In message , Andy Hall
writes
Why on earth anybody would want to take a supermarket trolley home I
have no idea.

Brunel campus in the 70's. All the supermarkets were in Uxbridge a not
insignificant walk away. Obvious solution to many poor students g was
to transport the MacFisheries purchases home in one of their trolleys.

--
dave @ stejonda

"To materialist eyes, India is a developing country;
to spiritual eyes, the United States is a developing country."
Ram Dass

In message , Andy Hall
writes
If they are untended in a car park, I can appreciate that in some
areas, yobs might run off with them.and dump them.

That too

There are other ways though such as magnetic brakes which activate if
someone attempts to wheel the trolley out of the authorised area.

That's what they appear to have at Sainsbury at Locksbottom - didn't
stop my trolley when I tried it.

--
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On Sun, 9 May 2004 10:38:22 +0100, "dave @ stejonda"
wrote:



As the ppl in Homebase told me when I protested at their new coin-slot
policy - it isn't that much of an inconvenience to just keep a pound
coin in the car at all times?

To me it's really annoying. Last time I went to a Homebase, I found
this and asked the manager to supply me with a trolley which he duly
did using a key to unlock it. I pointed out to him that if he can't
trust me with his trolley then I don't trust him with what I might put
in it.

There was some story about trollies rolling around in the carpark and
damaging cars.... complete rubbish. They don't have enough places
to stow them after use.

I doubt if I will shop there again.... They are expensive on most
things anyway.


..andy

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On Sun, 9 May 2004 10:52:31 +0100, "dave @ stejonda"
wrote:

In message , Andy Hall
writes
Why on earth anybody would want to take a supermarket trolley home I
have no idea.

Brunel campus in the 70's. All the supermarkets were in Uxbridge a not
insignificant walk away. Obvious solution to many poor students g was
to transport the MacFisheries purchases home in one of their trolleys.

OK, so charge a £20 deposit to those wishing to do this.



..andy

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In message , Andy Hall
writes
Why does a bottle of Coke cost pounds whereas an own brand cost 15p a
litre. Quality or just the customer paying for all the advertising?

Some of both. Mostly the former.

Where is the quality in a bottle of flavored carbonated sugar water?

I think you've been caught by the same advertising that results in the
poor in developing countries buying Coca Cola rather than food because
they see it as westernised and therefore better for them.

--
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Andy Hall wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2004 10:51:11 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Built

You put
a pound in (returnable) to use a trolley. Problem? No.


Intensely irritating.

But still not as irritating as finding trolleys all over the car park
because hardly anyone puts them away. I wish my local sainsburys would
have deposit trolleys.

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"Toby" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:
Why on earth anybody would want to take a supermarket trolley home I
have no idea.

Did you never ride down a steep hill in one as a child?
(Worth a pound of anybody's money IMO)


When I was a child we used to do that, but we MADE our own transport out of
old perambulators (the younger members of this group might need to google to
see what a perambulator looks like !....), life for kids has not been the
same since the 'push chair' came along...

On Sun, 9 May 2004 10:30:10 UTC, Chris Hodges
wrote:

But still not as irritating as finding trolleys all over the car park
because hardly anyone puts them away. I wish my local sainsburys would
have deposit trolleys.

Hear hear. If it stops Victor Meldrew^H^H^H^H^H^H^^HH^H^H^H^H^H^H
Andy shopping there where we can hear the moaning, perhaps that's a
bonus! :-)

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begin a new life...dump Windows!

"Alan" wrote in message
...
snip

I shop at Tescos, Aldi, Lidl and they all sell rubbish as well as having
good quality goods at reasonable or cheap prices. Cherry pick the items
you want from each store.


Quite true, and *some* of their own brand 'Value' (...) type of ranges are
the *same* as their own brand non value range [1], if you get my drift....

[1] off the same packaging line, the difference is in the label AIUI.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
snip

There was some story about trollies rolling around in the carpark and
damaging cars.... complete rubbish. They don't have enough places
to stow them after use.


You have hit one of the nail squarely on the head there, those store car
parks that have coin released trolleys don't have the trolleys left all over
the place, those that don't use coin released trolleys do seem to have the
trolleys left were the user parked - often blocking other car parking spaces
and thus causing even more congestion on busy days.

