I want an SDS drill for some work on brick and concrete, but I want
one that'll be very good for general DIY as well. I'm considering one
from the Metabo range as they have a very good quick change mechanism
for swapping the SDS chuck with a conventional one (better than Makita
I believe). I first thought I'd get a BHE24 drill but I know they
don't have a rotation lock and chiseling might be useful in the future
- wish I had one when I was hacking off tiles last year. I then
thought I'd get a KHE24 though they're more expensive (rotation and
percussion locks, but only one gear), and then I noticed the UHE range
are good for screw driving as well with their two speed gear box, but
they're the most expensive of all. I'm also concerned that all of
these SDS drills might not be good on wood with the percussion stop as
I've seen they have lower rotation speeds than normal hammer drills.

Can anyone with SDS experience for general DIY work tell advise me on
which one to buy please?

Many thanks,

Ken

Kooky45 wrote:
I want an SDS drill for some work on brick and concrete, but I want
one that'll be very good for general DIY as well. I'm considering one

In general, a SDS drill will be much heavier than a conventional hammer
drill.
This can make it awkward for some tasks.

Kooky45 wrote:
I want an SDS drill for some work on brick and concrete, but I want
one that'll be very good for general DIY as well.

The DeWalt 566 is quite light and very well balanced. I use it one-handed
all the time almost as one would a battery powered drill.

Highly recommended providing you don't do a Grunff on it :-)

There is also a quite small Bosch (can't remember the number but B&Q have
it).

G&M wrote:

The DeWalt 566 is quite light and very well balanced. I use it one-handed
all the time almost as one would a battery powered drill.

Highly recommended providing you don't do a Grunff on it :-)

It's funny, since buying my Makita 18V combi, I've only used my Bosch
mains hammer drill once - and that was for mixing tile adhesive. It's
always either the DeWalt for drilling holes in walls/chiseling etc, or
the Makita for everything else.

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"Grunff" wrote in message
...
G&M wrote:

The DeWalt 566 is quite light and very well balanced. I use it
one-handed
all the time almost as one would a battery powered drill.

Highly recommended providing you don't do a Grunff on it :-)

It's funny, since buying my Makita 18V combi, I've only used my Bosch
mains hammer drill once - and that was for mixing tile adhesive. It's
always either the DeWalt for drilling holes in walls/chiseling etc, or
the Makita for everything else.

Ah but you've got an understanding wife ! :-)
For some of us it's an either/or choice.

G&M wrote:

Ah but you've got an understanding wife ! :-)

You bet - she loves the Makita. Really likes the speed control on it.


For some of us it's an either/or choice.

Ahhh!

BTW, the DeWalt is all fixed, running like new. Took me about 15 mins. I
reckon if I had to do it again I could do it in 5. Very nicely
engineered machine.

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"Grunff" wrote in message
...
G&M wrote:

The DeWalt 566 is quite light and very well balanced. I use it
one-handed
all the time almost as one would a battery powered drill.

Highly recommended providing you don't do a Grunff on it :-)

It's funny, since buying my Makita 18V combi, I've only used my Bosch
mains hammer drill once - and that was for mixing tile adhesive. It's
always either the DeWalt for drilling holes in walls/chiseling etc, or
the Makita for everything else.

I think it is more that at that price you use it to get your moneys worth.

IMM wrote:


I think it is more that at that price you use it to get your moneys worth.

No, you use it because it feels and works so much better. You obviously
have no experiance of using decent tools.

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IMM wrote:

I think it is more that at that price you use it to get your moneys worth.

No, you obviously haven't been following the story. I bought the Makita
because I use my cordless drill *a lot*, and they kept failing or
performing unsatisfactorily. Remember, you receommended I try the 18V
PPPoo, which I did and found to be ****.

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"Kooky45" wrote in message
om...
I want an SDS drill for some work on brick and concrete, but I want
one that'll be very good for general DIY as well. I'm considering one
from the Metabo range as they have a very good quick change mechanism
for swapping the SDS chuck with a conventional one (better than Makita
I believe). I first thought I'd get a BHE24 drill but I know they
don't have a rotation lock and chiseling might be useful in the future
- wish I had one when I was hacking off tiles last year. I then
thought I'd get a KHE24 though they're more expensive (rotation and
percussion locks, but only one gear), and then I noticed the UHE range
are good for screw driving as well with their two speed gear box, but
they're the most expensive of all. I'm also concerned that all of
these SDS drills might not be good on wood with the percussion stop as
I've seen they have lower rotation speeds than normal hammer drills.

