A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:

I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html

--
Mike Barnes

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
strung together this:

A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:

I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html

Right then, think I'll be ripping my network to pieces next week,
you've put it to shame!
--

SJW
Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject

"Mike Barnes" wrote in message
news
A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:

I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html

--
Mike Barnes

Wow - had a quick look but will read it properly later, definately a labour
of love.

Regards Jeff

Lurch wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
strung together this:


A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:


I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html


Right then, think I'll be ripping my network to pieces next week,
you've put it to shame!

Lurch is right, this is an awesome set up Mike, I'm seriously thinking
of using some of the ideas at my gaff now!

Fantastic! Seriously though, you should look at copyrighting some of the
code and the database UI as that would be really cool on the open market!

Mike

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:11:01 GMT, Mike Hibbert
wrote:

Lurch wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
strung together this:


A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:


I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html


Right then, think I'll be ripping my network to pieces next week,
you've put it to shame!

Lurch is right, this is an awesome set up Mike, I'm seriously thinking
of using some of the ideas at my gaff now!

Fantastic! Seriously though, you should look at copyrighting some of the
code and the database UI as that would be really cool on the open market!

Mike

May the OSF wash you mouth out with soap !!!!!!!!!!!

A copyleft would be much more appripriate

Rick

In uk.d-i-y, Mike Hibbert wrote:
Lurch wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
strung together this:

A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real
CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:


I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html
Right then, think I'll be ripping my network to pieces next week,
you've put it to shame!

Lurch is right, this is an awesome set up Mike, I'm seriously thinking
of using some of the ideas at my gaff now!

Fantastic! Seriously though, you should look at copyrighting some of
the code and the database UI as that would be really cool on the open
market!

Visitors who've used the system have said similar things. But commercial
exploitation, if it was practical, would be too much like *work*. I'm
retired and I intend to stay that way. No-one would be more pleased than
me if commercially-available products took the job of producing a really
user-friendly system more seriously, and if my setup somehow helps that
process along, that's good enough for me.

Anyway the project depends crucially on the (freely contributed) work of
many other people. Just look down the software price list and you'll see
that almost all of it was free.

Thanks for your kind comments, and good luck with your new music system!

--
Mike Barnes

Rick wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:11:01 GMT, Mike Hibbert
wrote:


Lurch wrote:

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
strung together this:



A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:



I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html


Right then, think I'll be ripping my network to pieces next week,
you've put it to shame!

Lurch is right, this is an awesome set up Mike, I'm seriously thinking
of using some of the ideas at my gaff now!

Fantastic! Seriously though, you should look at copyrighting some of the
code and the database UI as that would be really cool on the open market!

Mike


May the OSF wash you mouth out with soap !!!!!!!!!!!

A copyleft would be much more appripriate

Rick


What are you going on about? You seriously too the time to post this?
Amazing!

Mike Hibbert wrote:
Rick wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:11:01 GMT, Mike Hibbert
wrote:


Lurch wrote:

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
strung together this:



A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:



I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll
try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done.
(Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)


Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html



Right then, think I'll be ripping my network to pieces next week,
you've put it to shame!


Lurch is right, this is an awesome set up Mike, I'm seriously
thinking of using some of the ideas at my gaff now!

Fantastic! Seriously though, you should look at copyrighting some of
the code and the database UI as that would be really cool on the open
market!

Mike



May the OSF wash you mouth out with soap !!!!!!!!!!!

A copyleft would be much more appripriate

Rick


What are you going on about? You seriously too the time to post this?
Amazing!

OSF = Open Software Foundation

Copyleft: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/copyleft.html

Cheers,

William.

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:26:51 GMT, Mike Hibbert
wrote:

Rick wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:11:01 GMT, Mike Hibbert
wrote:


Lurch wrote:

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
strung together this:



A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:



I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html


Right then, think I'll be ripping my network to pieces next week,
you've put it to shame!

Lurch is right, this is an awesome set up Mike, I'm seriously thinking
of using some of the ideas at my gaff now!

Fantastic! Seriously though, you should look at copyrighting some of the
code and the database UI as that would be really cool on the open market!

Mike


May the OSF wash you mouth out with soap !!!!!!!!!!!

A copyleft would be much more appripriate

Rick


What are you going on about? You seriously too the time to post this?
Amazing!

