It's begun to strike me that my old Hotpoint washing machine doesn't get
collars and cuffs as clean as it did 10 years ago when it was new. Maybe it's
my imagination or maybe it's just that all my shirts are old and f**ked. There
are no obvious operating problems so I'm wondering if the water isn't being
heated to full temp. Years ago I used to use a 40c setting with perfectly good
results but lately I've started to try 50c with no great improvement. How do
you measure the water temp inside the machine while it's performing a cycle? A
hand on the glass door would be a rough and ready guide so I'll try that next
time I do a wash just to make sure it isn't stone cold but an accurate check
would be handy. Even with a thermometer on the outside of the glass I can't see
one being able to get a proper reading of the temp inside.

If it isn't machine then perhaps it's time to try a different soap powder.


Dave Baker - Puma Race Engines (www.pumaracing.co.uk)
I'm not at all sure why women like men. We're argumentative, childish,
unsociable and extremely unappealing naked. I'm quite grateful they do though.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Dave Baker wrote:

It's begun to strike me that my old Hotpoint washing machine doesn't
get collars and cuffs as clean as it did 10 years ago when it was
new. Maybe it's my imagination or maybe it's just that all my shirts
are old and f**ked. There are no obvious operating problems so I'm
wondering if the water isn't being heated to full temp. Years ago I
used to use a 40c setting with perfectly good results but lately I've
started to try 50c with no great improvement. How do you measure the
water temp inside the machine while it's performing a cycle? A hand
on the glass door would be a rough and ready guide so I'll try that
next time I do a wash just to make sure it isn't stone cold but an
accurate check would be handy. Even with a thermometer on the outside
of the glass I can't see one being able to get a proper reading of
the temp inside.

If it isn't machine then perhaps it's time to try a different soap
powder.


I would have expected it to have an interlock preventing the cycle from
running until the water was up to the required temperature. Thus if, for
example, the heating element failed, I would expect the cycle not to
complete. I suppose the sensor could be faulty, and could be lying about the
actual temperature.

If the temperature is ok (and I can't think of an easy way to measure it
accurately!) are you sure that the soap powder is being dispensed properly.
Are you putting it in the tray, or using one of these spherical objects in
with the washing?
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"Dave Baker" wrote in message
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It's begun to strike me that my old Hotpoint washing machine doesn't get
collars and cuffs as clean as it did 10 years ago when it was new. Maybe
it's
my imagination or maybe it's just that all my shirts are old and f**ked.
There
are no obvious operating problems so I'm wondering if the water isn't
being
heated to full temp. Years ago I used to use a 40c setting with perfectly
good
results but lately I've started to try 50c with no great improvement. How
do
you measure the water temp inside the machine while it's performing a
cycle? A
hand on the glass door would be a rough and ready guide so I'll try that
next
time I do a wash just to make sure it isn't stone cold but an accurate
check
would be handy. Even with a thermometer on the outside of the glass I
can't see
one being able to get a proper reading of the temp inside.

If it isn't machine then perhaps it's time to try a different soap powder.


Dave Baker - Puma Race Engines (www.pumaracing.co.

Measure the temp of the water as it is pumped out.

mrcheerful

On 12 May 2004 17:22:49 GMT, a (Dave Baker) wrote:

It's begun to strike me that my old Hotpoint washing machine doesn't get
collars and cuffs as clean as it did 10 years ago when it was new. Maybe it's
my imagination or maybe it's just that all my shirts are old and f**ked. There
are no obvious operating problems so I'm wondering if the water isn't being
heated to full temp. Years ago I used to use a 40c setting with perfectly good
results but lately I've started to try 50c with no great improvement. How do
you measure the water temp inside the machine while it's performing a cycle? A
hand on the glass door would be a rough and ready guide so I'll try that next
time I do a wash just to make sure it isn't stone cold but an accurate check
would be handy. Even with a thermometer on the outside of the glass I can't see
one being able to get a proper reading of the temp inside.

Hi,

An RF remote thermometer sensor sealed in thick plastic or a
waterproof box should be able to measure the water temperature OK

cheers,
Pete.

If it isn't machine then perhaps it's time to try a different soap powder.


Dave Baker - Puma Race Engines (www.pumaracing.co.uk)
I'm not at all sure why women like men. We're argumentative, childish,
unsociable and extremely unappealing naked. I'm quite grateful they do though.

In message , mrcheerful
writes


Measure the temp of the water as it is pumped out.

But, he needs to compare it with the outflow temperature from before
which he negligently probably didn't do
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geoff

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
geoff wrote:

In message ,
mrcheerful writes


Measure the temp of the water as it is pumped out.

But, he needs to compare it with the outflow temperature from before
which he negligently probably didn't do


When did *you* last measure *yours*? g
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a (Dave Baker) wrote in message ...
It's begun to strike me that my old Hotpoint washing machine doesn't get
collars and cuffs as clean as it did 10 years ago when it was new. Maybe it's
my imagination or maybe it's just that all my shirts are old and f**ked. There
are no obvious operating problems so I'm wondering if the water isn't being
heated to full temp. Years ago I used to use a 40c setting with perfectly good
results but lately I've started to try 50c with no great improvement. How do
you measure the water temp inside the machine while it's performing a cycle? A
hand on the glass door would be a rough and ready guide so I'll try that next
time I do a wash just to make sure it isn't stone cold but an accurate check
would be handy. Even with a thermometer on the outside of the glass I can't see
one being able to get a proper reading of the temp inside.

