The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears to be
the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's the difference?

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:03:31 +0100, Dave Plowman wrote:

The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears to be
the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's the
difference?

I came across this when I was wiring my house, before wireless LAN, now
I'm wondering if it was worth it! They are two (very similar) standards. I
think I read before that it's to do with backward compatibility with old
standards. I don't think it should matter at all, once you are consistent
with the sockets and the patch panel, and of course if there is no CAT5
wiring in the building already.

Derek.

"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
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The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears to be
the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's the
difference?

Just looked in my Black Box catalogue, which has very useful wiring diagrams
for CAT5 cable, and it mentions 3 variants:
568A
568B
USOC
Unfortunately it doesn't explain why there are 3 different standards.

568A and 568B are very similar; 3 pairs stay together and the 4th pair
splits and divides them (outside;pair 1;single;pair 2; single; pair 3;
outside). Only difference seems to be that for A the orange is split and for
B the green is split.

So (as mentioned elsewhere) it doesn't really matter as long as both ends of
an individual cable (plug to plug, plug to box, box to box) are wired to the
same standard.

AFAICS you could use a mixture of standards on patch cables and they would
all interwork fine.

USOC is different in that it splits 3 pairs and only keeps the blues
together.
See http://www.blackbox.com/tech_docs/te...iews/usoc.html

Again no reason why an individual cable or cable run can't use this
standard.

Google just turned up http://www.ablecables.com.au/568avb.htm which looks
like a good read :-)

Cheers
Dave R

In uk.d-i-y, Dave Plowman wrote:
The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears to be
the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's the difference?

Google's your friend on this one. What's vital to correct functioning
is that the following four pairs of pins are each wired with a
twisted-pair of their own: 1-2, 3-6, 4-5, 7-8. Note this is indeed a
bizarre pairing: for the four pins in the middle of the connector it
goes 'innermost to outermost', with 4-5 innermost and 3-6 surrounding it;
but for the 4 pins at the edges it goes 'adjacent'. (There's an utterly
anoraky-historic reason reaching into the historical evolution of the
US phone system standards). And within each pair, pin positions should
not get swapped - i.e. 1 goes to 1 not to 2, 3 goes to 3 not to 6, and so
on.

The electrons themselves don't give a monkeys about the colour of the
jacket insulation, and for any one length of wiring between two connectors
performance will be unaffected provided you get the pairing-up right.
So you could wire a patch-cord as follows: 1-2 in white-green/green;
3-6 in brown/white-brown; 4-5 in blue/white-blue; and 7-8 in
white-orange/orange; while wiring a socket-to-patch panel as 1-2 in
white-brown/brown, 3-6 in white-blue/blue, 4-5 in orange/white-orange,
7-8 in green/white-green. Any of the (24 pairings * 16 solid-or-tracer-first)
= 384 combinations will work just as well as any other, electrically.

Maintenance-wise, though, it'd be complete idiocy to vary the colour coding
like that. So, we have a Standard. But to confuse the world, we have *two*
almost-but-not-quite identical standards, roughly being "the old Bell
Telephone way adhered to in many but not all US installations and increasingly
widely used the whole world over" and "the international-standards-org-blessed
just-a-little-bit-different way", with the latter having one variant identical
to the Bell Telephone way (so as not to have the US delegation voting against
the standard) and the other being "The One True Way" which swaps the colour
of the pairs used for pins 1-2 and 3-6 - which are the only two pairs used
for most 10BaseT and 100BaseT interfaces, leaving 3-6 and 7-8 unchanged. Thus:
pin T586A T586B
1 wh/green wh/orange
2 green orange
3 wh/orange wh/green
4 blue blue
5 wh/blue wh/blue
6 orange green
7 wh/brown wh/brown
8 brown brown

(You have to accept an absence of symmetry somewhere given the mixed
'inner-outer' vs 'adjacent' pairing. The Committee(s) seem to have
preferred the 'striped-plain striped-plain striped-plain striped-plain'
consistency over the 'always put striped into the lower-numbered pin'
consistency.)