Most of the software the OP used is released under the GPL, or
"CopyLeft" (or similar). It would be wrong for the OP to copyright
what he has done. Below is a link .......

http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/copyleft.html


Rick

William McNicol wrote:
Mike Hibbert wrote:

Rick wrote:


On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:11:01 GMT, Mike Hibbert
wrote:



Lurch wrote:


On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
strung together this:




A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:




I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll
try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done.
(Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)


Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html



Right then, think I'll be ripping my network to pieces next week,
you've put it to shame!


Lurch is right, this is an awesome set up Mike, I'm seriously
thinking of using some of the ideas at my gaff now!

Fantastic! Seriously though, you should look at copyrighting some of
the code and the database UI as that would be really cool on the open
market!

Mike



May the OSF wash you mouth out with soap !!!!!!!!!!!

A copyleft would be much more appripriate

Rick


What are you going on about? You seriously too the time to post this?
Amazing!


OSF = Open Software Foundation

Copyleft: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/copyleft.html

Cheers,

William.

Thanks William, Rick's ramblings make sense now!

Looks like a good idea, but how would it hold up if someone wanted to
steal the source and change it just enough to be declared "different"?

Rick wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 15:26:51 GMT, Mike Hibbert
wrote:


Rick wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:11:01 GMT, Mike Hibbert
wrote:



Lurch wrote:


On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
strung together this:




A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:




I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html


Right then, think I'll be ripping my network to pieces next week,
you've put it to shame!

Lurch is right, this is an awesome set up Mike, I'm seriously thinking
of using some of the ideas at my gaff now!

Fantastic! Seriously though, you should look at copyrighting some of the
code and the database UI as that would be really cool on the open market!

Mike


May the OSF wash you mouth out with soap !!!!!!!!!!!

A copyleft would be much more appripriate

Rick


What are you going on about? You seriously too the time to post this?
Amazing!


Most of the software the OP used is released under the GPL, or
"CopyLeft" (or similar). It would be wrong for the OP to copyright
what he has done. Below is a link .......

http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/copyleft.html


Yeah, got it now, William provided a link, looks quite a good concept.

In article , "Mike
Hibbert" says...
snip

Fantastic! Seriously though, you should look at copyrighting some of the
code and the database UI as that would be really cool on the open market!

You don't have to do anything to copyright original work, but
sticking
© Fred Bloggs 2005
somewhere reminds people that copyright exists.

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:02:51 GMT, Mike Hibbert
wrote:

William McNicol wrote:
Mike Hibbert wrote:

Rick wrote:


On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:11:01 GMT, Mike Hibbert
wrote:



Lurch wrote:


On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
strung together this:




A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:




I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll
try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done.
(Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)


Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html



Right then, think I'll be ripping my network to pieces next week,
you've put it to shame!


Lurch is right, this is an awesome set up Mike, I'm seriously
thinking of using some of the ideas at my gaff now!

Fantastic! Seriously though, you should look at copyrighting some of
the code and the database UI as that would be really cool on the open
market!

Mike



May the OSF wash you mouth out with soap !!!!!!!!!!!

A copyleft would be much more appripriate

Rick


What are you going on about? You seriously too the time to post this?
Amazing!


OSF = Open Software Foundation

Copyleft: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/copyleft.html

Cheers,

William.

Thanks William, Rick's ramblings make sense now!

Looks like a good idea, but how would it hold up if someone wanted to
steal the source and change it just enough to be declared "different"?

Thats the whole point, you can take copyleft work, change it, and
release it, but you must keep the orignal copyleft, and release it at
the same level, often meaning you must provide the uncomplied program
with your changes. This also means somebody and take your work change
it ... the wheel turns.

This is why we get "blot ons" bits of extra stuff that you can charge
for, but require an orignal copylefted program (you provide for free)
to work.

Rick

In article , "Rick"
says...

Most of the software the OP used is released under the GPL, or
"CopyLeft" (or similar). It would be wrong for the OP to copyright

Copyright exists - the holder can vary the terms as he sees fit, and
some people choose to do this by making their intellectual property
available under open-source terms, but it's still their IP. If a
copyright holder rescinds his rights to IP by placing it in the
public domain then it may be used by anyone for any reason including
commercial.

Mike Hibbert wrote:

Yeah, got it now, William provided a link, looks quite a good concept.

Very kind of you to say so.




















(Pauses to gather breath. And probably waste it.)






