ISTM that some people who don't like coin released trolleys also don't like
having to return trolleys back to were they should be left......

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 May 2004 10:52:31 +0100, "dave @ stejonda"
wrote:

In message , Andy Hall
writes
Why on earth anybody would want to take a supermarket trolley home I
have no idea.

Brunel campus in the 70's. All the supermarkets were in Uxbridge a not
insignificant walk away. Obvious solution to many poor students g was
to transport the MacFisheries purchases home in one of their trolleys.

OK, so charge a £20 deposit to those wishing to do this.


So *you* would prefer to hand over a £20 deposit before you could use a
trolley or perhaps you would prefer to have all the prices rise to pay the
wages of the people monitoring and surcharging those leaving the supermarket
area with a trolley and return other peoples deposits when they don't leave
with a trolley, rather than put a £1 coin into a slot - strange person....

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
snip

I avoid the own brand items because generally they are rubbish, with
the exception of Tescos Finest, and equivalents which generally are
good.


In one sentence you have shown that you know sod all about what you are
talking about, and I say that with a family history of 50 plus years in the
food industry.

"Andy Hall" wrote
| Why on earth anybody would want to take a supermarket trolley
| home I have no idea.

I borrowed one once to move house as I didn't have access to a car.

But I took it back afterwards.

Owain

"Andy Hall" wrote
| Well, OK, then make a feature of it and charge those that do
| want to take them home a returnable deposit of a tenner or
| something that is enough to encourage return.

But then the shop would have to employ a Trolley Commissionaire, and on
their profit margins it would be uneconomic.

And in some of those neighbourhoods (a) a tenner for the trolley would be
more than the customer can spend on a week's food (b) anyone pushing a
trolley that's returnable for a tenner would get mugged by someone wanting
their next fix.

Owain

"Bob Eager" wrote
| Hear hear. If it stops Victor Meldrew^H^H^H^H^H^H^^HH^H^H^H^H^H^H
| Andy shopping there where we can hear the moaning, perhaps that's a
| bonus! :-)

I don't want to get into pseudo-text-editor wars but I think ^W^W is a
generally acceptable substitute for ^H^H^H^H^H^H^^HH^H^H^H^H^H^H ?

Owain

Alan wrote in message ...
In message , StealthUK
wrote

if food is too cheap I wonder where the
hell it came from.

Have you considered why other outlets are so expensive? The major stores
make a big deal of rolling back their prices but they are at least 30
percent more expensive for comparable items than their 'down market'
competitors.

Why does a bottle of Coke cost pounds whereas an own brand cost 15p a
litre. Quality or just the customer paying for all the advertising?

I shop at Tescos, Aldi, Lidl and they all sell rubbish as well as having
good quality goods at reasonable or cheap prices. Cherry pick the items
you want from each store.

I don't buy Coke or any of that sugary crud anyhow - I know you are
paying for the name/advertising there. I was referring to products
like meat, fish, eggs, milk etc. I don't care for brand names either.

In message , StealthUK
wrote
Alan wrote in message
...
In message , StealthUK
wrote

if food is too cheap I wonder where the
hell it came from.

I was referring to products
like meat, fish, eggs, milk etc. I don't care for brand names either.

The farmers claim that they get nothing for their produce so the only
difference between the expensive prices you pay at
Tesco/Sainsbury/Waitrose/Adsa and the cheaper prices you pay at
Lidl/Aldi/Farmfoods is down to the operating costs and profit margins.
Expensive doesn't always equate to quality - it's just that the
middleman is taking a larger slice of the price you pay.

With the so called down-market supermarkets you don't free carrier bags.
You don't get 'if there is one in front of you we will open another
till' (over staffing). You don't get in-store bakeries re-heating 'home
made' ingredients that have been mass produced in a factory. You don't
get loyalty cards which must cost much more than the one or two percent
discount the expensive supermarkets give you on your spend. You can't
pay by credit card because that adds a few more percent to the price.
You don't get the choice of 100 different bottled waters as one or two
is enough. You don't get extra staff unpacking the boxes as it's cheaper
to dump the palette of goods on the sales floor and let the customer put
them in the basket. You will not get double size parking spaces reserved
for mothers with their screaming brats.

