially under the top - working blind and at weird
angles. Bowls seem to take mere moments in comparison. Locally
collected cherry is hard, has pitch pockets, and burnishes easily.

FWIW,

Greg G.

Really nice, Greg...
my brother does segmented stuff and my only "problem" with his is too many
colors..

I like the clean lines of yours and the use of color as an accent, not a theme..
(everyone's a critic)


mac

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Max63 said:

Nice work GG. tell us non-segmenters a few things:

Thanks, Max. Fire away. This is only the eighth piece I've done.
The second with 18 segs per ring. In fact, the feature ring is half a
ring cutoff from the last vessel built. (I cheated...)

do you plan your segment angles with Excel, software or by pencil?

I draw the general shape full scale on graph paper. The cut lengths
are calculated by home-brew software. The angles are cut on a
self-designed jig. The sanding is done on a homemade disk sander.

Do you hollow halfway before adding final rings?

More or less, just not the final closing rings. I knock off the edges
before topping, but leave a bit of meat so as to match the outside
when it is finally shaped.

keep up the good work,

Thanks, I'll try. I'm still not that happy with the time consumed by
finishes, and have tried them all. Ironically, I have no patience with
drying glue, drying shellac/varnish/lacquer, or anything that requires
one to wait to complete a task. I use up some of the wait-time with
jig-making and cleanup, but after a bit, you run out of secondary
things to make. And with finishing, you can't stir up dust while
drying. Having done electronics work for 35 years, I find waiting for
things to dry to be the most frustrating part of woodworking in
general.

FWIW,

Greg G.

Darrell Feltmate said:

Greg
Nice work. I do not do the segmented turnings or at least too seldom to
mention, but, since they are glued up anyway, could you not hollow each
half, glue them together and then finish the outside? It seems like a lot
less work.

Thanks again. I do mostly hollow the bottom before gluing on the
closing ring(s), but not to final dimensions. The top I have not been,
but I believe I'll have to come up with a method to ease this process.
I've got a DIY vacuum chuck, but that's of no use, and I'm not
particularly fond of double sided tape. Hot glue is a possibility,
but can release unexpectedly if you get a catch, and since I'm a
beginner, that's a real possibility. The other problem is that I glue
and true each layer during assembly to maintain absolutely level
layers. And I only have one faceplate. I don't break down the
stack/faceplate assemblies until finished because they never go back
exactly the same way, leading to the need to re-true everything.
Until I sell one of these blasted things, I won't be buying any more
faceplates either. I'll eventually come up with something...



Greg G.

mac davis said:

Really nice, Greg...
my brother does segmented stuff and my only "problem" with his is too many
colors..

I like the clean lines of yours and the use of color as an accent, not a theme..
(everyone's a critic)

Thanks, Mac. I've noticed your past references to the brother's
segmented work. I didn't know when I got into this that so many others
would enter the fray. The market is becoming glutted... ;-)

As for my "designs", there are many turners who overload (IMHO) every
piece with some detail or another, and I find them cluttered and
distracting. Malcolm Tibbetts comes to mind. Impressive detail, and a
whole lot of work, but just too busy for my tastes. For me, it's about
the wood, as mangled and chopped up as it may be. I spend more time
comparing the colors of cutoffs and such to find the most pleasing
blends of grain and color than I do trying to inject every possible
wood type and/or color into a turning. I'm after something that could
be considered subtle "art", not a kaleidoscope. ;-) I'm also hoping
that some wealthy industrial magnet wants to part with $500 to own one
of my painstaking creations. Although I have several on display at a
friend's local gallery, Fat Chance so far.

I shouldda made compressed horse**** pens instead. :-/


Greg G.

On Dec 19, 3:09 am, Greg wrote:
Harvested Cherry, Peruvian Walnut, Maple, Black Mesquite.
9.5" diameter, 4.5" tall. 173 individual pieces of wood.
Padded shellac finish. Lousy photography, as usual.

http://webpages.charter.net/videodoc..._pwalnut01.jpg

Is it just me, or does it take everyone forever to hollow these
blasted things, especially under the top - working blind and at weird
angles. Bowls seem to take mere moments in comparison. Locally
collected cherry is hard, has pitch pockets, and burnishes easily.

FWIW,

Greg G.