Can anyone with SDS experience for general DIY work tell advise me on
which one to buy please?

Many thanks,

Ken

Can't give you any advice on which model, but mine is very heavy, and I
wouldn't want to use it for general work. It's only a cheap one but I
believe they are all quite heavy. Worth thinking about.
Ed

Ed Rear wrote:

Can't give you any advice on which model, but mine is very heavy, and I
wouldn't want to use it for general work. It's only a cheap one but I
believe they are all quite heavy. Worth thinking about.

Many of the cheaper "shed specials" are in the 4 kg+ weight range. The
better made beasties (Bosch, Makita, DeWalt etc) are typically a approx
2 kg... A case of not getting what you pay for ;-)

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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Kooky45 wrote:

I want an SDS drill for some work on brick and concrete, but I want
one that'll be very good for general DIY as well. I'm considering one
from the Metabo range as they have a very good quick change mechanism
for swapping the SDS chuck with a conventional one (better than Makita
I believe). I first thought I'd get a BHE24 drill but I know they
don't have a rotation lock and chiseling might be useful in the future
- wish I had one when I was hacking off tiles last year. I then
thought I'd get a KHE24 though they're more expensive (rotation and
percussion locks, but only one gear), and then I noticed the UHE range
are good for screw driving as well with their two speed gear box, but
they're the most expensive of all. I'm also concerned that all of
these SDS drills might not be good on wood with the percussion stop as
I've seen they have lower rotation speeds than normal hammer drills.

Can anyone with SDS experience for general DIY work tell advise me on
which one to buy please?

Many thanks,

Ken

Rather than spending a lot of money on *one* drill which does a lot of
things (some badly!), I would recommend buying *three* drills - but spending
far less on each. Get a cheapish SDS drill - but with rotation and
persussion locks - and use it just for drilling brick/concrete and
chiselling. Get a 2-speed conventional (mains) drill for general wood and
metal drilling. [It will probably come with hammer action - but ignore
that!]. Finally, get a rechargeable drill for light drilling and
screwdriving. That way, you will always have the best tool for each
particular job - without endless chuck and bit changing.
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"Set Square" wrote in
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Rather than spending a lot of money on *one* drill which does a lot of
things (some badly!), I would recommend buying *three* drills - but
spending far less on each. Get a cheapish SDS drill - but with
rotation and persussion locks - and use it just for drilling
brick/concrete and chiselling. Get a 2-speed conventional (mains)
drill for general wood and metal drilling. [It will probably come with
hammer action - but ignore that!]. Finally, get a rechargeable drill
for light drilling and screwdriving. That way, you will always have
the best tool for each particular job - without endless chuck and bit
changing.

I think that's pretty good advice - I've got a cheapish old SDS which does
me, but I can't imagine how I would use it with a convebntional chuck and a
smallish bit.

I'd be interested to know if anyone who has a replacement chuck woould use
in with a 2-3mm HS bit, or to drill a pilot for a #8 woodscrew

mike

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:25:16 +0000 (UTC), mike ring
strung together this:

I think that's pretty good advice - I've got a cheapish old SDS which does
me, but I can't imagine how I would use it with a convebntional chuck and a
smallish bit.

With a SDS to conventional 3 jaw chuck adapter.

I'd be interested to know if anyone who has a replacement chuck woould use
in with a 2-3mm HS bit, or to drill a pilot for a #8 woodscrew

Eh? Replace what chuck with what?
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd

"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:25:16 +0000 (UTC), mike ring
strung together this:

I think that's pretty good advice - I've got a cheapish old SDS which
does
me, but I can't imagine how I would use it with a convebntional chuck and
a
smallish bit.

With a SDS to conventional 3 jaw chuck adapter.

I think he knows that but can't imagine actually using it becasue it's such
a great big effing thing to handle, and probably pretty unweildly with the
gimickt replacement chuck stuckup front.