So out of the 384 electrically feasible combinations, standards bless just
two. One would've been a much nicer number than two; but two is what we've
got. To maximise confusion, the international-standard flavours whose
names Dave mentions - 568A and 568B - have, as even the casual reader
will notice, a single alphabetic letter suffix to distinguish them. The
AT&T standard which is identical to one of them also has a single-letter
suffix after three digits. It's called 258A. Guess which of 568A and 568B
it's identical to? Why, 568*B* of course. Just remember: A is B, and B is A.
It's quite simple. It's like in the popular panel game 'Just A Minute',
where Humph asks the teams to sing 'One Song To The Tune Of Another'. It's
really very simple (etc. etc. etc. ;-)

Many punchdown sockets you buy will be marked with both colour conventions,
e.g. the 568A colours up one side and the 568B (that's the 258A, remember ;-)
up the other. If it's got only one marking, chances are high that it's the
increasingly dominant 568B marking. Since most sockets come with their own
little internal printed-circuit board or other way of carring the signal that
last inch or so from punchdown point to springy-fingers-where-the-plug-goes,
you can't rely on the physical layout of the 8 punchdown points to be all
that simply related to the pin numbering. Indeed, in an effort to make it
easy for you to do the VERY IMPORTANT thing of keeping those pairs TWISTED
at their 'natural' twist pitch up to AT MOST 10mm from the punchdown point,
decent sockets will nearly always put the punchdown points for the two
wires in each colour/tracer pair right next to each other, rather than
spacing out the 3-6 punchdowns in their 'obvious' way.

What matters in any home wiring you do is *internal* consistency, so that
all the fixed wiring you put in at various times is done to the same colour
code. And I'd suggest you stick to the 568B=258A variant if you have no
compelling reason to do otherwise.

HTH, Stefek

In article ,
(Dave Plowman) wrote:

The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears to be
the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's the
difference?

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*Tell me to 'stuff it' - I'm a taxidermist.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

I had a similar problem when I bought some outlets from TLC - they had the
two choices of colours, whereas the Maplin ones I'd used had only one. On
investigation, it turned out that I needed to use the T568B colour scheme
to match the maplin ones. The wiring goes to a switched router, hub and
cable modem and all are quite happy using that configuration.

Info below copied and pasted from somewhere that I'd saved it from in the
past.

Pin # T-568-A T-568-B
1 White/Green White/Orange
2 Green/White Orange/White
3 White/Orange White/Green
4 Blue/White Blue/White
5 White/Blue White/Blue
6 Orange/White Green/White
7 White/Brown White/Brown
8 Brown/White Brown/White


Roger

"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
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The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears to be
the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's the
difference?

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*Tell me to 'stuff it' - I'm a taxidermist.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Lots of threads on this in comp.dcom.cabling

C.

On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:03:31 +0100, Dave Plowman wrote:

The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears
to be the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's
the difference?

The colour of two of the pairs is swapped around.

As you say the wiring is the same. I don't know if there is any affect
from the lay of the pairs within the cable or not, in one you be using
opposite pairs the other side by side. This is assuming that all CAT5
cable pairs are laid up the same in relation to the pair colour...

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail

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In uk.d-i-y, Dave Plowman wrote:
The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears to be
the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's the difference?

So out of the 384 electrically feasible combinations, standards bless just
two. One would've been a much nicer number than two; but two is what we've
got.

A "crossover cable" wired with variety A at one end and B at the
other is used to directly connect two computers.
--
Selah

In article ,
wrote:
What matters in any home wiring you do is *internal* consistency, so
that all the fixed wiring you put in at various times is done to the
same colour code. And I'd suggest you stick to the 568B=258A variant if
you have no compelling reason to do otherwise.

Thanks for the explanation Stefek and everybody - at at least for once I
seem to have picked the right one out of two.

I must get into the habit of Googling for things now I'm not paying per
minute. ;-)

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*Two many clicks spoil the browse *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:03:31 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote:

The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears to be
the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's the difference?

