Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

"nthng2snet" wrote in message
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Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

Don't Ikea do an all in one unit that's about 1000mm wide that contains a
sink, hob and fridge?

Ash

Ash wrote:

"nthng2snet" wrote in message
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Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.


Don't Ikea do an all in one unit that's about 1000mm wide that contains a
sink, hob and fridge?

Ash


Ah, but would you be risking life and limb paying them a visit? ;-)

"nthng2snet" wrote
| Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which
| has included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and
| storage unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking
| for some ideas for a layout.

Washing machine -- this can sometimes go into a (cupboard in a) bathroom or
showerroom. (Bathroom converted to a shower often leaves space).

Fridge-freezer is a pain -- I know of no under-counter-height
fridge-freezer, only fridges with iceboxes. I'm surprised there isn't a
market for a single-unit-wide, under-counter-height f/f, given the
increasing number of single-person households.

Freestanding cookers take a lot of space. A hob and a big combi-microwave
will do almost everything for one/two persons not into adventurous cooking,
except pizza.

Owain

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:42:25 -0000, "Ash"
wrote:


"nthng2snet" wrote in message
.. .
Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

Don't Ikea do an all in one unit that's about 1000mm wide that contains a
sink, hob and fridge?

Ash

If it is a meter long all in one then i imagine its the same as I
already have. This is a kitchenette unit comprising of a sink, two
electric hobs, and a fridge.This is all in one unit. I was looking to
install a fitted kitchen, in full, including an oven as I see the
kitchennette unit too small.

nthng2snet wrote in message
....
Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

I made my first ever visit to Ikea last week - not sure this is
something one should boast about? :-) One thing I was very impressed
with was the way they had display layouts making use of small spaces. In
an area the same as the ground floor room of our gite they had an entire
two bedroom apartment! If you are anywhere near them perhaps a visit
would give you some ideas?

--
Holly.
Holiday home in the Dordogne,
website: http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

"nthng2snet" wrote in message

If it is a meter long all in one then i imagine its the same as I
already have. This is a kitchenette unit comprising of a sink, two
electric hobs, and a fridge.This is all in one unit. I was looking to
install a fitted kitchen, in full, including an oven as I see the
kitchennette unit too small.

Think caravans. Oh - you want a wm ... back to the drawing board.

Mary

nthng2snet wrote:
Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

The smallest I've lived with was not much more than a large porch at the
back. Something like this

|-WWWWW-----|
| S / D | U |
|-----------|
| D BACK
|-------| D YARD
| F | C | D
|-------|DDD|-----
|
| REST OF HOUSE
|

F - Fridge with icebox
C - Cooker
S/D - Sink/Drainer
U - Upright full height cupboard.

There would have been room, just, for a washing machine under the
drainer but we had the luxury of a bathroom four times this size with a
washing machine plumbed in there.

We didn't take advantage of the space over the fridge for a wall
cupboard either. A sideboard in the dining room fof the cutlery and
crockery helped too!

Colin

"Ash" wrote in message
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"nthng2snet" wrote in message
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Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

Don't Ikea do an all in one unit that's about 1000mm wide that contains a
sink, hob and fridge?



I had a moment's panic the other day, read the gas FAQ and then
miscalculated my tiny kitchen as being under the 10 cubic metre minimum for
gas fitting - presumably the kitchenette shares the volume of the adjoining
room when in use ?

.... or did I misread the FAQ ?

either way it's likely to need some way to vent heat and vapour

Jeremy

"nthng2snet" wrote in message
...
Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

There are several self-contained kitchenette units sold for use in bed-sits,
small factories, etc. at around 1-1.2m long. I've seen the at various times
in electrical wholesalers' catalogues, although I can't point you at one
right now. You might need to add a freezer though.

Alternatively, go looking for a house in France. You will be offered a
variety of places with amazingly small kitchens.

Colin Bignell

Owain wrote:
"nthng2snet" wrote
| Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which
| has included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and
| storage unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking
| for some ideas for a layout.

Washing machine -- this can sometimes go into a (cupboard in a) bathroom or
showerroom. (Bathroom converted to a shower often leaves space).

Fridge-freezer is a pain -- I know of no under-counter-height
fridge-freezer, only fridges with iceboxes. I'm surprised there isn't a
market for a single-unit-wide, under-counter-height f/f, given the
increasing number of single-person households.

If you could go slightly wider, then you could maybe use from
http://www.argos.co.uk/ (for example)
485/3992 (50cm wide freezer)
485/3961 (50cm wide fridge)

Of course, there is the option of an under-counter freezer, with a
"tabletop" fridge, such as 485/3837, mounted over a worktop.