I'd be interested to know if anyone who has a replacement chuck woould
use
in with a 2-3mm HS bit, or to drill a pilot for a #8 woodscrew

Eh? Replace what chuck with what?
--

the point looks to be about using a 4kg SDS with small drills requiring
possibly requiring relatively high precision. (he said ..trying to second
guess the OP)

cheers

Daid

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:15:07 +0100, "David"
strung together this:

Eh? Replace what chuck with what?
--

the point looks to be about using a 4kg SDS with small drills requiring
possibly requiring relatively high precision. (he said ..trying to second
guess the OP)

Ah, that makes sense I suppose.
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd

"David" wrote in message ...
"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:25:16 +0000 (UTC), mike ring
strung together this:

I think that's pretty good advice - I've got a cheapish old SDS which
does
me, but I can't imagine how I would use it with a convebntional chuck and
a
smallish bit.

With a SDS to conventional 3 jaw chuck adapter.

I think he knows that but can't imagine actually using it becasue it's such
a great big effing thing to handle, and probably pretty unweildly with the
gimickt replacement chuck stuckup front.


I'd be interested to know if anyone who has a replacement chuck woould
use
in with a 2-3mm HS bit, or to drill a pilot for a #8 woodscrew

Eh? Replace what chuck with what?
--

the point looks to be about using a 4kg SDS with small drills requiring
possibly requiring relatively high precision. (he said ..trying to second
guess the OP)

cheers

Daid

Yes, that's the exact point. I'll be using it in the loft and I want
something easy to handle and precise so I can drill into brick and
wood.

Ken

Rather than spending a lot of money on *one* drill which does a lot of
things (some badly!), I would recommend buying *three* drills - but
spending
far less on each.

Absolutely. I didn't have the budget of the OP, but I went for.

1. Cheap as chips SDS with chisel. (i.e. 30 quid)
2. Cheap as chips mains hammer drill. (i.e. 20 quid)
3. Good quality 12V battery drill. (i.e. 100 quid).

I frequently use all 3 drills at the same time. The SDS has the 7mm rawlplug
bit, the mains has a 4.5mm clearance bit and the battery has the screwdriver
bit. It saves endless bit swapping. Far better than using one drill and
swapping all the bits between and then forgetting that you've selected
hammer on the screwdriver and mashed the screw to pieces.

Ensure the battery drill has a rotor brake, reverse, touch sensitive
trigger, torque control and one handed keyless chuck. These features are all
essential.

Christian.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Set Square wrote:

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Kooky45 wrote:

I want an SDS drill for some work on brick and concrete, but I want
one that'll be very good for general DIY as well. I'm considering
one from the Metabo range as they have a very good quick change
mechanism for swapping the SDS chuck with a conventional one (better
than Makita I believe). I first thought I'd get a BHE24 drill but I
know they don't have a rotation lock and chiseling might be useful
in the future - wish I had one when I was hacking off tiles last
year. I then thought I'd get a KHE24 though they're more expensive
(rotation and percussion locks, but only one gear), and then I
noticed the UHE range are good for screw driving as well with their
two speed gear box, but they're the most expensive of all. I'm also
concerned that all of these SDS drills might not be good on wood
with the percussion stop as I've seen they have lower rotation
speeds than normal hammer drills.

Can anyone with SDS experience for general DIY work tell advise me on
which one to buy please?

Many thanks,

Ken

Rather than spending a lot of money on *one* drill which does a lot of
things (some badly!), I would recommend buying *three* drills - but
spending far less on each. Get a cheapish SDS drill - but with
rotation and persussion locks - and use it just for drilling
brick/concrete and chiselling. Get a 2-speed conventional (mains)
drill for general wood and metal drilling. [It will probably come
with hammer action - but ignore that!]. Finally, get a rechargeable
drill for light drilling and screwdriving. That way, you will always
have the best tool for each particular job - without endless chuck
and bit changing.


FWIW, Makro are doing a JCB twin pack for UKP54.99+VAT (64.60) in their
promotion starting on 7th July. This consists of an 18v cordless drill with
2 batteries and 1 hour charger, together with a corded hammer drill
(admittedly only one mechanical speed, but electronic speed control). The
same pack is in the current Argos catalogue for UKP79.99 - so the Makro deal
looks quite good. I would be sorely tempted if I didn't already have
equivalent drills.
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Set Square
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"Set Square" wrote in message
...