The T568B configuration is what you end up with on the second RJ45 if
you wire the first in the T568A configuration in a crossover cable.

http://www.duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable5.htm

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bweebar

In uk.d-i-y, bweebar wrote:

The T568B configuration is what you end up with on the second RJ45 if
you wire the first in the T568A configuration in a crossover cable.

Yup - at least for the "important" two pairs (1-2 and 3-6). The Web has
contradictory claims on how the usually-unused pairs (4-5 and 7-8) should
be wired for a general-porpoise crossover cable - most diagrams suggest
wiring these two straight-thru, but a vocal minority suggests the other.
Makes b-all difference in normal use, since (a) only a small fraction of
deployed structured wiring makes use of these other pairs, and (b) of
those, the great majority will use a "real" device to which all nodes
link (hub/bridge) - which increasingly do autodetect of which pins are
presenting R+/R- to entirely eliminate the need for crossover cables at
all...

Stefek

On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:03:31 +0100, in uk.d-i-y Dave Plowman
strung together this:

The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears to be
the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's the difference?

ISTR it being something to do with interconnection with voice systems
and not using the same pairs.
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SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.

On 11 May 2004 22:55:51 GMT, wrote:

In uk.d-i-y, bweebar wrote:

The T568B configuration is what you end up with on the second RJ45 if
you wire the first in the T568A configuration in a crossover cable.

Yup - at least for the "important" two pairs (1-2 and 3-6). The Web has
contradictory claims on how the usually-unused pairs (4-5 and 7-8) should
be wired for a general-porpoise crossover cable - most diagrams suggest
wiring these two straight-thru, but a vocal minority suggests the other.
Makes b-all difference in normal use, since (a) only a small fraction of
deployed structured wiring makes use of these other pairs, and (b) of
those, the great majority will use a "real" device to which all nodes
link (hub/bridge) - which increasingly do autodetect of which pins are
presenting R+/R- to entirely eliminate the need for crossover cables at
all...

Aren't pairs 4-5 and 7-8 being used for power over ethernet more often
now and wouldn't crossing them cause problems? I'm sure POE will
become more popular especially with applications like IP cameras.

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bweebar

In uk.d-i-y, Lurch wrote:

The outlets I've bought mention T568B and T586A using what appears to be
the same wiring colours but in a different sequence. What's the difference?

ISTR it being something to do with interconnection with voice systems
and not using the same pairs.

No - the differences between 568A and 568B are only in the colour of wires
used, but both specify "straight-through" (when used at both ends of any
single run, natch) and keep the pairs just right for Ethernet.

There is a third wiring scheme which *is* incompatible with Ethernet over
distance, called USOC. That runs inner-to-outer across all 8 pins, so pairs
are used for 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, and 4-5. Since "normal" Ethernet uses 1-2 and
3-6, and for noise immunity over non-trivial cable lengths it really rather
does matter that these use a single twisted pair each, using USOC (which
was a voice "standard" which has almost-completely faded into history, and
is just about never seen on any new installs) knackers the reliability of
Ethernet over twisted pair... the wannabe balanced/out-of-phase
Tx+/Tx- signals which so very much wanted to be running over a single
twisted pair to-and-from pins 1-2 are now (sob, sob, feel the heartache)
split up (oh horror, horror, horror, tongue nor heart cannot conceive nor
name thee; a pair of star-crossed lovers; etc. etc. etc chiz chiz) across
(gasp) two different singles in two *different* pairs (never the twain
shall meet; die, die, die). Worst of all is that simple electrical
continuity tests as done by multimeter or "el cheapie" network testers
don't reveal split-pairs (it's the thousand-quid-and-upwards PentaScanner
and cousins which have the requisite smarts), and networking might still
"work", but be slow and unreliable because of all the retransmissions (as
higher-level network layers notice that there's Something Wrong and cause
resends). The original cable installer or "oh yes, this place is all wired
up" handwaver disappears, leaving a headscratching puzzle for whoever ends
up with network management responsibility....

Stefek