Right time for a bodgit mention... As some of you know and have been helping
im currently renovating a property (Headache after headache...) Came to the
lighting circuit which stupid me I only checked the sockets which all seemed
fine 3 core earthed, and the consumer unit was new with fairly recent
wiring. Ok now time for the bodgit mention, the guy before me was doing most
of the work on the property himself and when he rewired the lighting circuit
he seems to have used 2 core grey sheathed wiring!!! I have checked and it
is new (Something I should have done a while back.
Ok so the issue is I am due to have stainless steel faceplates and was
reading on the net that they have to be Earthed, ok far enough don't want to
kill anyone when they turn the lights on/off. What are my options,

1)Obviously one is to run a 1.0mm/1.5mm earth cable from each switch (To
each light ??) then back to the consumer box via obviously each switch under
each circuit, so ground floor and 1st floor. If I was to do this would I
need to run the earth back to the CU or not?

2)The other is to run new 3 core cable around the whole property lighting
circuit.

Ok, obviously running a new 3 core cable is best and not so bodgit but is it
ok to just run a earth cable. I competent with electrics setting up a ring
main and lighting circuit in another property, but was just wondering how I
would go about feeding the cable to each switch.
If I was to get someone in how much would we be looking, the house is a 60's
3 bed fairly small with CU under the stairs going up under the floorboards
upstairs.

Thanks for any comments/advice
Olly

Don't bodge it any more!!! If you're going to hassle of trying to run
green/yellow covered wire everywhere, then get new T&E cable and do the
whole lot a new.

Yes, you would have to take each separate part of the earth bonding back to
the consumer unit, eventually.

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:42:45 -0000, "The Question Asker"
strung together this:

What are my options,

I would run a new twin and earth in. It used to be acceptable to add
an earth wire to the system but I got told by the NICEIC that I
shouldn't do that as there isn't a great deal of mechanical protection
on a 1.5mm earth wire and it could quite easily be damaged by e.g. a
plumber shoving a length of pipe under a floor.
You've got to get the floors up anyway so it's not going to take much
more effort to do it all properly.
I am surprised that it is new, twin cable is hard to come by. Are you
sure he's not just cut all of the earths off?
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SJW
A.C.S. Ltd
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In article ,
The Question Asker wrote:
Ok now time for the bodgit mention, the guy before me was doing most of
the work on the property himself and when he rewired the lighting
circuit he seems to have used 2 core grey sheathed wiring!!! I have
checked and it is new (Something I should have done a while back.

I dunno where he got it from - none of my catalogues even list the stuff.
Nor have I ever seen it in metric. Perhaps imported?

I'd simply replace it all - running in a separate earth wire won't impress
at sale time, or if a check is ever needed.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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I am wondering if he has just cut the earth off (I am going back to check,
fingers crossed, if he has it may not be that hard to try and get the earth
out somehow). If not a few days work for me... Just told the heating guy to
leave the boards up upstairs make it a little easier.
"Lurch" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:42:45 -0000, "The Question Asker"
strung together this:

What are my options,

I would run a new twin and earth in. It used to be acceptable to add
an earth wire to the system but I got told by the NICEIC that I
shouldn't do that as there isn't a great deal of mechanical protection
on a 1.5mm earth wire and it could quite easily be damaged by e.g. a
plumber shoving a length of pipe under a floor.
You've got to get the floors up anyway so it's not going to take much
more effort to do it all properly.
I am surprised that it is new, twin cable is hard to come by. Are you
sure he's not just cut all of the earths off?
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd
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At present the list of work I'm doing is extending longer and longer! If I
were to get a pro in to do it, what kinda cost would I be looking at...
Three bed with wooden floors upstairs, Lounge, Kitchen, Hall and Stairway. I
have all faceplates and lights so all it would be is to run cable from the
CU to switches then to Light.

Alternatively if anyones in the Billericay area that fancys doing it let us
know.

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:50:20 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
strung together this:

I dunno where he got it from - none of my catalogues even list the stuff.
Nor have I ever seen it in metric. Perhaps imported?