FWIW, Makro are doing a JCB twin pack for UKP54.99+VAT (64.60) in their
promotion starting on 7th July. This consists of an 18v cordless drill
with
2 batteries and 1 hour charger, together with a corded hammer drill
(admittedly only one mechanical speed, but electronic speed control). The
same pack is in the current Argos catalogue for UKP79.99 - so the Makro
deal
looks quite good. I would be sorely tempted if I didn't already have
equivalent drills.

Hope it's better than the JCB 1/2 sheet orbital sander I mistakenly bought.
Even the smaller 1/3 sheet B&Q Performance (non-pro) one is better than it.

"Kooky45" wrote in message
om...
I want an SDS drill for some work on brick and concrete, but I want
one that'll be very good for general DIY as well. I'm considering one
from the Metabo range as they have a very good quick change mechanism
for swapping the SDS chuck with a conventional one (better than Makita
I believe). I first thought I'd get a BHE24 drill but I know they
don't have a rotation lock and chiseling might be useful in the future
- wish I had one when I was hacking off tiles last year. I then
thought I'd get a KHE24 though they're more expensive (rotation and
percussion locks, but only one gear), and then I noticed the UHE range
are good for screw driving as well with their two speed gear box, but
they're the most expensive of all. I'm also concerned that all of
these SDS drills might not be good on wood with the percussion stop as
I've seen they have lower rotation speeds than normal hammer drills.

Can anyone with SDS experience for general DIY work tell advise me on
which one to buy please?

Many thanks,

Ken

I don't think 'Metabo' 'better than' and 'Makita' are 3 things you'll hear
together very often!!

Alex

"Kooky45" wrote in message
om...
I want an SDS drill for some work on brick and concrete, but I want
one that'll be very good for general DIY as well. I'm considering one
from the Metabo range as they have a very good quick change mechanism
for swapping the SDS chuck with a conventional one (better than Makita
I believe).

Best chuck swap I've seen is the Bosch PBH240. Excellent drill as well but
Bosch servicing is (choose 4 letter word) so when it died again I gave up
and got a DeWalt.

"Alex" wrote in message
...
"Kooky45" wrote in message
om...
I want an SDS drill for some work on brick and concrete, but I want
one that'll be very good for general DIY as well. I'm considering one
from the Metabo range as they have a very good quick change mechanism
for swapping the SDS chuck with a conventional one (better than Makita
I believe). I first thought I'd get a BHE24 drill but I know they
don't have a rotation lock and chiseling might be useful in the future
- wish I had one when I was hacking off tiles last year. I then
thought I'd get a KHE24 though they're more expensive (rotation and
percussion locks, but only one gear), and then I noticed the UHE range
are good for screw driving as well with their two speed gear box, but
they're the most expensive of all. I'm also concerned that all of
these SDS drills might not be good on wood with the percussion stop as
I've seen they have lower rotation speeds than normal hammer drills.

Can anyone with SDS experience for general DIY work tell advise me on
which one to buy please?

Many thanks,

Ken

I don't think 'Metabo' 'better than' and 'Makita' are 3 things you'll hear
together very often!!


Why's that then? (just interested)

The only Metabo product I've had frequent operational experience of is my
SXE450Duo sander, and that's the dogs nuts. The other stuff that I have
picked up and handled struck me as similarly well made.

Metabo stuff's pricey though. Interesting to see their mains drills have
now got a remote control device to activate them (you stick it on your
keyring and every time you plug the drill in you need to "unlock" the
drill...). Handy for site "shrinkage".

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:01:07 +0100, "Alex"
strung together this:

I don't think 'Metabo' 'better than' and 'Makita' are 3 things you'll hear
together very often!!

Depends in which order!
--

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A.C.S. Ltd

"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:01:07 +0100, "Alex"
strung together this:

I don't think 'Metabo' 'better than' and 'Makita' are 3 things you'll
hear
together very often!!

Depends in which order!
--

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A.C.S. Ltd

Oh dear oh dear, I have made a 'whoopsy' yet again. At this late hour I had,
for some unbeknown reason, related Metabo to those typically cheep but
cheerful tools. Desperately trying to think of where I had used Metabo stuff
recently, I entered it into google. As I was greeted by 'Metabo and Electra
Bekum worldwide' my heart began to sink!

