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Pictures. To post or not to post. Musing about the option.
I occasionally butt in on a thread at another fine forum that includes
pics and words. I do not post pics, but I feel comfortable there because of so many rcw alumni who know I mean well so they suffer my posts gladly like old friends do. Not so with my last intrusion there which was mis-taken as an insult and provoked a derisive retort that implied that words posted with never a picture are suspect. Our little contretemps was apparently deleted and I'm not trying to stir the pot or nurse a perceived put down. I _am defending the option of turners who for whatever reason don't post pictures of their work. The incalculable value of the thousands of pictures posted to net forums and sites isn't in question here, but I believe that posting text with never a pic is an acceptable personal option as is posting a pic of every piece turned. Both can have legitimate reasons, but neither warrants derision. I can understand that a few might feel that if you choose not to picture your work, you must have something to hide and nothing to offer. Conversely a few might assume that if you post continuously, you must have a need you are trying to fill. Not many turners, including me, accept either premise. Pics are just an option. As in the sciences, the established arts that I know of have a written 'literature' that grew up around them. The 'literature' helps to assure each discipline an acceptance among co-workers and gains prestige with the general public and collectors. Turned wood art probably needs a 'literature' in order to advance. This isn't about word merchants with no turning experience who read and regurgitate. It is about those of us who love the craft and try to contribute, but only post text. Not every word posted is golden, but then neither is every picture. As always, I invite your thoughts, pro & con, mild or strong. Assuming of course, that you and I have the foggiest notion of what I'm musing about. Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings |
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Pictures. To post or not to post. Musing about the option.
Hi Arch
I did read your post and the reply to it. The thing has been brewing for a long time, and My feeling have been right from the start (right or wrong) that someone was putting himself on a pedestal, but then his pedestal got kicked from under him, some hard feelings arose, and then your post got taken (right or wrong) as another "put me down", it triggered (wrongly) the vicious reply. Back in Holland they would say, " if you have long toes someone will step on them". As for you not posting any pictures, that's your prerogative, and certainly do not diminish your (musings) posts, mind you I always like to see what people turn, and yours are no exception. I see them as an expression/extension of someone, and so I'm interested in that. I do thank you for all the thoughtful posts you do bring to this forum, looking forward to more. Have fun and take care Leo Van Der Loo Arch wrote: I occasionally butt in on a thread at another fine forum that includes pics and words. I do not post pics, but I feel comfortable there because of so many rcw alumni who know I mean well so they suffer my posts gladly like old friends do. Not so with my last intrusion there which was mis-taken as an insult and provoked a derisive retort that implied that words posted with never a picture are suspect. Our little contretemps was apparently deleted and I'm not trying to stir the pot or nurse a perceived put down. I _am defending the option of turners who for whatever reason don't post pictures of their work. The incalculable value of the thousands of pictures posted to net forums and sites isn't in question here, but I believe that posting text with never a pic is an acceptable personal option as is posting a pic of every piece turned. Both can have legitimate reasons, but neither warrants derision. I can understand that a few might feel that if you choose not to picture your work, you must have something to hide and nothing to offer. Conversely a few might assume that if you post continuously, you must have a need you are trying to fill. Not many turners, including me, accept either premise. Pics are just an option. As in the sciences, the established arts that I know of have a written 'literature' that grew up around them. The 'literature' helps to assure each discipline an acceptance among co-workers and gains prestige with the general public and collectors. Turned wood art probably needs a 'literature' in order to advance. This isn't about word merchants with no turning experience who read and regurgitate. It is about those of us who love the craft and try to contribute, but only post text. Not every word posted is golden, but then neither is every picture. As always, I invite your thoughts, pro & con, mild or strong. Assuming of course, that you and I have the foggiest notion of what I'm musing about. Turn to Safety, Arch Fortiter http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings |
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Pictures. To post or not to post. Musing about the option.
As always, I invite your thoughts, pro & con, mild or strong. Assuming
of course, that you and I have the foggiest notion of what I'm musing about. In a moment of haphazard brilliance, I accidentally deleted Archs' posting, so please forgive me for posting here. I DID want to confine my response to the original thread. Arch ... why be dogmatic about it? Post pics when they convey the message better than words alone and post just words when you are able to communicate most effectively that way. Technical pics, especially, help to convey material that words alone cannot. For example, it would be much easier to convey the difference between wavy, curly and fiddle-back grain with a series of three photographs than to attempt to quantify how much curl at what wavelength must be present for each of the three grain designations. I note that you enjoy teaching .... many of your posts are intended to provoke thought. People learn via many channels -- why not use the visual channel to augment / concretize the abstractions that words alone so often convey? Just my two cent respond to your request for feedback. Bill |
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Pictures. To post or not to post. Musing about the option.
Just a thought, no accusations being made here. Just because someone posts a picture on the web and says they made whatever is in the picture, is it a true statement? If I were a dishonest individual and wanted to blow smoke up someones tail pipe, I could go to Leo or Arch's website, left click and copy the images they might have there and then show them to someone in a chat room and say they are mine, does that mean they are? I could go to a craft or trade show and take pictures of one of the local artisans at work and claim on the posting that it was me, was it? Look, I'm just a backwoods kid from south central Kentucky, and I've never been accused of being smart. If someone is so shallow minded that they think a picture is going to truley show them how good someone else is at turning, they should get their head checked. I'm not a master at wood turning and I know that. I know just enough about this to be dangerous at it, but I can tell when I read some of the advice on this site as to whether someone else knows what they are talking about. I can view their websites (if they aren't lying) and see what they can teach me there. If a picture is all it takes to make me a master turner, let me get my camera out and start snapping a few shots of me making piles of saw dust in the shop, cause that I know I can do. Thanks Arch, your insight into things make me think. I enjoy your thoughts and muses. JD |
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