I have contacted my local planning department and agreed that i do not
need planning for a conservatory. They have also given me permission
to have a tiled roof instead of polycarbonate or glass.

My issue is that what defines a conservatory. I wanted a dwarf wall
all the way around of about 750mm. Does the remainder HAVE to be
glass for the structure to be called a conservatory?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Shabs wrote:
I have contacted my local planning department and agreed that i do not
need planning for a conservatory. They have also given me permission
to have a tiled roof instead of polycarbonate or glass.

My issue is that what defines a conservatory. I wanted a dwarf wall
all the way around of about 750mm. Does the remainder HAVE to be
glass for the structure to be called a conservatory?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

seems sensible to ask the planning department for their definition
of a conservatory and take it from there. what, exactly, do they think
you are trying to conserve ? ;-)



RT

Shabs wrote:
I have contacted my local planning department and agreed that i do not
need planning for a conservatory. They have also given me permission
to have a tiled roof instead of polycarbonate or glass.

That's an extension, then, not a conservatory.

My issue is that what defines a conservatory. I wanted a dwarf wall
all the way around of about 750mm. Does the remainder HAVE to be
glass for the structure to be called a conservatory?

The definitions are on the ODPM's building regs website somewhere, or
some local authority websites are more helpful than others.

Conservatories have to be predominantly translucent - I think eg
translucent double wall polystyrene is acceptable instead of glass.
Dwarf wall will be acceptable, but NOT tiled room. They also have to
have exterior grade doors between the conservatory and the house.

If the structure does not fulfil the above then it is an extension not a
conservatory, in which case it has to comply with full building
regulations, which are a *completely* separate matter from planning. In
particular, you will have to comply with foundations, which may be
unexpectedly expensive.

Owain

Shabs wrote:
I have contacted my local planning department and agreed that i do not
need planning for a conservatory. They have also given me permission
to have a tiled roof instead of polycarbonate or glass.

My issue is that what defines a conservatory. I wanted a dwarf wall
all the way around of about 750mm. Does the remainder HAVE to be
glass for the structure to be called a conservatory?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

As I understand it, to be classed as a conservatory (and therefore be exempt
from Building Control - which is separate from planning) a certain
percentage of the walls must be translucent. As for the roof, it must be
transparent. Having a tiled roof changes the classification from
conservatory to extension. This may still not require planning permission
(its the size of the extension and some other features which will decide)
but extensions will come under Building Control. Note, if you fail to have
a lockable external door between the original building and the conservatory,
it will also require building control.

Unless you are 100% sure, I believe that because you have a non-transparent
roof it will be classed as an extension.

David

This may still not require planning permission (its the size of the
extension and some other features which will decide) but extensions
will come under Building Control.

Note that it would be difficult in the extreme to get a tiled roof
conservatory past building control.

Christian.

Shabs wrote:
I have contacted my local planning department and agreed that i do not
need planning for a conservatory. They have also given me permission
to have a tiled roof instead of polycarbonate or glass.

My issue is that what defines a conservatory. I wanted a dwarf wall
all the way around of about 750mm. Does the remainder HAVE to be
glass for the structure to be called a conservatory?

Thanks in advance for any comments.

Try googling for:

building control guidance note conservatory site:gov.uk

Thanks for the comments so far... my issue was that I told the
planning department, I have a conservatory with a polycarbonate roof.
Due to the issues wtih rain (noise), and summer and winter (too hot
and too cold), I asked if i could change my polycarbonate roof, to a
traditional tiled roof without needing planning permission.

They advised me that there was no planning application for my
conservatory - done under PD and was exempt as less than 50 cubic
metres, and that as the conservatory did not require planning
permission, to change the roof from polycarbonate to a traditional
tiled roof (lean to conservatory) would not require planning
permission.

The issue was I have not yet built my conservatory but pretended i
had. What i will now do to satisfy the requirements is have a dwarf
wall, tiled lean to roof, and windows and 1 door all the way around
for the remainder. Presumably this will exempt me from building regs?

Shabs wrote:
Thanks for the comments so far... my issue was that I told the
planning department, I have a conservatory with a polycarbonate roof.
Due to the issues wtih rain (noise), and summer and winter (too hot
and too cold), I asked if i could change my polycarbonate roof, to a
traditional tiled roof without needing planning permission.