I think now would be a time to tactfully withdraw my previous comment

Alex

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:48:01 +0100, "Alex"
strung together this:

Oh dear oh dear, I have made a 'whoopsy' yet again.


That explains it, I did wonder which tool you were referring to as
inferior as I would be happy to use either make.

I think now would be a time to tactfully withdraw my previous comment

Good idea!
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A.C.S. Ltd

On 30 Jun 2004 12:25:55 -0700, (Kooky45) wrote:

I want an SDS drill for some work on brick and concrete, but I want
one that'll be very good for general DIY as well. I'm considering one
from the Metabo range as they have a very good quick change mechanism
for swapping the SDS chuck with a conventional one (better than Makita
I believe). I first thought I'd get a BHE24 drill but I know they
don't have a rotation lock and chiseling might be useful in the future
- wish I had one when I was hacking off tiles last year. I then
thought I'd get a KHE24 though they're more expensive (rotation and
percussion locks, but only one gear), and then I noticed the UHE range
are good for screw driving as well with their two speed gear box, but
they're the most expensive of all. I'm also concerned that all of
these SDS drills might not be good on wood with the percussion stop as
I've seen they have lower rotation speeds than normal hammer drills.

Can anyone with SDS experience for general DIY work tell advise me on
which one to buy please?

Many thanks,

Ken

Metabo stuff is generally good. I have one of their random orbital
sanders which is very good.

I don't think that you would be disappointed with Bosch, Makita or
DeWalt for this.




..andy

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In article ,
Kooky45 wrote:
I'm also concerned that all of
these SDS drills might not be good on wood with the percussion stop as
I've seen they have lower rotation speeds than normal hammer drills.

Can anyone with SDS experience for general DIY work tell advise me on
which one to buy please?

All in one tools are rarely a good idea as they always involve compromise.

Why not just get the SDS of your choice and a basic non hammer mains drill
for everything else - they're cheap as chips.

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Kooky45 wrote:


from the Metabo range as they have a very good quick change mechanism
for swapping the SDS chuck with a conventional one (better than Makita
I believe). I first thought I'd get a BHE24 drill but I know they

Not sure I follow that... there is no such thing as an SDS chuck as such
- SDS bits just plug straight into the end of the drill. A
conventional chuck for a SDS drill is to all intents and purposes just a
special SDS bit that plugs in like any other.

don't have a rotation lock and chiseling might be useful in the future
- wish I had one when I was hacking off tiles last year. I then

Chisel is very handy!

thought I'd get a KHE24 though they're more expensive (rotation and
percussion locks, but only one gear), and then I noticed the UHE range
are good for screw driving as well with their two speed gear box, but

I have used my Makita SDS for screwdriving. It has the power and low
speed torque, but the main problem is actually the length - by the time
you have a conventional chuck in there with a hex bit holder the end of
the drill is a long way away. Hence less natural to use for this task.

they're the most expensive of all. I'm also concerned that all of
these SDS drills might not be good on wood with the percussion stop as
I've seen they have lower rotation speeds than normal hammer drills.

They will work - but slower! ;-) They do work very well with big auger
bits.

Can anyone with SDS experience for general DIY work tell advise me on
which one to buy please?

Something about 2kg with roto and hammer stop.


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John Rumm wrote in message ...

Not sure I follow that... there is no such thing as an SDS chuck as such
- SDS bits just plug straight into the end of the drill. A
conventional chuck for a SDS drill is to all intents and purposes just a
special SDS bit that plugs in like any other.

Chisel is very handy!

I have used my Makita SDS for screwdriving. It has the power and low
speed torque, but the main problem is actually the length - by the time
you have a conventional chuck in there with a hex bit holder the end of
the drill is a long way away. Hence less natural to use for this task.

Something about 2kg with roto and hammer stop.

What you're recommending then points me at most expensive UHE24 which
is around 2Kg, has roto and hammer stop, and two gears for either high
torque driving or high speed drilling. Your point about the chuck and
the extra length doesn't apply to the Metabo as you replace the
existing SDS bit holder (chuck?) with a conventional chuck so the
length and weight stays the same.