The majority of servers - Web, news, mail, DNS - certainly counted by
traffic, probably by number too - is open-source softwa Apache,
sendmail, cyrus, postfix, BIND, ... So is the stuff in your firewall
appliance. So is the OS these net-facing programs run on (Linux and the
BSD family outnumber Windows installations for those roles: see
www.netcraft.co.uk). Hell, that nice Mr Gates' first offerings of
Internet-aware software were cloned from BSD sources (typically enough,
with inadequate acknowledgment).

But until you endorsed the concept, it was just a silly idea. Now we can
carry building the Net's infrastructure, safe in the knowledge it's been
blessed by one such as you.

Oh for the days when September came but once a year...

Stefek Zaba wrote:
Mike Hibbert wrote:

Yeah, got it now, William provided a link, looks quite a good concept.


Very kind of you to say so.


(Pauses to gather breath. And probably waste it.)
Snipped lots of wasted space

The majority of servers - Web, news, mail, DNS - certainly counted by
traffic, probably by number too - is open-source softwa Apache,
sendmail, cyrus, postfix, BIND, ... So is the stuff in your firewall
appliance. So is the OS these net-facing programs run on (Linux and the
BSD family outnumber Windows installations for those roles: see
www.netcraft.co.uk). Hell, that nice Mr Gates' first offerings of
Internet-aware software were cloned from BSD sources (typically enough,
with inadequate acknowledgment).

But until you endorsed the concept, it was just a silly idea. Now we can
carry building the Net's infrastructure, safe in the knowledge it's been
blessed by one such as you.

Oh for the days when September came but once a year...

Do you have to be quite so patronising? I wasn't "endorsing" it, I was
commenting on something I hadn't encountered before.

People like you make asking questions and learning new things a truly
unpleasent experience.

"Oh for the days when September came but once a year..."

Meaning what?

Mike Hibbert wrote:

Do you have to be quite so patronising? I wasn't "endorsing" it, I was
commenting on something I hadn't encountered before.

I can be a great deal more patronising if I try.

If your initial reaction to the concept of open source software had been
kept private, or more modest, I wouldn't have spoken up at all.

I was provoked - against my better judgment - by your first two
contributions to this thread. In the first one, you suggested the OP
should copyright/commercialise their code, when the OP had already
listed in full detail just how much they'd stood upon the shoulders of
the open-source giants.

Your second contribution - quoted in full - on being introduced to the
notion of 'copyleft' was the single IMM-like sentence,

'What are you going on about? You seriously too[k] the time
to post this? Amazing!'

and in a third posting, described the two-line posting by the first
contributor to clue you in to the idea of 'copyleft' as 'ramblings'; and
quite clearly hadn't grasped the key concept of 'derivative works', and
how markedly that distinguishes GPL from BSD-style licenses, which a few
minutes' reading of the supplied reference (or anything else relevant)
would have made clear.

Why do I say 'quite clearly hadn't grasped'? Because, in the same
posting where you used "rambling" to describe two lines, you ask, 'but
how would it hold up if someone wanted to steal the source and change it
just enough to be declared "different"?' You've since had the outlines
of an answer: under the GPL style of licenses, the copyright license
requires you to make your own changes available under similarly 'open'
terms, while the BSD-style licenses require only an acknowledgment of
the shoulders you've stood on.

BSD-style licences hence permit exactly the commercial-derivative
behaviour you called 'stealing'; though in practice, both social and
market forces prevent small-value additions being overcharged for.
'Social' because people who do this sort of thing to excess find their
requests for changes to the still-open body of software less likely to
be acted on; 'market' because small-value add-ons can - by definition -
be duplicated by other (commercial or no-charge) actors at low cost.

People like you make asking questions and learning new things a truly
unpleasent experience.

When questions are asked straightforwardly, and I have the time and
knowledge to answer, I do so straightforwardly. groups.google.com will
confirm I'm very rarely patronising or sarcastic. When someone blunders
into a club, family, country, or other social network, and shoots their
mouth off about the weird habits of the locals, the resulting enclueing
is often a lot more unpleasant than my reaction to your postings.

"Oh for the days when September came but once a year..."

Meaning what?

Try http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/culture-faq/ - well worth reading
the whole of it; but if you want your answer super-quickly, most Web
browsers have a 'search in this page' feature, often bound to Ctrl-F. Or
try Googling with the phrase (yes, keep it all in double quotes),
"the year september never ended".

