"Peter Ramm" wrote in message
...
B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

I'm just waiting for them to offer 10ft lengths of Cat5.....

In article ,
Peter Ramm writes:
B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

I noticed they'd gone from the B&Q Warehouse in Luton a few
weeks ago, but that could have been because it's closing down
(the warehouse is collapsing and needs to be demolished and
rebuilt).

--
Andrew Gabriel

Peter Ramm wrote:

B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Buy a whole reel and then cut what you need to length from that... given
the markup they normally charge on "per meter" lengths you won't find it
any more expensive!

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Peter Ramm wrote:

B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Who doesn't understate the length they have cut at the checkout?
Or am I the sole cause of B&Q's new policy?

--
Eiron.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:24:26 +0000, Eiron wrote:

Peter Ramm wrote:

B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Who doesn't understate the length they have cut at the checkout?
Or am I the sole cause of B&Q's new policy?


Oh, so it was you.........



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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:24:26 +0000, Eiron wrote:

Peter Ramm wrote:

B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Who doesn't understate the length they have cut at the checkout?
Or am I the sole cause of B&Q's new policy?


Oh, so it was you.........


Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....

"Peter Ramm" wrote in message
...
B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)
--


I had heard they were being forced to stop selling many electrical items
at the end of the year (due to "PART P" regs), and that the staff have
already been told not to offer any electrical advise to customers.
Has anybody heard about, or experienced this?

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:48:48 GMT, "John Woodison"
wrote:


"Peter Ramm" wrote in message
.. .
B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)
--


I had heard they were being forced to stop selling many electrical items
at the end of the year (due to "PART P" regs), and that the staff have
already been told not to offer any electrical advise to customers.
Has anybody heard about, or experienced this?


The first point is quite unlikely from the "forced" perspective.
The legislation does not control what is sold and to whom.

DIYers will still be able to add sockets, light fittings etc. to
existing circuits so there will still be a market for all of these
items.

It may be for commercial reasons that they decide to stop selling
consumer units and that type of thing, simply because the demand could
drop. However, I think that that is relatively unlikely because Joe
Public probably doesn't know about the new rules. There's no
requirement on the retailer to tell him either.

It may be that they stop giving electrical advice - they have with gas
for some time. Frankly, I think that that's a good thing because more
than once I've had to tell one of their "experts" to sling his hook
when he's come over and asked me what I want to do with something I
just picked from the shelf.

Hopefully though, the DIY stores will do a bit of a crusade on this.
Anything that points out to people that the government is meddling
unnecessarily in their lives is a good thing.



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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...



The first point is quite unlikely from the "forced" perspective.
The legislation does not control what is sold and to whom.

Maybe forced should read "pressured"


DIYers will still be able to add sockets, light fittings etc. to
existing circuits so there will still be a market for all of these
items.

Yes, I suppose that is their best selling stuff anyway.

It may be for commercial reasons that they decide to stop selling
consumer units and that type of thing, simply because the demand could
drop. However, I think that that is relatively unlikely because Joe
Public probably doesn't know about the new rules. There's no
requirement on the retailer to tell him either.

Makes sense. I thought it unlikely, as I can still buy gas fittings.

It may be that they stop giving electrical advice - they have with gas
for some time. Frankly, I think that that's a good thing because more
than once I've had to tell one of their "experts" to sling his hook
when he's come over and asked me what I want to do with something I
just picked from the shelf.

I know what you mean,

Hopefully though, the DIY stores will do a bit of a crusade on this.
Anything that points out to people that the government is meddling
unnecessarily in their lives is a good thing.


Agreed,

Eiron wrote:
Peter Ramm wrote:

B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Who doesn't understate the length they have cut at the checkout?
Or am I the sole cause of B&Q's new policy?

Is that not theft, i.e. I've got 10 metres but will only admit to 8? Would
you do the same with tins of paint, or are they too easy for the checkout
assistant to count and you would be found out and arresred?

