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Kaiser wrote:

If you are using it purely for DIY and you want something that
should
last
you, look at the factory recon Bosch PBH 2200 RE, £59.00 at the
following
site.


http://www.healystool.co.uk/Right%20...n/bshdiydr.htm

Interesting: never come across them before. Have you bought from
them -
is their kit OK? How about batteries: what are they like: do they
come
with new cells?

David

Please, you must buy from this shop.

Don't you mean Wickes

No. This rip-off seconds hand stuff place. This shop and him deserve
each
other.



I see you

snip drivel and promoting expensive substandard second hand stuff

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Kaiser wrote:

If you are using it purely for DIY and you want something that
should
last
you, look at the factory recon Bosch PBH 2200 RE, £59.00 at the
following
site.



http://www.healystool.co.uk/Right%20...n/bshdiydr.htm

Interesting: never come across them before. Have you bought from
them -
is their kit OK? How about batteries: what are they like: do
they
come
with new cells?

David

Please, you must buy from this shop.

Don't you mean Wickes

No. This rip-off seconds hand stuff place. This shop and him
deserve
each
other.



I see you

snip drivel and promoting expensive substandard second hand stuff

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:37:38 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

IMM wrote:


Makita? Look at the price.

As you have admitted yourself before, the Makita HR2450 SDS is
competitively priced (i.e. in the 80 - 120 figure you mention above).

Where can you get one of these for £80? ;-)

Mark

Mark wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:37:38 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:


IMM wrote:



Makita? Look at the price.

As you have admitted yourself before, the Makita HR2450 SDS is
competitively priced (i.e. in the 80 - 120 figure you mention above).


Where can you get one of these for £80? ;-)

Best I have seen it is for about 100... You may be able to get the
version without roto stop for 80.

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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:01:10 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

Mark wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:37:38 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:


IMM wrote:



Makita? Look at the price.

As you have admitted yourself before, the Makita HR2450 SDS is
competitively priced (i.e. in the 80 - 120 figure you mention above).


Where can you get one of these for £80? ;-)

Best I have seen it is for about 100... You may be able to get the
version without roto stop for 80.

The cheapest I can find (including VAT and delivery) is from itslondon
at £117.44. Can you remember where you found it for less?

Regards, Mark

Rod Hewitt wrote:

What Lobster said. Only gripe is that it doesn't lock the bit when using
rotary stop - so it just wanders round randomly. However, I am now aware of
that so would ensure that a replacement did have that feature.

Yes I do find that slightly irritating too - a chisel will tend to
rotate slightly as you're hammering away. So do more upmarket machines
definitely *not* allow this to happen? Is this a case of 'when is rotary
stop NOT rotary stop'?

David

Lobster wrote:

Yes I do find that slightly irritating too - a chisel will tend to
rotate slightly as you're hammering away. So do more upmarket machines
definitely *not* allow this to happen? Is this a case of 'when is rotary
stop NOT rotary stop'?

There seem to be three classes of performance in this area:

No lock, rotates at will, not much use with a flat chisel bit for
cutting a straight line

Locks in fixed position, much better, but may mean holding the drill at
an uncomfortable angle to get the bit where you want (often a feature on
heavy drills as well!)

Locks in a user selectable position (or at least one of a number of
positions), obviously the best option.


I note the "buy two cheap ones" advocates often neglect to mention
this... ;-)

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Mark wrote:

The cheapest I can find (including VAT and delivery) is from itslondon
at £117.44. Can you remember where you found it for less?

Lawson HIS are often quite good:

http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...hisel%20Drills

117 including a 3 jaw add on chuck.

The powertools.co.uk that was mentioned the other day are about the
same. Can't see it much cheaper anywhere else at the moment.




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John Rumm wrote:
Lobster wrote:

Yes I do find that slightly irritating too - a chisel will tend to
rotate slightly as you're hammering away. So do more upmarket
machines definitely *not* allow this to happen? Is this a case of
'when is rotary stop NOT rotary stop'?

There seem to be three classes of performance in this area:

No lock, rotates at will, not much use with a flat chisel bit for
cutting a straight line

Ok, so, sounds like my Screwfix jobbie falls into this class then. I
thought that 'rotary stop' just meant that my flat chisel would refrain
from spinning around at 750rpm... evidently the 0.5rpm which it does in
'chisel mode' doesn't count as rotostop then?!

Locks in fixed position, much better, but may mean holding the drill at
an uncomfortable angle to get the bit where you want (often a feature on
heavy drills as well!)

Locks in a user selectable position (or at least one of a number of
positions), obviously the best option.

David

Lobster wrote:

Ok, so, sounds like my Screwfix jobbie falls into this class then. I
thought that 'rotary stop' just meant that my flat chisel would refrain
from spinning around at 750rpm... evidently the 0.5rpm which it does in
'chisel mode' doesn't count as rotostop then?!

Na, it stops driving it round, brakes are an option extra!


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In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Ok, so, sounds like my Screwfix jobbie falls into this class then. I
thought that 'rotary stop' just meant that my flat chisel would refrain
from spinning around at 750rpm... evidently the 0.5rpm which it does in
'chisel mode' doesn't count as rotostop then?!

Na, it stops driving it round, brakes are an option extra!

The DeWalt has a choice of latched positions. A clutch which gave an
infinitely variable one would be too complicated?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The DeWalt has a choice of latched positions. A clutch which gave an
infinitely variable one would be too complicated?

Seems to work well enough on the Makita. Having said that I am not sure
if it is actually a clutch with truly variable position, or just very
finely spaced fixed positions.

(there is a spot on the selector which lets you twist round the bit to
the angle you want, you then rotate the selector the final 1/8th turn to
the hammer position and it locks in place)

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John Rumm wrote:
Lobster wrote:

Yes I do find that slightly irritating too - a chisel will tend to
rotate slightly as you're hammering away. So do more upmarket machines
definitely *not* allow this to happen? Is this a case of 'when is rotary
stop NOT rotary stop'?

There seem to be three classes of performance in this area:

No lock, rotates at will, not much use with a flat chisel bit for
cutting a straight line

Locks in fixed position, much better, but may mean holding the drill at
an uncomfortable angle to get the bit where you want (often a feature on
heavy drills as well!)

Locks in a user selectable position (or at least one of a number of
positions), obviously the best option.

I note the "buy two cheap ones" advocates often neglect to mention
this... ;-)

My "cheap one" (a Stayer, possible not 'cheap' now but it was one of
the cheapest when I bought it for £80) has both 'rotates at will' and
'Locks in a user selectable position', so cheap doesn't necessarily
equate to not having the options.

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Chris Green

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:01:07 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

Mark wrote:

The cheapest I can find (including VAT and delivery) is from itslondon
at £117.44. Can you remember where you found it for less?

Lawson HIS are often quite good:

http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...hisel%20Drills

117 including a 3 jaw add on chuck.

Thanks. I've ordered one now. Do you get commission? :-)

Mark

Mark wrote:

Thanks. I've ordered one now. Do you get commission? :-)

Yes, but you need to send me a cheque directly ;-)

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