They advised me that there was no planning application for my
conservatory - done under PD and was exempt as less than 50 cubic
metres, and that as the conservatory did not require planning
permission, to change the roof from polycarbonate to a traditional
tiled roof (lean to conservatory) would not require planning
permission.

The issue was I have not yet built my conservatory but pretended i
had. What i will now do to satisfy the requirements is have a dwarf
wall, tiled lean to roof, and windows and 1 door all the way around
for the remainder. Presumably this will exempt me from building regs?

If the roof is not translucent, and there is not a lockable external quality
door between the 'conservatory' and house, you'll require building regs.

David

If the roof is not translucent, and there is not a lockable external
quality
door between the 'conservatory' and house, you'll require building regs.

Which are exceptionally difficult to obtain with glass walls, as you can't
insulate them.

Christian.

On 16 Mar 2005, Christian McArdle wrote

If the roof is not translucent, and there is not a lockable
external
quality
door between the 'conservatory' and house, you'll require
building regs.

Which are exceptionally difficult to obtain with glass walls, as
you can't insulate them.

Sliding sideways on this -- and asking about something that doesn't
apply to the OP's as-yet-unbuilt "extervatory" -- what would be the
situation under the building regs if one tiled the roof of an
*existing* conservatory (that is, one which was entirely compliant when
built, with glass walls and roof and lockable external door)?

Would it suddenly count as an extension, or would the change fall under
permitted alterations to an existing structure? (What if one put an
"over-roof" above the existing glass, or a suspsended ceiling below
it?)

Just curious, really....

--
Cheers,
Harvey

Harvey Van Sickle wrote:
Sliding sideways on this -- and asking about something that doesn't
apply to the OP's as-yet-unbuilt "extervatory" -- what would be the
situation under the building regs if one tiled the roof of an
*existing* conservatory (that is, one which was entirely compliant when
built, with glass walls and roof and lockable external door)?
Would it suddenly count as an extension, or would the change fall under
permitted alterations to an existing structure? (What if one put an
"over-roof" above the existing glass, or a suspsended ceiling below
it?)
Just curious, really....

It would count as a new roof, with new joists, rafters, supports, wind
loading, rainwater drainage, proximity to other structures for spread of
fire, etc., and will require Building Regulations approval for all of
those and other things besides if it's considered part of a dwelling.

It will also weigh more than a lightweight glass or polywhatsit roof, so
the conservatory beneath might start buckling.

It might be possible to build the roof as a carport -- it will still
need B Regs approval for the relevant things above, but not for thermal
insulation AIUI, and then fill in the sides of the carport with glass later.

Owain

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Shabs wrote:

I have contacted my local planning department and agreed that i do not
need planning for a conservatory. They have also given me permission
to have a tiled roof instead of polycarbonate or glass.

My issue is that what defines a conservatory. I wanted a dwarf wall
all the way around of about 750mm. Does the remainder HAVE to be
glass for the structure to be called a conservatory?

Up here in Scotchland the official definition (from the building regs) is:

"CONSERVATORY means a building attached to a dwelling and having a door
separating it from that dwelling and having not less than three-quarters
of the area of its roof and not less than one-half of the area of its
external walls made of translucent material. "

HTH

--
Alistair Riddell - BOFH
Microsoft - because god hates us

"Harvey Van Sickle" wrote in message
...
Sliding sideways on this -- and asking about something that doesn't
apply to the OP's as-yet-unbuilt "extervatory" -- what would be the
situation under the building regs if one tiled the roof of an
*existing* conservatory (that is, one which was entirely compliant when
built, with glass walls and roof and lockable external door)?

I doubt if it would get as far as the BCO coming. The whole structure would
plummet earthwards before all the tiles were laid.

I think i was trying to argue Christian's point of changing an
existing conservatory to one with a tiled roof, but i can see it will
not escape building regs. I will now try and email my building regs
officer for his comments and keep you posted. The scotchland
definition of 3/4 of the roof needing to be translucent will need
looking at as a tiled roof with a velux will not even come close.

BAD NEWS I'M AFRAID...

Planning expert's views:-

"Yes I am afraid that changing the roof as you mention does bring the
Building Regulations into play. The new work to the roof itself
attracts the Building Regulations and it is also a "change of use" as
it alters a previously exempt building into one that is not any
more.The latter aspect could trigger the need for upgrade of the
existing structure on some counts.

An application would have to be submitted and I advise that you speak
with the Building Control office at the respective local council."