Many of the cost savings are one or two percent and when added together
you can see why these stores can be substantially cheaper.
--
Alan

On Sun, 9 May 2004 17:28:19 +0100, Alan
wrote:

The farmers claim that they get nothing for their produce so the only
difference between the expensive prices you pay at
Tesco/Sainsbury/Waitrose/Adsa and the cheaper prices you pay at
Lidl/Aldi/Farmfoods is down to the operating costs and profit margins.

Many of the cost savings are one or two percent and when added together
you can see why these stores can be substantially cheaper.

Except my experience is that Lidl/Aldi etc. are only cheaper on brand
name products and for most goods the previous set had own label
products cheaper than those brand-label ones.

Lidl/Aldi/FarmFoods are tiny compared Tesco and Asda, the extra buying
power is probably worth a lot more than a couple of %.

Jim.

"Alan" wrote in message
...
snip

With the so called down-market supermarkets you don't free carrier bags.
You don't get 'if there is one in front of you we will open another
till' (over staffing).

Not necessarily, it's staff flexibility, rather than have 'Check-out
Operators', Shelf Replenishers' Warehouse Staff' etc. they now seem to have
multi-task trained personnel - when they need more people on the check-out's
they take people away from shelf filling and when it's quite there are more
people filling the shelves IYSWIM.

You don't get in-store bakeries re-heating 'home
made' ingredients that have been mass produced in a factory.

That's a bit unfair, most (if not all) don't market the bakery as 'Home made
bread' etc. just as 'Freshly Baked'.

You don't
get loyalty cards which must cost much more than the one or two percent
discount the expensive supermarkets give you on your spend.

That is NOT the point of 'loyalty' cards, it's a cheap and highly effective
way of market research and product marketing / placement (anyone ever get
discount coupons for types of products they have never bought ?), they know
were you live and what you buy - that gives marketing people reams of
information for just a few pence rather than the pounds it would cost if
done via the old style market research methods.

You can't
pay by credit card because that adds a few more percent to the price.
You don't get the choice of 100 different bottled waters as one or two
is enough.

If there was not a demand for the other 95, or so, bottled waters the
supermarket would not have them on their shelves - shelf space is expencive
and products that don't sell simple don't get stocked in the store (even if
it is stocked by the same store 5 miles down the road in the next town).

In message , Jim Ley
wrote
On Sun, 9 May 2004 17:28:19 +0100, Alan
wrote:

Lidl/Aldi/FarmFoods are tiny compared Tesco and Asda, the extra buying
power is probably worth a lot more than a couple of %.

If that is the case why are Tesco's and Asda so expensive?

--
Alan

Jim Ley wrote:
On Sun, 9 May 2004 17:28:19 +0100, Alan
wrote:

The farmers claim that they get nothing for their produce so the only
difference between the expensive prices you pay at
Tesco/Sainsbury/Waitrose/Adsa and the cheaper prices you pay at
Lidl/Aldi/Farmfoods is down to the operating costs and profit margins.

Many of the cost savings are one or two percent and when added together
you can see why these stores can be substantially cheaper.

Except my experience is that Lidl/Aldi etc. are only cheaper on brand
name products and for most goods the previous set had own label
products cheaper than those brand-label ones.

Lidl/Aldi/FarmFoods are tiny compared Tesco and Asda, the extra buying
power is probably worth a lot more than a couple of %.

Lidl/Aldi are bigger on the continent I believe.

On Sun, 09 May 2004 10:30:10 GMT, Chris Hodges
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2004 10:51:11 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Built

You put
a pound in (returnable) to use a trolley. Problem? No.


Intensely irritating.

But still not as irritating as finding trolleys all over the car park
because hardly anyone puts them away. I wish my local sainsburys would
have deposit trolleys.

The correct solution would be for Sainsbury's to employ somebody to
collect them.



..andy

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On 9 May 2004 10:41:58 GMT, "Bob Eager" wrote:

On Sun, 9 May 2004 10:30:10 UTC, Chris Hodges
wrote:

But still not as irritating as finding trolleys all over the car park
because hardly anyone puts them away. I wish my local sainsburys would
have deposit trolleys.