No-one has commented on drill bit speed for wood. I've already got a
12V Power Devil cordless drill which is fine for thin wood and
plasterboard but it's not very fast. I noticed the mains powered
drills have much higher speeds than either a cordless or SDS. Does
the high speed have any advantage for drilling or is torque more
important? Can you give me an example of wood drilling where the SDS
wasn't very good? I've a job on at the moment where I have to drill a
lot of 5mm holes all the way through 70mm timbers and my cordless
isn't up to the job.

In article ,
Kooky45 wrote:
No-one has commented on drill bit speed for wood. I've already got a
12V Power Devil cordless drill which is fine for thin wood and
plasterboard but it's not very fast. I noticed the mains powered
drills have much higher speeds than either a cordless or SDS. Does
the high speed have any advantage for drilling or is torque more
important? Can you give me an example of wood drilling where the SDS
wasn't very good? I've a job on at the moment where I have to drill a
lot of 5mm holes all the way through 70mm timbers and my cordless
isn't up to the job.

High speed is perhaps useful, but not vital. Pretty well anything you'll
come across in the home can still be drilled at 1000 rpm or less - it'll
just take longer. But given that you can buy 2500 rpm mains drills for
about a tenner...

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Kooky45 wrote:
John Rumm wrote in message ...

Not sure I follow that... there is no such thing as an SDS chuck as such
- SDS bits just plug straight into the end of the drill. A
conventional chuck for a SDS drill is to all intents and purposes just a
special SDS bit that plugs in like any other.

Chisel is very handy!

I have used my Makita SDS for screwdriving. It has the power and low
speed torque, but the main problem is actually the length - by the time
you have a conventional chuck in there with a hex bit holder the end of
the drill is a long way away. Hence less natural to use for this task.

Something about 2kg with roto and hammer stop.


What you're recommending then points me at most expensive UHE24 which
is around 2Kg, has roto and hammer stop, and two gears for either high
torque driving or high speed drilling. Your point about the chuck and
the extra length doesn't apply to the Metabo as you replace the
existing SDS bit holder (chuck?) with a conventional chuck so the
length and weight stays the same.

No-one has commented on drill bit speed for wood. I've already got a
12V Power Devil cordless drill which is fine for thin wood and
plasterboard but it's not very fast. I noticed the mains powered
drills have much higher speeds than either a cordless or SDS. Does
the high speed have any advantage for drilling or is torque more
important? Can you give me an example of wood drilling where the SDS
wasn't very good? I've a job on at the moment where I have to drill a
lot of 5mm holes all the way through 70mm timbers and my cordless
isn't up to the job.


DeWalt 566 SDS - £120 ish, will go through anything stone/brick and has
roto/hammer stop

Makita - 8443DWDE-3 18v Cordless £240 ish, will go through anything
wood, fantastic at driving screws

You'll never regret it

Nick Brooks

"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...
Kooky45 wrote:
John Rumm wrote in message
...

Not sure I follow that... there is no such thing as an SDS chuck as such
- SDS bits just plug straight into the end of the drill. A
conventional chuck for a SDS drill is to all intents and purposes just a
special SDS bit that plugs in like any other.

Chisel is very handy!

I have used my Makita SDS for screwdriving. It has the power and low
speed torque, but the main problem is actually the length - by the time
you have a conventional chuck in there with a hex bit holder the end of
the drill is a long way away. Hence less natural to use for this task.

Something about 2kg with roto and hammer stop.


What you're recommending then points me at most expensive UHE24 which
is around 2Kg, has roto and hammer stop, and two gears for either high
torque driving or high speed drilling. Your point about the chuck and
the extra length doesn't apply to the Metabo as you replace the
existing SDS bit holder (chuck?) with a conventional chuck so the
length and weight stays the same.

No-one has commented on drill bit speed for wood. I've already got a
12V Power Devil cordless drill which is fine for thin wood and
plasterboard but it's not very fast. I noticed the mains powered
drills have much higher speeds than either a cordless or SDS. Does
the high speed have any advantage for drilling or is torque more
important? Can you give me an example of wood drilling where the SDS
wasn't very good? I've a job on at the moment where I have to drill a
lot of 5mm holes all the way through 70mm timbers and my cordless
isn't up to the job.