Stefek

Stefek Zaba wrote:
Mike Hibbert wrote:


Do you have to be quite so patronising? I wasn't "endorsing" it, I was
commenting on something I hadn't encountered before.

I can be a great deal more patronising if I try.

I can well believe that, seeing you claim later not to be sarcastic
normally, I must congratulate you, you have taken to it like a fish to
water.

If your initial reaction to the concept of open source software had been
kept private, or more modest, I wouldn't have spoken up at all.

I was provoked - against my better judgment - by your first two
contributions to this thread. In the first one, you suggested the OP
should copyright/commercialise their code, when the OP had already
listed in full detail just how much they'd stood upon the shoulders of
the open-source giants.

Your second contribution - quoted in full - on being introduced to the
notion of 'copyleft' was the single IMM-like sentence,

'What are you going on about? You seriously too[k] the time
to post this? Amazing!'

I stand by that, had Rick have made a link to the explanation in the
same way that William did, then it would have made some sense. Generally
people would undertand buzz words within a given topic, this, being aDIY
group, I would generally not expect to understand comments about
"copyleft" - which on the face of it seemed like a glib "IMM Style"
facetious comment.


and in a third posting, described the two-line posting by the first
contributor to clue you in to the idea of 'copyleft' as 'ramblings'; and
quite clearly hadn't grasped the key concept of 'derivative works', and
how markedly that distinguishes GPL from BSD-style licenses, which a few
minutes' reading of the supplied reference (or anything else relevant)
would have made clear.

The ramblings comment was entirely flippant.

Why do I say 'quite clearly hadn't grasped'? Because, in the same
posting where you used "rambling" to describe two lines, you ask, 'but
how would it hold up if someone wanted to steal the source and change it
just enough to be declared "different"?' You've since had the outlines
of an answer: under the GPL style of licenses, the copyright license
requires you to make your own changes available under similarly 'open'
terms, while the BSD-style licenses require only an acknowledgment of
the shoulders you've stood on.

OK, I agree, I should have read it in more detail, but I have spent the
day doing CBT, reading and absorbing anything technical was beyond me.

BSD-style licences hence permit exactly the commercial-derivative
behaviour you called 'stealing'; though in practice, both social and
market forces prevent small-value additions being overcharged for.
'Social' because people who do this sort of thing to excess find their
requests for changes to the still-open body of software less likely to
be acted on; 'market' because small-value add-ons can - by definition -
be duplicated by other (commercial or no-charge) actors at low cost.

People like you make asking questions and learning new things a truly
unpleasent experience.

When questions are asked straightforwardly, and I have the time and
knowledge to answer, I do so straightforwardly. groups.google.com will
confirm I'm very rarely patronising or sarcastic. When someone blunders
into a club, family, country, or other social network, and shoots their
mouth off about the weird habits of the locals, the resulting enclueing
is often a lot more unpleasant than my reaction to your postings.

And the same groups.google.com will quicky reveal that I generally ask
sensible questions and conribute politely when I can.

"Oh for the days when September came but once a year..."

Meaning what?


Try http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/culture-faq/ - well worth reading
the whole of it; but if you want your answer super-quickly, most Web
browsers have a 'search in this page' feature, often bound to Ctrl-F. Or
try Googling with the phrase (yes, keep it all in double quotes),
"the year september never ended".

Ahh, another patronising comment likening me to a student. Nice one,
I've been writing code for many years now, and met many people just like
you before. I had no arguement with yu, but you just had to charge in
shooting off your superiority. Well done, you are cleverer than me on
this topic.

Mike Hibbert wrote:

People like you make asking questions and learning new things a truly
unpleasent experience.

I think that even the most cursory review of Stefek's posting history
(including this post, which was both witty and informative) would show
that the above statement is almost the exact opposite of the truth.



"Oh for the days when September came but once a year..."

Meaning what?

Oh, the irony. My sides hurt...


--
Grunff

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:11:04 +0000, Mike Barnes
wrote:

A few weeks ago I posted to this group, in a discussion about real CDs
versus copies of CDs on PC hard drives, this:

I'm actually constructing a web site about my PC jukebox, and I'll try
to remember to post the URL here in a week or two when it's done. (Done?
Hah! Abandoned, more like.)