Hear hear. If it stops Victor Meldrew^H^H^H^H^H^H^^HH^H^H^H^H^H^H
Andy shopping there where we can hear the moaning, perhaps that's a
bonus! :-)

What do you mean Victor Meldrew? I was his teacher..... :-)



..andy

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On Sun, 9 May 2004 11:18:11 +0100, "dave @ stejonda"
wrote:

In message , Andy Hall
writes
Why does a bottle of Coke cost pounds whereas an own brand cost 15p a
litre. Quality or just the customer paying for all the advertising?

Some of both. Mostly the former.

Where is the quality in a bottle of flavored carbonated sugar water?

I think you've been caught by the same advertising that results in the
poor in developing countries buying Coca Cola rather than food because
they see it as westernised and therefore better for them.

Not really because I seldom buy it. However, when I've compared the
"Real Thing" to supermarket own brands, with the possible exception of
Virgin's cola it does have a better taste.



..andy

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On Sun, 9 May 2004 12:55:55 +0100, "Jerry." wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
snip

I avoid the own brand items because generally they are rubbish, with
the exception of Tescos Finest, and equivalents which generally are
good.


In one sentence you have shown that you know sod all about what you are
talking about, and I say that with a family history of 50 plus years in the
food industry.

In one sentence I have said that I prefer some products to others. In
general I find that own brand products are price targetted and the
quality is not as good. I therefore don't buy them.

It is my choice what I buy and from where, and it is that which
ultimately affects whether a given retailer gets my business.



..andy

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On Sun, 9 May 2004 17:28:19 +0100, Alan
wrote:

In message , StealthUK
wrote
Alan wrote in message
.. .
In message , StealthUK
wrote

if food is too cheap I wonder where the
hell it came from.

I was referring to products
like meat, fish, eggs, milk etc. I don't care for brand names either.

The farmers claim that they get nothing for their produce so the only
difference between the expensive prices you pay at
Tesco/Sainsbury/Waitrose/Adsa and the cheaper prices you pay at
Lidl/Aldi/Farmfoods is down to the operating costs and profit margins.

It is also the quality and selection of the product and how much is
wasted with some of them.


Expensive doesn't always equate to quality - it's just that the
middleman is taking a larger slice of the price you pay.

If I can pay a little more, get a better quality product with less
waste, then that's a good deal.


With the so called down-market supermarkets you don't free carrier bags.

Which is a pain in the backside.

You don't get 'if there is one in front of you we will open another
till' (over staffing).

That's called proper customer service. I don't want to wait 20
minutes in a checkout line.

You don't get in-store bakeries re-heating 'home
made' ingredients that have been mass produced in a factory.

I make my own bakery items.

You don't
get loyalty cards which must cost much more than the one or two percent
discount the expensive supermarkets give you on your spend.

I don't use loyalty cards anyway.

You can't
pay by credit card because that adds a few more percent to the price.


I don't like carrying large amounts of cash around and I avoid writing
cheques if at all possible.

You don't get the choice of 100 different bottled waters as one or two
is enough.

That depends on whether you like different types of water. Generally
I have three or four in the cupboard because I prefer different ones
with different foods.

You don't get extra staff unpacking the boxes as it's cheaper
to dump the palette of goods on the sales floor and let the customer put
them in the basket.

That says it all. I don't like to pick over stuff on the floor.


You will not get double size parking spaces reserved
for mothers with their screaming brats.

Many of the cost savings are one or two percent and when added together
you can see why these stores can be substantially cheaper.

They are cheaper because they sacrifice quality and customer service
for price. If you want to buy on price, that's fine - it is not my
first criterion.


..andy

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On Sun, 9 May 2004 12:29:18 +0100, "Jerry." wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
snip

There was some story about trollies rolling around in the carpark and
damaging cars.... complete rubbish. They don't have enough places
to stow them after use.


You have hit one of the nail squarely on the head there, those store car
parks that have coin released trolleys don't have the trolleys left all over
the place, those that don't use coin released trolleys do seem to have the
trolleys left were the user parked - often blocking other car parking spaces
and thus causing even more congestion on busy days.