John

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:24:26 +0000, Eiron wrote:

Peter Ramm wrote:

B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Who doesn't understate the length they have cut at the checkout?
Or am I the sole cause of B&Q's new policy?


Oh, so it was you.........


Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....



To run the country? ..............."rule".........get it? :-))


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"Peter Ramm" wrote in message
...
B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)


To be honest, though, It's a sign of desparation if you're buying cable from
B&Q. As another poster pointed out - it's often cheaper to buy a 50M or 100M
drum than buy any significant length from the usual sheds.

(mind you, at 15:35 on the Sunday of a Bank-Holiday weekend... come on,
we've all been there)

Regards

Peter Ramm wrote:

B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Gone from Loughborough a few weeks ago. You can't even find the
less popular stuff (e.g. 6 mm2 earth, 10 mm2 earth) any more.

Chris
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:05:50 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

Hopefully though, the DIY stores will do a bit of a crusade on this.
Anything that points out to people that the government is meddling
unnecessarily in their lives is a good thing.

Unfortunately, unless the language used includes a number of "bah"
words I'm afraid the general public won't understand there's a
problem.

I mean, part P is about saving all those lives which are lost each
year due to electrical fatalities.

Whereas most electrical fatalities are caused by an appliance fault,
which of course isn't covered by part P.

According to statistical evidence available from RoSPA there are
somewhere in the region of 8 lives a year lost which are attributable
to electrical installation work. I very much doubt part P will save
even one of those lives, because the stetson and spurs brigade will
still do their thing to put themselves and their families at risk.

Indeed, it may actually increase the lives lost each year. After Joe
Public has had a sharp intake of breath after being told what the cost
of doing an electrical job will be they will either do the job
themselves, or find a cowboy who won't respect the wiring regulations.

Part P isn't about saving lives at all. It's designed to put small
one-man businesses out of operation so that the big boys can mop up. A
big business only has to have one of its people registered for part P,
whereas in a one-manner all employees (the only employee!) has to be
registered. So the little guy has exactly the same cost for compliance
as megacorp.

Andrew

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"John Woodison" wrote in message
...

"Peter Ramm" wrote in message
...
B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.



....that the staff have
already been told not to offer any electrical advise to customers.

So - no change there then...

David

"Mike Dodd" wrote in
:


To be honest, though, It's a sign of desparation if you're buying
cable from B&Q. As another poster pointed out - it's often cheaper to
buy a 50M or 100M drum than buy any significant length from the usual
sheds.

You bet, I've got reels of cable in the shed because it actually cost less
to buy a 50m reel than about 10m length - you can always sell the other 40m
outside the shed; come away with your 10 and a tidy sum..

mike

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
...

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:24:26 +0000, Eiron wrote:

Peter Ramm wrote:

B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Who doesn't understate the length they have cut at the checkout?
Or am I the sole cause of B&Q's new policy?


Oh, so it was you.........


Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....

Oldest joke in t'trade;- 'I have a twelve-inch but
I don't use it as a _rule_.

Rule / Ruler
Gauge / In-charge

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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:48:48 GMT, "John Woodison" wrote:


"Peter Ramm" wrote in message
.. .
B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)
--


I had heard they were being forced to stop selling many electrical items
at the end of the year (due to "PART P" regs), and that the staff have
already been told not to offer any electrical advise to customers.
Has anybody heard about, or experienced this?


Part P says nothing about who can buy things. Most DIYers will ignore Part P, and DIY stores are
hardly going to sacrifice profits because of it.

"Andrew McKay" wrote
| According to statistical evidence available from RoSPA there
| are somewhere in the region of 8 lives a year lost which are
| attributable to electrical installation work.

IIRC from the Regulatory Impact Assessment it was *0.8* deaths per year.