If it isn't machine then perhaps it's time to try a different soap powder.


This well known problem can have the following causes:

machine drum lined with muck: accumulates over years, end result is
the detergent is attaching to the muck instead of the clothes. Thuis
is more of a problem with liquids than powders, and when hot washers
are never used.

use of washing blocks instead of powders: some blocks dont dissolve
until either part way through the wash, rinse cycles, or just not at
all. That includes some well known advertised ones.

Clothes gradually accumulating slight non-washable stains over the
years, or in need of bleaching.


Regards, NT

"N. Thornton" wrote in message
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a (Dave Baker) wrote in message
...
It's begun to strike me that my old Hotpoint washing machine doesn't get
collars and cuffs as clean as it did 10 years ago when it was new. Maybe
it's
my imagination or maybe it's just that all my shirts are old and f**ked.
There
are no obvious operating problems so I'm wondering if the water isn't
being
heated to full temp. Years ago I used to use a 40c setting with
perfectly good
results but lately I've started to try 50c with no great improvement.
How do
you measure the water temp inside the machine while it's performing a
cycle? A
hand on the glass door would be a rough and ready guide so I'll try that
next
time I do a wash just to make sure it isn't stone cold but an accurate
check
would be handy. Even with a thermometer on the outside of the glass I
can't see
one being able to get a proper reading of the temp inside.

If it isn't machine then perhaps it's time to try a different soap
powder.


This well known problem can have the following causes:

machine drum lined with muck: accumulates over years, end result is
the detergent is attaching to the muck instead of the clothes. Thuis
is more of a problem with liquids than powders, and when hot washers
are never used.

use of washing blocks instead of powders: some blocks dont dissolve
until either part way through the wash, rinse cycles, or just not at
all. That includes some well known advertised ones.

Clothes gradually accumulating slight non-washable stains over the
years, or in need of bleaching.

Having tried to research buying a new Washing Machine recently (the old
Washer/Dryer refused to move into its new home and promptly died just as I
had got the plumbing sorted out in the utility room - thanks for the
guidance on waste water and where to put it - people), I was reading:
www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk for tips and ideas.

Somewhere on the site it mentions your problem with reduced performance of
the washing machine and the basic cure is to use powder (real stuff from a
big box) and wash through a boil wash empty. Guess this should shift any
stuff that needs shifting.

HTH
--
Peoples Pal

"big al - Peoples Pal" wrote in message ...
"N. Thornton" wrote in message
om...
a (Dave Baker) wrote in message
...
It's begun to strike me that my old Hotpoint washing machine doesn't get
collars and cuffs as clean as it did 10 years ago when it was new. Maybe
it's
my imagination or maybe it's just that all my shirts are old and f**ked.
There
are no obvious operating problems so I'm wondering if the water isn't
being
heated to full temp. Years ago I used to use a 40c setting with
perfectly good
results but lately I've started to try 50c with no great improvement.


Of course, if you do your washing with the economy button selected, it
will bypass the heat pause. It won't heat the water no matter what
temprature you select.

Larry

"Dave Baker" wrote in message
...
It's begun to strike me that my old Hotpoint washing machine doesn't get
collars and cuffs as clean as it did 10 years ago when it was new. Maybe
it's
my imagination or maybe it's just that all my shirts are old and f**ked.
There
are no obvious operating problems so I'm wondering if the water isn't
being
heated to full temp. Years ago I used to use a 40c setting with perfectly
good
results but lately I've started to try 50c with no great improvement. How
do
you measure the water temp inside the machine while it's performing a
cycle? A
hand on the glass door would be a rough and ready guide so I'll try that
next
time I do a wash just to make sure it isn't stone cold but an accurate
check
would be handy. Even with a thermometer on the outside of the glass I
can't see
one being able to get a proper reading of the temp inside.

If it isn't machine then perhaps it's time to try a different soap powder.

Go through a boil wash, empty of clothes, using citric acid to get the
lining of detergent off the drum. Then use good quality powder in washes.
Give it a try.

In message , Set Square
writes
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
geoff wrote:

In message ,
mrcheerful writes


Measure the temp of the water as it is pumped out.

But, he needs to compare it with the outflow temperature from before
which he negligently probably didn't do


When did *you* last measure *yours*? g

Isn't that a rather personal question ?



--
geoff

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
geoff wrote:

In message , Set Square
writes
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
geoff wrote:

In message ,
mrcheerful writes


Measure the temp of the water as it is pumped out.

But, he needs to compare it with the outflow temperature from before
which he negligently probably didn't do


When did *you* last measure *yours*? g

Isn't that a rather personal question ?

I don't know what you mean! I *was* referring to your washing machine outlet
temperature, honest!g
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