ISTM that some people who don't like coin released trolleys also don't like
having to return trolleys back to were they should be left......

Both problems can easily be solved by having parking points for the
trollies located around the carpark rather than just at the entrance
to the store. The second simple solution is to employ somebody to
collect them up. It isn't difficult to provide proper customer
service rather than ****ing people off.




..andy

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On Sun, 9 May 2004 14:30:12 +0100, "Owain"
wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote
| Well, OK, then make a feature of it and charge those that do
| want to take them home a returnable deposit of a tenner or
| something that is enough to encourage return.

But then the shop would have to employ a Trolley Commissionaire, and on
their profit margins it would be uneconomic.

It could easily be implemented at the register.



And in some of those neighbourhoods (a) a tenner for the trolley would be
more than the customer can spend on a week's food

Possibly, although if they are only spending a tenner on food, they
probably don't need a trolley to take it home.

(b) anyone pushing a
trolley that's returnable for a tenner would get mugged by someone wanting
their next fix.

That could be.



Owain



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On Sun, 9 May 2004 12:52:28 +0100, "Jerry." wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 9 May 2004 10:52:31 +0100, "dave @ stejonda"
wrote:

In message , Andy Hall
writes
Why on earth anybody would want to take a supermarket trolley home I
have no idea.

Brunel campus in the 70's. All the supermarkets were in Uxbridge a not
insignificant walk away. Obvious solution to many poor students g was
to transport the MacFisheries purchases home in one of their trolleys.

OK, so charge a £20 deposit to those wishing to do this.


So *you* would prefer to hand over a £20 deposit before you could use a
trolley or perhaps you would prefer to have all the prices rise to pay the
wages of the people monitoring and surcharging those leaving the supermarket
area with a trolley and return other peoples deposits when they don't leave
with a trolley, rather than put a £1 coin into a slot - strange person....


You didn't read what I said. I didn't say that everybody should be
charged.

- Most people don't need to use a trolley apart from around the store
and to the car. The correct thing to do is to have drop points for
the trollies at regular intervals around the car park and then to have
somebody who spends part of their time collecting up trollies and
returning them to the front of the store. THis is perfectly simple
to do and common practice. Both of my kids worked in a local
supermarket during their school holidays when they were at school, and
trollies were simply one of the rotation jobs that didn't require a
full time person.

- If there are people who would like to take a trolley home because
they don't have a car or are incapable in some way of buying a
shopping trolley, then it is perfectly reasonable for them to be
charged a substantial deposit and ideally a fee for so doing.


..andy

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On Sun, 9 May 2004 14:25:18 +0100, "Owain"
wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote
| Why on earth anybody would want to take a supermarket trolley
| home I have no idea.

I borrowed one once to move house as I didn't have access to a car.

But I took it back afterwards.

Owain


Were you a student at the time? I've seen students borrowing them
with agreement from the supermarket manager and a photocopy of their
students union card.







..andy

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In message , Andy Hall
wrote

Possibly, although if they are only spending a tenner on food, they
probably don't need a trolley to take it home.

You obviously don't live in the real world. In places such as Lidl you
can fill a trolley or two with the basic foodstuffs for £10.
--
Alan

A deposit is returned so why does an honest person have a concern?

Having used a narrow boat I have seen the effect of dumped 'free' trolleys.
They end up in canals and other places.

Why not just be responsible - help to protect the environment and keep costs
down by not subsidising the replacement of trolleys - or policing of
supermarket perimeters.

Incidentally - saw some good trolleys in Sheffield - they catch on grids at
the exits of the car park making them difficult (not impossible) to remove -
they also climb escalators.

--


Regards

John


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 May 2004 14:30:12 +0100, "Owain"
wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote
| Well, OK, then make a feature of it and charge those that do
| want to take them home a returnable deposit of a tenner or
| something that is enough to encourage return.

But then the shop would have to employ a Trolley Commissionaire, and on
their profit margins it would be uneconomic.

It could easily be implemented at the register.



And in some of those neighbourhoods (a) a tenner for the trolley would be
more than the customer can spend on a week's food

Possibly, although if they are only spending a tenner on food, they
probably don't need a trolley to take it home.