Or http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=5557307 779
Which I came across would fit even the smallest kitchens.

Colin Bignell wrote
| There are several self-contained kitchenette units sold for
| use in bed-sits, small factories, etc. at around 1-1.2m
| long. I've seen the at various times in electrical
| wholesalers' catalogues, although I can't point you at
| one right now. You might need to add a freezer though.
| Alternatively, go looking for a house in France. You will
| be offered a variety of places with amazingly small kitchens.

And French DIY places have quite a wide selection of such kitchenettes. I
think in French (and possibly German) flats it's quite common for occupants
to leave pipes poking out of the wall and new tenants have to supply their
own kitchens.

Owain

"Ian Stirling" wrote
| Fridge-freezer is a pain -- I know of no under-counter-
| height fridge-freezer, only fridges with iceboxes.
| I'm surprised there isn't a market for a single-unit-wide,
| under-counter-height f/f, given the increasing number
| of single-person households.
| If you could go slightly wider,

The gap next to the fridge is where the laser-printer and scanner live :-)

| then you could maybe use from
| http://www.argos.co.uk/ (for example)
| 485/3992 (50cm wide freezer)
| 485/3961 (50cm wide fridge)

Even though theyr'e slightly 'slimline' individually, that's way too much
space for a single person living near a supermarket.

| Of course, there is the option of an under-counter freezer,
| with a "tabletop" fridge, such as 485/3837, mounted over a
| worktop.

I have considered a tabletop fridge and a tabletop freezer, both under the
worktop. But they're expensive compared to ordinary products.

| Or
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=5557307 7
79
| Which I came across would fit even the smallest kitchens.

giggle I couldn't get a 14" pepperoni pizza in that.

Owain

"brugnospamsia" wrote in message
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"Ash" wrote in message
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"nthng2snet" wrote in message
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Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

Don't Ikea do an all in one unit that's about 1000mm wide that contains
a
sink, hob and fridge?



I had a moment's panic the other day, read the gas FAQ and then
miscalculated my tiny kitchen as being under the 10 cubic metre minimum
for
gas fitting - presumably the kitchenette shares the volume of the
adjoining
room when in use ?

... or did I misread the FAQ ?

Couldn't find the reference to min 10 m^3 for gas fitting in the FAQ. Could
you please point me there?

TIA.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:19:48 -0000, "NotMe" wrote:


"brugnospamsia" wrote in message
o.uk...

"Ash" wrote in message
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"nthng2snet" wrote in message
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Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

Don't Ikea do an all in one unit that's about 1000mm wide that contains
a
sink, hob and fridge?



I had a moment's panic the other day, read the gas FAQ and then
miscalculated my tiny kitchen as being under the 10 cubic metre minimum
for
gas fitting - presumably the kitchenette shares the volume of the
adjoining
room when in use ?

... or did I misread the FAQ ?

Couldn't find the reference to min 10 m^3 for gas fitting in the FAQ. Could
you please point me there?

TIA.

In no particular order.
Ian stirling:The 50cm fridge and freezer is a good idea. If there was
a combined 60/40f/f in this width that would be ideal.
brugnospamsia:The room is vented via a roof window.I would be
interested in your solutions for your mini kitchen.
Owain: the kitchen is small the shower room is even smaller so no
option apart for w/m in kitchen.
Holly:I'm might take a trip to my local store as they have a 'kitchen
system' that looks interesting.
One thing i'm surprised about is the common reference to small
kitchens in France.

"NotMe" wrote in message
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"brugnospamsia" wrote in message
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"Ash" wrote in message
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"nthng2snet" wrote in message
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Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

Don't Ikea do an all in one unit that's about 1000mm wide that
contains
a
sink, hob and fridge?



I had a moment's panic the other day, read the gas FAQ and then
miscalculated my tiny kitchen as being under the 10 cubic metre minimum
for
gas fitting - presumably the kitchenette shares the volume of the
adjoining
room when in use ?

... or did I misread the FAQ ?

Couldn't find the reference to min 10 m^3 for gas fitting in the FAQ.
Could
you please point me there?


http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html

"....

A word of warning:

Some jobs that look straightforward, for example, fitting an inset gas hob
consists essentially of "cut hole, drop in hob, secure, and connect up to
gas supply". However, this hides the fact that there is often a stack of
standards of be complied with which the installation instructions may or may
not tell you about. For instance, in the case of a gas hob the room in
question must have a door, window or other vent that can be opened directly
to outside air and the room must have a volume of at least 10 cubic metres.

...."

"nthng2snet" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:19:48 -0000, "NotMe" wrote:


"brugnospamsia" wrote in message
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brugnospamsia:The room is vented via a roof window.I would be
interested in your solutions for your mini kitchen.