Hi Greg, Yet another very nice looking piece. As to the hollowing.
When I do a piece like this I hollow as I go along then when you get
to the top you only need to deal with the top ring. Are you building
them completely before turning? It's much easier to turn along the
way. If I was doing a very flat piece I would do it as Darrell
describes by building it in 2 halves and gluing them together. This
piece however I would hollow before the rim was attached when the
piece is wide open. I actually sand and finish the inside as I go
along also.
If I might make one suggestion and this is only a suggestion and not a
negative in any way. I think this piece would have been better if you
followed the curve of the side all the way down. The little curve
outward at the bottom doesn't do the piece justice. If you put your
thumbs in front of your monitor and follow the curve of the piece I
think you will see what I am talking about.
It seems that a lot of newer turners put this little whoop-de-do at
the bottom of there turnings and in time eliminate it.
Again not a negative comment just trying to be helpful. Bob
http://www.outofcontrol-woodturning.com

turnerbob said:

Hi Greg, Yet another very nice looking piece.
Thanks.

As to the hollowing.
When I do a piece like this I hollow as I go along then when you get
to the top you only need to deal with the top ring. Are you building
them completely before turning?

I hollow them as I go, on something this small, just before gluing the
top rings. I do the final shaping and finish after the entire piece is
completed, however. Perhaps I place too much concern on matching the
external shape. The top (enclosing) rings are not turned at all before
gluing, thus the difficulty with the interior. The cherry was very
hard, and my only swept neck hollowing tool is a Sorby Hollowmaster -
and it barely reached the outer periphery. I'll come up with a
serviceable technique eventually - when that bulb appears over my
head. I have to contemplate it a bit first...

I think this piece would have been better if you followed the curve of the side all the way down.

Funny, I originally drew it that way, but since everyone seems to
follow that convention, I changed it on the fly. Truth be told, I
would like to remount it and remove about 3/8" from the bottom
anyway... I became impatient because the vacuum chuck was pulling wet
shellac through the open pores of the base material, and slinging it
around the already finished interior - even at 10 inches of vacuum.
Also, when using the DIY vacuum chuck, I spend each moment in fear
that it will pop off when doing stock removal around the base and go
tearing across the room - leaving dings and scrapes around the feature
ring. DAMHIKT. Still working on that delicate relationship between
diameter, vacuum, and crushing the vessel vs. insufficient hold. This
DIY setup will generate over 26" and it will implode items handily.
Ah, live and learn.


Greg G.

"Greg G." wrote in message
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Harvested Cherry, Peruvian Walnut, Maple, Black Mesquite.
9.5" diameter, 4.5" tall. 173 individual pieces of wood.
Padded shellac finish. Lousy photography, as usual.

http://webpages.charter.net/videodoc..._pwalnut01.jpg

Is it just me, or does it take everyone forever to hollow these
blasted things, especially under the top - working blind and at weird
angles. Bowls seem to take mere moments in comparison. Locally
collected cherry is hard, has pitch pockets, and burnishes easily.

FWIW,

Greg G.


Very nice work, someday I will get serious and try a segmented piece, jus
too much cutting & gluing for me. But I do like the finished projects.

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:25:31 -0500, Greg wrote:

Funny you said that.. I think Malcolm is his mentor..

Some of my brother's early stuff:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8817952...7594325575282/


mac davis said:

Really nice, Greg...
my brother does segmented stuff and my only "problem" with his is too many
colors..

I like the clean lines of yours and the use of color as an accent, not a theme..
(everyone's a critic)

Thanks, Mac. I've noticed your past references to the brother's
segmented work. I didn't know when I got into this that so many others
would enter the fray. The market is becoming glutted... ;-)

As for my "designs", there are many turners who overload (IMHO) every
piece with some detail or another, and I find them cluttered and
distracting. Malcolm Tibbetts comes to mind. Impressive detail, and a
whole lot of work, but just too busy for my tastes. For me, it's about
the wood, as mangled and chopped up as it may be. I spend more time
comparing the colors of cutoffs and such to find the most pleasing
blends of grain and color than I do trying to inject every possible
wood type and/or color into a turning. I'm after something that could
be considered subtle "art", not a kaleidoscope. ;-) I'm also hoping
that some wealthy industrial magnet wants to part with $500 to own one
of my painstaking creations. Although I have several on display at a
friend's local gallery, Fat Chance so far.

I shouldda made compressed horse**** pens instead. :-/


Greg G.


mac

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