I seem to think I've seen it in the CEF catalogue, but the price and
hassle of of obtaining it doesn't make any sense. I can't lay my hands
on the CEF cat at the mo so I can't give you an exact reference
unfortunately.
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:17:44 -0000, "The Question Asker"
strung together this:

If I
were to get a pro in to do it, what kinda cost would I be looking at...

I would say a days labour plus materials or thereabouts, probably
£3-400 ballpark.
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Question Asker wrote:
Ok now time for the bodgit mention, the guy before me was doing most of
the work on the property himself and when he rewired the lighting
circuit he seems to have used 2 core grey sheathed wiring!!! I have
checked and it is new (Something I should have done a while back.

I dunno where he got it from - none of my catalogues even list the stuff.
Nor have I ever seen it in metric. Perhaps imported?

I'd simply replace it all - running in a separate earth wire won't impress
at sale time, or if a check is ever needed.


Sale time? Is that part of the things they check when people sell houses? Do
they open a few sockets and switches etc to check?

"The Question Asker" wrote in
:

Alternatively if anyones in the Billericay area that fancys doing it
let us know.

You could ask Allied Electrical Group, (633322) 177, Western Road, (just
off London Road).

I've found them good workers and straight dealers; at least you know what
you'd be looking at.

I was pleasantly surprised by the price and speed for a new consumer unit,
plus tidiness I doubt if I could have achieved; made d-i-y ing in that case
a bit fatuous.

No, I'm not losing the faith, well, not all of it.

mike

"The Question Asker" wrote
| Ok, obviously running a new 3 core cable is best and not so
| bodgit but is it ok to just run a earth cable.

Not really. What we're talking about here is not just 'earth bonding' but
also circuit protective conductor (cpc) which *MUST* be run be run alongside
or as part of all the circuit cables and to all the accessory positions.

If you put in your earth cable you might meet the need for the bonding of
the metal faceplates to earth, but it completely ignores the requirements in
the Regs for cpc. Your circuit would remain non-compliant and, ultimately,
require rewiring.

Feeding cables down the switch drops - if conduit has been used then feed
the new in as you pull out the old. If conduit has not been used then it's a
redecorating job. You can sometimes use surface cable to switches, or
ceiling mounted pull-cord switches, as temporary measures to avoid immediate
redecoration.

You might as well take the opportunity to improve the provision of lighting
points, eg split onto upstairs/downstairs circuit, put in wall lights or 5A
sockets for table lamps switched from the door in the lounge, two-way
switching at the bedhead for bedhead and room lights in the bedrooms,
interconnecting smoke alarms, etc.

Owain

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I dunno where he got it from - none of my catalogues even list the stuff.
Nor have I ever seen it in metric. Perhaps imported?

Ditto - I haven't seen twin-and-no-earth cable since about 1966 (the
year when the 14th Edition was published).

--
Andy

In article ,
PeteZahut wrote:
I'd simply replace it all - running in a separate earth wire won't
impress at sale time, or if a check is ever needed.


Sale time? Is that part of the things they check when people sell
houses? Do they open a few sockets and switches etc to check?

Plenty will have the wiring checked, yes. And I'd certainly test the earth
on a lighting circuit if I was doing the checking. Many people will have
sockets re-wired (to install more etc) - and even change the CU, but leave
the lighting wiring as it's usually the most difficult to replace.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
PeteZahut wrote:
I'd simply replace it all - running in a separate earth wire won't
impress at sale time, or if a check is ever needed.


Sale time? Is that part of the things they check when people sell
houses? Do they open a few sockets and switches etc to check?

Plenty will have the wiring checked, yes. And I'd certainly test the earth
on a lighting circuit if I was doing the checking. Many people will have
sockets re-wired (to install more etc) - and even change the CU, but leave
the lighting wiring as it's usually the most difficult to replace.

Ooh thats interesting. So when these tests are made, how are they done?
Would Mr Spark come along, open say one light switch and just look at the
wires, check there is a red/black(sleeved red) and an earth all coming out
the same cable or would he do something else?
Sockets? Is that the same? Look inside one and see if theres two cables?
Surely he wouldnt open the consumer unit, disconnect some wires and do a
proper final test would he?
Im almost certain that when we bought our house (few years ago) they didnt
physically check the wires. Just looked at them.
The people we bought off had had the house rewired but no longer had the
electricians name.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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