Owain

In message , Peter Ramm
writes
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:57:06 -0000, "Mike Dodd"
wrote:


"Peter Ramm" wrote in message
. ..
B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)


To be honest, though, It's a sign of desparation if you're buying cable from
B&Q. As another poster pointed out - it's often cheaper to buy a 50M or 100M
drum than buy any significant length from the usual sheds.

(mind you, at 15:35 on the Sunday of a Bank-Holiday weekend... come on,
we've all been there)

Regards

I wanted about a yard of 16mm sq earth (I doubt if I'll be using any
more in the foreseeable future) - living about quarter of a mile away
from B&Q just seemed like a sensible place to go !!


If you are shopping (or were it seems) in B&Q Warehouse then the reels
of cable are competitively priced compared to Electrical Wholesalers
--
Chris French, Leeds

In article ,
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
I noticed they'd gone from the B&Q Warehouse in Luton a few
weeks ago, but that could have been because it's closing down
(the warehouse is collapsing and needs to be demolished and
rebuilt).

Built out of their timber, then?

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message , Peter Ramm
writes
B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Buy a reel and use the rest as a clothes line

Who in their right mind buys such stuff from B & Q

?

?


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writes

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:24:26 +0000, Eiron wrote:

Peter Ramm wrote:

B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Who doesn't understate the length they have cut at the checkout?
Or am I the sole cause of B&Q's new policy?


Oh, so it was you.........


Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....

.... They'd be strutting around in a most peculiar manner

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writes

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
...

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:24:26 +0000, Eiron wrote:

Peter Ramm wrote:

B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)

Who doesn't understate the length they have cut at the checkout?
Or am I the sole cause of B&Q's new policy?


Oh, so it was you.........


Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....



To run the country? ..............."rule".........get it? :-))

Can we get back to you on that one

Don't quit the day job

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In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
I noticed they'd gone from the B&Q Warehouse in Luton a few
weeks ago, but that could have been because it's closing down

I don't know if B&Q are publicising it yet but they are opening a new
store at St Neots Cambs. shortly. A bit of a way from Luton but nearer
for me as I'm in Bedford so it should be handy.
--
Bill

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:18:01 +0000 (UTC), mike ring
wrote:

"Mike Dodd" wrote in
:


To be honest, though, It's a sign of desparation if you're buying
cable from B&Q. As another poster pointed out - it's often cheaper to
buy a 50M or 100M drum than buy any significant length from the usual
sheds.

You bet, I've got reels of cable in the shed because it actually cost less
to buy a 50m reel than about 10m length - you can always sell the other 40m
outside the shed; come away with your 10 and a tidy sum..

I gave away two reels, each of which had a good 40 per cent of cable
still on. The neighbour was effusive with pleasure!

MM

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:27:25 +0000, Peter Ramm
wrote:

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:57:06 -0000, "Mike Dodd"
wrote:


"Peter Ramm" wrote in message
. ..
B&Q Stockport today - all been removed - told they are no longer
offering cut to your own length cables.

(You'll have to buy the pre-cut and waste what you don't need)


To be honest, though, It's a sign of desparation if you're buying cable from
B&Q. As another poster pointed out - it's often cheaper to buy a 50M or 100M
drum than buy any significant length from the usual sheds.

(mind you, at 15:35 on the Sunday of a Bank-Holiday weekend... come on,
we've all been there)

Regards

I wanted about a yard of 16mm sq earth (I doubt if I'll be using any
more in the foreseeable future) - living about quarter of a mile away
from B&Q just seemed like a sensible place to go !!

So what happens when B&Q stop selling the reels as well? There *are*
other outlets apart from B&Q! I tend not to go to B&Q if I can help it
as the staff are so thick. Homebase might be a tad more expensive, but
at least you still feel human when you come out. Focus and Wickes are
good, too.

MM

In article ,
MM wrote:
So what happens when B&Q stop selling the reels as well? There *are*
other outlets apart from B&Q! I tend not to go to B&Q if I can help it
as the staff are so thick. Homebase might be a tad more expensive, but
at least you still feel human when you come out. Focus and Wickes are
good, too.