I didn't say I'd solved my problems.:-(

Even my "comparitively luxurious" 8 ft long x 6 ft wide x 7'6 high kitchen
has room for only 4 appliances and no full size oven - just a hob and large
combi oven.at eye level. I plan to fit a dishwasher soon to remove the need
for a large sink and drainer. The precise layout of the sink area is
undecided at the moment.

Storage is a major problem with only 1.5 metres of wall cupboards and an
open shelf underneath. I may end up fitting 300mmm deep cupboards along the
remaining wall under the window - though I was trying to avoid that as it's
so cramped currently with a 21 inch deep sink there.

Many people would make a kitchen/diner in combination with the back room,
but it is the best room in my house for HIFI and TV.
I plan to move as many kitchen functions (esp. "breakfasty things" ) as
possible to the front room and live with the minor inconvenience of carrying
stuff the extra 12 feet.

http://uk.geocities.com/gentlegreengiant/newlayout2.jpg (600kb)

(kitchen lower right)

Jeremy (alias brugmansia alias gentlegreengiant)

nthng2snet wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 11:42:25 -0000, "Ash"
wrote:


"nthng2snet" wrote in message
. ..
Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

Don't Ikea do an all in one unit that's about 1000mm wide that contains a
sink, hob and fridge?

If it is a meter long all in one then i imagine its the same as I
already have. This is a kitchenette unit comprising of a sink, two
electric hobs, and a fridge.This is all in one unit. I was looking to
install a fitted kitchen, in full, including an oven as I see the
kitchennette unit too small.

If I'm understanding your plan correctly.
I don't know if the doors are actual swing doors, or if it's open plan,
and that's just an indication.
Lose 50cm of the worktop, put in a 140cm high (or so) fridge/freezer in there.
On top of the FF, put a combi microwave oven/grill, and a high level
cupboard on top of this, for stuff like cornflake packets that you
won't need to hunt in the back often for. (following manufacturers
recommendations for venting the oven)

This would only be safe if it was open plan, as you really don't want
someone to open the doors when you're getting a roast out.

"nthng2snet" wrote
| Ian stirling:The 50cm fridge and freezer is a good idea.
| Owain: the kitchen is small the shower room is even smaller
| so no option apart for w/m in kitchen.

The advantage of a single height washing machine in a kitchen is worktop
space over it. In other rooms that space is better used as cupboard, so it
might even be worthwhile considering the w/m in the bedroom wardrobe. That's
where the dirty linen originates after all. And for someone out at work, the
w/m can be left on during the day so the noise will not be an issue.

| One thing i'm surprised about is the common reference to small
| kitchens in France.

There is a higher proportion of apartment dwellers in France, and in most
European countries (and Scotland) than there is in England. Especially in
Paris, *very* small flats are created out of the attic rooms originally
intended for the 'bonne'.

Owain

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:56:53 +0000, brugnospamsia wrote:


"NotMe" wrote in message
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"brugnospamsia" wrote in message
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"Ash" wrote in message
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"nthng2snet" wrote in message
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Whats the smallest kitchen yo have seen (excluding boats) which has
included a w/m, f/f. freestanding cooker,sink(of course) and storage
unit/units.I'm trying to plan a kithenette and am looking for some
ideas for a layout.

Don't Ikea do an all in one unit that's about 1000mm wide that
contains
a
sink, hob and fridge?



I had a moment's panic the other day, read the gas FAQ and then
miscalculated my tiny kitchen as being under the 10 cubic metre minimum
for
gas fitting - presumably the kitchenette shares the volume of the
adjoining
room when in use ?

... or did I misread the FAQ ?

Couldn't find the reference to min 10 m^3 for gas fitting in the FAQ.
Could
you please point me there?


http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html

"....

A word of warning:

Some jobs that look straightforward, for example, fitting an inset gas hob
consists essentially of "cut hole, drop in hob, secure, and connect up to
gas supply". However, this hides the fact that there is often a stack of
standards of be complied with which the installation instructions may or may
not tell you about. For instance, in the case of a gas hob the room in
question must have a door, window or other vent that can be opened directly
to outside air and the room must have a volume of at least 10 cubic metres.

...."

If there is no door whatsoever (including hanging strips etc.) between the
kitchenette and the adjoining room then I think you could reasonably
consider the entire space for the calculations.

If there is a door (no matter how much you protest _you_ are going to
always leave it open) then:

If the space is less than 5 cubic metres then
you can't fit a gas cooker or hob. Period.

If the space is less than 10 cubic metres (a lot of small kitchens are
near that value) then you will need a 50cm^2 permanent vent to outside air.


--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html