Here it is, for anyone that's interested:

http://www.thedowerhouse.com/jukebox/index.html

You use wma files - the rights to the format of which are owned by
microsoft. Have you considered using FLAC? FLAC stands for Free
Lossless Audio Codec, and is available free from
http://flac.sourceforge.net/.

Markus.

Grunff wrote:
Mike Hibbert wrote:

People like you make asking questions and learning new things a truly
unpleasent experience.


I think that even the most cursory review of Stefek's posting history
(including this post, which was both witty and informative) would show
that the above statement is almost the exact opposite of the truth.



"Oh for the days when September came but once a year..."

Meaning what?


Oh, the irony. My sides hurt...

Hmmm, did kinda walk into that one I guess!

Stefek Zaba wrote:
Mike Hibbert wrote:
"Oh for the days when September came but once a year..."

Meaning what?


Try http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/culture-faq/ - well worth reading
the whole of it; but if you want your answer super-quickly, most Web
browsers have a 'search in this page' feature, often bound to Ctrl-F. Or
try Googling with the phrase (yes, keep it all in double quotes),
"the year september never ended".

Have to say I'd never come across the expression before, so I did the
google as suggested.... this was the first hit:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20977
Looks like September is finally ending! (or not...).

David

In uk.d-i-y, Markus Splenius wrote:
You use wma files - the rights to the format of which are owned by
microsoft. Have you considered using FLAC? FLAC stands for Free
Lossless Audio Codec, and is available free from
http://flac.sourceforge.net/.

Yes, I did consider FLAC, in fact I went further than that and
downloaded and tried it. I seem to remember that the Winamp input
plugin(s) that I tried were unreliable. Or perhaps the tagging was
weird. Or something, I really don't remember the details, but I do
remember that it didn't work out. FLAC was attractive for the reasons
you state but it just didn't work out. WMA has the advantage of
widespread compatibility (the format I choose has to work with EAC,
Media Center, Winamp, iTunes, and whatever I fancy using next), and I
gain comfort from the thought that if I change my mind at some time in
the future, it would be possible to reverse the files back out from WMA
to WAV, and from there to wherever I fancy.

I'd prefer not be in Bill's clutches but WMA does seem to be the best of
the available options.

Thanks for the suggestion.

--
Mike Barnes

In uk.d-i-y, Mike Barnes wrote:
In uk.d-i-y, Markus Splenius wrote:
You use wma files - the rights to the format of which are owned by
microsoft. Have you considered using FLAC? FLAC stands for Free
Lossless Audio Codec, and is available free from
http://flac.sourceforge.net/.

Yes, I did consider FLAC, in fact I went further than that and
downloaded and tried it. I seem to remember that the Winamp input
plugin(s) that I tried were unreliable. Or perhaps the tagging was
weird. Or something, I really don't remember the details, but I do
remember that it didn't work out.

By a strange coincidence I've just stumbled across the piece of paper
with the matrix of tick-boxes that I used to select a file format. FLAC
lost out on iTunes support. Also rejected were WAV (no tags) and Apple
Lossless (no Winamp support). Those deficiencies might have been
overcome by now but having encoded over 500 CDs there's no point in
changing format until I have to.

--
Mike Barnes

Mike Barnes wrote:
In uk.d-i-y, Mike Barnes wrote:

In uk.d-i-y, Markus Splenius wrote:

You use wma files - the rights to the format of which are owned by
microsoft. Have you considered using FLAC? FLAC stands for Free
Lossless Audio Codec, and is available free from
http://flac.sourceforge.net/.

Yes, I did consider FLAC, in fact I went further than that and
downloaded and tried it. I seem to remember that the Winamp input
plugin(s) that I tried were unreliable. Or perhaps the tagging was
weird. Or something, I really don't remember the details, but I do
remember that it didn't work out.


By a strange coincidence I've just stumbled across the piece of paper
with the matrix of tick-boxes that I used to select a file format. FLAC
lost out on iTunes support. Also rejected were WAV (no tags) and Apple
Lossless (no Winamp support). Those deficiencies might have been
overcome by now but having encoded over 500 CDs there's no point in
changing format until I have to.


Yeah the changing format thing can be pain, I chopped about 400 to MP3,
and I now so wich I'd gone with ogg. But when I did mine, Ogg was new
and shiny and could have been going nowhere.