(b) anyone pushing a
trolley that's returnable for a tenner would get mugged by someone
wanting
their next fix.

That could be.



Owain



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On Sun, 09 May 2004 20:24:51 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:


With the so called down-market supermarkets you don't free carrier bags.

Which is a pain in the backside.

FWIW Andy, aren't we supposet to be doing our bit for the environment
and re-using the 'free' carriers we still get given in most places?

If I know I'm going food shopping (Sainsburys) I take some of the
stronger ones you 'lease' (if they break / wear out they give you a
free replacement) and they give you a penny off for each of your own
bags you bring / use (it's not the money but the principal here).

If I haven't planned on shopping I generally keep a few disposable
ones in the car / motorcycle / cycle / jacket pocket just_in_case?

All the best ..

T i m

p.s. We give all of our surplus carrier bags to a local cycle shop.

In message , Andy Hall
wrote

With the so called down-market supermarkets you don't free carrier bags.

Which is a pain in the backside.

Why? You can still have carrier bags if you wish - it's just they will
cost you. You still pay for the 'free' bags you get in other
supermarkets.

If the environmentalists get their way all carrier bags at supermarkets
will soon be individually priced (taxed) at some high rate to encourage
you recycle them. Perhaps this already happens in some EU countries and
that's why some stores have the same policy in their UK branches.


You don't get 'if there is one in front of you we will open another
till' (over staffing).

That's called proper customer service.

It's called bull**** and inefficiency. Most of the time you wait at the
checkout in the large supermarket is down to the time taken for the
staff to swipe the unnecessary loyalty cards and discount vouchers and
giving away tokens worth a fraction of a penny for computers for schools
etc.

Also waiting for the women in front of you that hasn't realised that she
may have to pay for the items and has packed all the goods on top of her
purse!

I don't want to wait 20
minutes in a checkout line.

At Lidl and Aldi I have never waited anywhere near this long. They seem
to employ checkout staff who are fast!

You can't
pay by credit card because that adds a few more percent to the price.


I don't like carrying large amounts of cash around and I avoid writing
cheques if at all possible.

They do accept cards but not credit cards.


You don't get the choice of 100 different bottled waters as one or two
is enough.

That depends on whether you like different types of water. Generally
I have three or four in the cupboard because I prefer different ones
with different foods.


How do you tell the quality of water and can anyone actually tell the
difference between the hundreds of brands out there?

I'm reminded of a situation around a dozen years ago where a group of
people local to me were still using water from a well because it tasted
better. It transpired that it was contaminated with the sewerage from a
broken pipe.

You don't get extra staff unpacking the boxes as it's cheaper
to dump the palette of goods on the sales floor and let the customer put
them in the basket.

That says it all. I don't like to pick over stuff on the floor.


The goods comes in the boxes or trays and wheeled in on palettes. I see
that some of the bigger supermarkets are going over to this method of
stocking.


They are cheaper because they sacrifice quality and customer service
for price.

I don't regard the customer service I get at any Lidl or Aldi any
different to that I get a Tesco or Sainsbury. I don't need the customer
service that these stores pretend to give in their TV advertising.

All stores sell a mixture of rubbish and quality goods. High prices
don't mean quality and low prices crap.

--
Alan

In message , Owain
writes
"Andy Hall" wrote
| Why on earth anybody would want to take a supermarket trolley
| home I have no idea.

I borrowed one once to move house as I didn't have access to a car.

But I took it back afterwards.

You're a hero, you are

--
geoff

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 May 2004 12:29:18 +0100, "Jerry." wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
snip

There was some story about trollies rolling around in the carpark and
damaging cars.... complete rubbish. They don't have enough places
to stow them after use.


You have hit one of the nail squarely on the head there, those store car
parks that have coin released trolleys don't have the trolleys left all
over
the place, those that don't use coin released trolleys do seem to have
the
trolleys left were the user parked - often blocking other car parking
spaces
and thus causing even more congestion on busy days.

ISTM that some people who don't like coin released trolleys also don't
like
having to return trolleys back to were they should be left......

Both problems can easily be solved by having parking points for the
trollies located around the carpark rather than just at the entrance
to the store.

