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The below is true but I have been looking into this and I dont need
Planning Permission as its less than 1/2 size of property, more than 5
meters from house and not higher than 3 meters from highest point of
ground as the garden is split layer.

So i am wondering if i can get around Building regs if i decrease the
scale so thats it 7x4 meters (under 30m2) and build it of non
combustabile materials as it closer than 1 meter to boundary. This
under schedule 2 of building regs means its exempt BUT its is a two
storie buidling and I have a nasty feeling this will mean building
regs are required and therefore we could revert back to the original
sizes??

Another idea was to build a single layer building on the lower level
exepmt of PP and regs but then place a large log cabin on the top
effectively giving a two storie would this work??

Regards

Anthony


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From: antz )
Subject: Building a two story garden building!


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Date: 2004-08-23 04:12:12 PST


Hello

I am looking for some advice on building a garden building!
I have read the threads about garden offices but this is on a larger
scale!!!

We have a large garden that is split on two layers with the top garden
(the smallest) extending from the house.

we are hoping for a brick/block built building measuring about 7m x
12m.
For this the top garden will be dug down to the level of the bottom
garden and the foundations will be placed! The building will be on two
levels with the bottom being a garden shed / bike shed /workshop and
the upper layer being a gamesroom/ bar/ gym.

what would be the best way to get this project going?
I have never been though this process. do i commision an architec? or
just get some outline plans drawn (by who) and submit these to the
local planning office?

cheers

anthony
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From: dg )
Subject: Building a two story garden building!


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Date: 2004-08-23 13:37:58 PST


You want a 'designer' to prepare plans for [possibly] Planning
Approval, and for Buiding Regulation Approval too. Also consider that
the plans should be suitably detailed and specified to include
internal fit out and finishes.

The designer can be an Architect, or architectural technician,
Building Surveyor or Building Engineer.

An Architect will cost you much more money, but will possibly have
more 'artistic' ideas. If its just a basic building then use someone
from the other professions. An Architect may charge upto 10% of the
project cost

Also consider using the designer to project manage the work if you
don't want to deal with the builders.

Essentially the designer should:
note your requirements
assess the site
prepare some preliminary designs for your agreement
finalise a design (what you want/what you can have) and submit for
approval
Prepare full working drawings for building.
Give a rough cost estimate

Also be aware that the designer should be suitablly experienced to
know that what he designs will stand a good chance of being approved
by the local Planning dept. Agree an inclusive fee for getting any
required approval.

dg


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From: N. Thornton )
Subject: Building a two story garden building!


(antz) wrote in message

i think youll find you need PP for a house.

NT

The below is true but I have been looking into this and I dont need
Planning Permission as its less than 1/2 size of property, more than 5
meters from house and not higher than 3 meters from highest point of
ground as the garden is split layer.

But what is the cubic volume of it, compared to the original house? Are
there previous extensions/conservatories etc. Is it in a conservation
area and were the permitted development rights withheld when the
property was built (many estate locations would be built with permitted
development withdrawn).

Christian.

"antz" wrote in message
om...
Hi please see below: I dont know how to post updates to old messages

The below is true but I have been looking into this and I dont need
Planning Permission as its less than 1/2 size of property, more than 5
meters from house and not higher than 3 meters from highest point of
ground as the garden is split layer.

So i am wondering if i can get around Building regs ...

It may be exempt from the planning process (though I think not) but it's
never exempt from the building regulations.

"antz" wrote in message
om...
Hi please see below: I dont know how to post updates to old messages

The below is true but I have been looking into this and I dont need
Planning Permission as its less than 1/2 size of property, more than 5
meters from house and not higher than 3 meters from highest point of
ground as the garden is split layer.

So i am wondering if i can get around Building regs if i decrease the
scale so thats it 7x4 meters (under 30m2) and build it of non
combustabile materials as it closer than 1 meter to boundary. This
under schedule 2 of building regs means its exempt BUT its is a two
storie buidling and I have a nasty feeling this will mean building
regs are required and therefore we could revert back to the original
sizes??

Another idea was to build a single layer building on the lower level
exepmt of PP and regs but then place a large log cabin on the top
effectively giving a two storie would this work??

Regards

Anthony

Anything with a floor that is meant to take the loading of a habitable area
needs planning and building permission in all parts of the UK. When you
start to rise up to a second floor you need structural design drawings for
load bearing walls and roof structures as well. If you want to put drainage
and water supplies in to it, you meet further regulations and requirements.
So you're better starting with a planned drawing and detailed build
structure notice, and submit all this to your local councils appropriate
departments, and work your way out from there.

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So i am wondering if i can get around Building regs if i decrease the
scale so thats it 7x4 meters (under 30m2) and build it of non
combustabile materials as it closer than 1 meter to boundary. This
under schedule 2 of building regs means its exempt BUT its is a two
storie buidling and I have a nasty feeling this will mean building
regs are required and therefore we could revert back to the original
sizes??

Another idea was to build a single layer building on the lower level
exepmt of PP and regs but then place a large log cabin on the top
effectively giving a two storie would this work??

To be exempt any small building not containing sleeping accommodation
needs to be detached, single storey, have a floor area of less than
30m² and either be substantially non-combustible or more than 1.0m
from a boundary. As your proposal is two storeys, it's not exempt.

If you added another storey onto an existing single storey building,
this would make the whole thing non-exempt, and you would need to
expose the foundations and supporting structure.
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