DeWalt 566 SDS - £120 ish, will go through anything stone/brick and has
roto/hammer stop

Makita make one for the same price available from Screwfix. Makita are a
far better bet than a Black &Decker, as that is all a DeWalt is.

Makita - 8443DWDE-3 18v Cordless £240 ish, will go through anything
wood, fantastic at driving screws

You'll never regret it

Nick Brooks

On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:29:04 +0100, "IMM" wrote:




Makita make one for the same price available from Screwfix. Makita are a
far better bet than a Black &Decker, as that is all a DeWalt is.

That isn't a realistic comparison. The B&D brand is applied to
entry level DIY tools. DeWalt is applied to professional ones.
Bosch do the same thing with their green and blue ranges.


..andy

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In article ,
IMM wrote:
DeWalt 566 SDS - £120 ish, will go through anything stone/brick and has
roto/hammer stop

Makita make one for the same price available from Screwfix. Makita are a
far better bet than a Black &Decker, as that is all a DeWalt is.

But your only experience is PPPro...

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"Kooky45" wrote in message
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John Rumm wrote in message
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Not sure I follow that... there is no such thing as an SDS chuck as such
- SDS bits just plug straight into the end of the drill. A
conventional chuck for a SDS drill is to all intents and purposes just a
special SDS bit that plugs in like any other.

Chisel is very handy!

I have used my Makita SDS for screwdriving. It has the power and low
speed torque, but the main problem is actually the length - by the time
you have a conventional chuck in there with a hex bit holder the end of
the drill is a long way away. Hence less natural to use for this task.

Something about 2kg with roto and hammer stop.

What you're recommending then points me at most expensive UHE24 which
is around 2Kg, has roto and hammer stop, and two gears for either high
torque driving or high speed drilling. Your point about the chuck and
the extra length doesn't apply to the Metabo as you replace the
existing SDS bit holder (chuck?) with a conventional chuck so the
length and weight stays the same.

You seem to have your heart set on these makes but if you really want decent
speed control then the Bosch PBH2200RE SDS Drill £90 from Argos, has an
electronic speed control, about 10 positions IIRC, This came in very handy
to ensure a slow speed when drilling several ceramic tiles recently.

For drilling wood I suppose you'll be using one of the chuck convertors
mentioned, in which case the drill is going to be pretty long and unweildy.
Have you gone along to a local shop to have a play with one of these things
or something simliar, try and get the chuck convertor on the drill and see
how it feels as well.

As others have noted it's difficult to get a drill that will perform well
for all tasks, and for wood you will be much better off with a mains powered
standard drill or a good battery powered drill.

cheers

David

"Kooky45" wrote in message
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No-one has commented on drill bit speed for wood. I've already got a
12V Power Devil cordless drill which is fine for thin wood and
plasterboard but it's not very fast.

Time for an 18volt cordless unit then :-)

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:47:21 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

Kooky45 wrote:


from the Metabo range as they have a very good quick change mechanism
for swapping the SDS chuck with a conventional one (better than Makita
I believe). I first thought I'd get a BHE24 drill but I know they

Not sure I follow that... there is no such thing as an SDS chuck as such
- SDS bits just plug straight into the end of the drill. A
conventional chuck for a SDS drill is to all intents and purposes just a
special SDS bit that plugs in like any other.



You can have drills with separate chucks. I have the Bosch
Multidrill and that has one chuck for SDS and a different one for
conventional bits.


..andy

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I expect to get an SDS, most likely from scerwfix or toolstation - big
Q is which ones have rotostop AND will not let the chisel wander round
(gradually rotate) as it hammers? Theres no info in the cats about
this. I'm after a 2kg one.


Thanks, NT

In article , N.
Thornton wrote:

I expect to get an SDS, most likely from scerwfix or toolstation - big
Q is which ones have rotostop AND will not let the chisel wander round
(gradually rotate) as it hammers? Theres no info in the cats about
this. I'm after a 2kg one.

I've just bought the Makita HR2450, you can lock the chisel. Just move
the selector half way towards the hammer only setting (the white dot
just visible in the Screwfix catalogue photo), rotate the chisel to your
desired position and move the selector fully over to lock. It also has
an interlock on the mode selector to stop it jumping from one mode to
the other on it's own accord as I understand some of the cheaper models
have been known to do.

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Mike Clarke