Tell Tescos that, for example.....

The second simple solution is to employ somebody to
collect them up.

Tell Tescos that, for example.....

It isn't difficult to provide proper customer
service rather than ****ing people off.


It is, when there are so many lazy go for nothing customers, next they will
want someone to bring them a trolley *as* they park so they don't have to go
looking for one...

In message , Jerry.
writes

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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I avoid the own brand items because generally they are rubbish, with
the exception of Tescos Finest, and equivalents which generally are
good.


In one sentence you have shown that you know sod all about what you are
talking about, and I say that with a family history of 50 plus years in the
food industry.

A lot of it I presume is rebadged known brands.

But then, I haven't been shopping for food for years, at which point
I'll stop before I get called a mysoginist
--
geoff

On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:19:28 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Sun, 09 May 2004 20:24:51 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:


With the so called down-market supermarkets you don't free carrier bags.

Which is a pain in the backside.

FWIW Andy, aren't we supposet to be doing our bit for the environment
and re-using the 'free' carriers we still get given in most places?

Absolutely. I do, and usually take the carriers with me that have
been used before.

However, the crinkly ones seem to disintegrate very quickly,
especially in sunlight, so I am pretty sure they are not a long term
problem with degradation.


If I know I'm going food shopping (Sainsburys) I take some of the
stronger ones you 'lease' (if they break / wear out they give you a
free replacement) and they give you a penny off for each of your own
bags you bring / use (it's not the money but the principal here).

I don't mind doing that either. My objection is with the cheapskate
places that try and sell poor quality bags that neither last for
several goes nor are that disposable.


If I haven't planned on shopping I generally keep a few disposable
ones in the car / motorcycle / cycle / jacket pocket just_in_case?

All the best ..

T i m

p.s. We give all of our surplus carrier bags to a local cycle shop.

..andy

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 May 2004 12:52:28 +0100, "Jerry." wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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OK, so charge a £20 deposit to those wishing to do this.


So *you* would prefer to hand over a £20 deposit before you could use a
trolley or perhaps you would prefer to have all the prices rise to pay
the
wages of the people monitoring and surcharging those leaving the
supermarket
area with a trolley and return other peoples deposits when they don't
leave
with a trolley, rather than put a £1 coin into a slot - strange
person....


You didn't read what I said. I didn't say that everybody should be
charged.

Everybody would need to be charged, how do you know who is going to remove
the trolley (how will someone waiting by the 'trolley bay' to impose this
surcharge know who has a car and who doesn't ?


- Most people don't need to use a trolley apart from around the store
and to the car. The correct thing to do is to have drop points for
the trollies at regular intervals around the car park and then to have
somebody who spends part of their time collecting up trollies and
returning them to the front of the store. THis is perfectly simple
to do and common practice. Both of my kids worked in a local
supermarket during their school holidays when they were at school, and
trollies were simply one of the rotation jobs that didn't require a
full time person.

My local TESCO's (all three of them) and my local Sainsbury have full time
staff to do what you suggest - the system does not work due to the lazy
customers who just dump their trolleys in the next parking place to were
they parked rather than in the 'trolley dropping zones', the trolley men
spend all their time chasing all over the car parks freeing up parking
places !


- If there are people who would like to take a trolley home because
they don't have a car or are incapable in some way of buying a
shopping trolley, then it is perfectly reasonable for them to be
charged a substantial deposit and ideally a fee for so doing.


But half the problem is not the people who take trolleys but the ones who
don't leave them were they should when finished with, when those types are
faced with either loosing a pound or taking the trolley to the drop zone
they tend to do the latter....

"Andy Hall" wrote
| I borrowed one once to move house as I didn't have access to a car.
| But I took it back afterwards.
| Were you a student at the time?

No.

| I've seen students borrowing them with agreement from the
| supermarket manager and a photocopy of their students
| union card.

I just walked out with mine. (This was before magnetic wheel locks and
CCTV.) I didn't even buy anything. I did feel a little nervous as I overtook
two police officers with a portable telly and a trouser press in a borrowed
Tesco trolley but I obviously look law-abiding because they didn't stop me.

Owain