Well, the only 'staff' I come into contact with at a shed are the checkout
ones. Or occasionally asking where something is. And I'd not say I've
found any major difference. Except that Wicks seem to have the largest
queues - Homebase the smallest ones.

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In article , :::Jerry::::
wrote:

Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....

A Ruler is someone like the queen. How would that help?

A useful tool at the checkout would be a rule.

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"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
. ..
In article , :::Jerry::::
wrote:

Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....

A Ruler is someone like the queen. How would that help?

A useful tool at the checkout would be a rule.


And for your next 'Starter for Ten', who was the ruddy idiot who designed
the QWERTY key-board ?!..

:::Jerry:::: wrote:

And for your next 'Starter for Ten', who was the ruddy idiot who designed
the QWERTY key-board ?!..

Christopher Sholes.

Next.
--
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In article ,
Bill writes:
In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
I noticed they'd gone from the B&Q Warehouse in Luton a few
weeks ago, but that could have been because it's closing down

I don't know if B&Q are publicising it yet but they are opening a new
store at St Neots Cambs. shortly. A bit of a way from Luton but nearer
for me as I'm in Bedford so it should be handy.

There's a second smaller B&Q in Luton anyway -- it was there
before the B&Q Warehouse (which moved there from Dunstable).
They applied for planning permission to move it back to Dunstable
using the old Renault plant near Woodside Estate for a couple of
years whilst the Luton warehouse is being rebuilt, but I don't
know what happened about that. There was a big concern about
the traffic it would cause through the middle of Dunstable.

--
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In article ,
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....

A Ruler is someone like the queen. How would that help?

A useful tool at the checkout would be a rule.


And for your next 'Starter for Ten', who was the ruddy idiot who designed
the QWERTY key-board ?!..

Hmm. This might help.

Collins GEM English Dictionary

Ruler n. person who governs; measuring device with a straight edge.

Rule n. statement of what is allowed, for example in a game or procedure;
what is usual; government, authority, or control; measuring device with a
straight edge. ˜v. govern; restrain; give a formal decision; be
pre-eminent; mark with straight line(s). ˜as a rule usually.

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In article , :::Jerry::::
wrote:

And for your next 'Starter for Ten', who was the ruddy idiot who designed
the QWERTY key-board ?!..

It was designed in the 1800s after problems with jamming typewriter baskets
were experienced. The company at the time, Sholes and Co, headed by
Christopher Sholes, tried the querty arrangement to avoid this. In 1873, it
became a "standard" and was adopted by the Remington Gun Company in New York
State.

Any good my little red friend?

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In article , ":::Jerry::::"
says...

"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
. ..
In article , :::Jerry::::
wrote:

Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....

A Ruler is someone like the queen. How would that help?

A useful tool at the checkout would be a rule.


And for your next 'Starter for Ten', who was the ruddy idiot who designed
the QWERTY key-board ?!..

He was no idiot - the QWERTY layout fulfilled a useful purpose at the
time it was developed. By the time it was no longer needed it continued
to be used because people were accustomed to it.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
MM wrote:
So what happens when B&Q stop selling the reels as well? There *are*
other outlets apart from B&Q! I tend not to go to B&Q if I can help it
as the staff are so thick. Homebase might be a tad more expensive, but
at least you still feel human when you come out. Focus and Wickes are
good, too.




Well, the only 'staff' I come into contact with at a shed are the checkout
ones. Or occasionally asking where something is.


They ought to know where stuff is by now without asking the customer ;-)

Adam

In article ,
ARWadsworth wrote:
Well, the only 'staff' I come into contact with at a shed are the checkout
ones. Or occasionally asking where something is.


They ought to know where stuff is by now without asking the customer ;-)

Heh heh. Was looking for a cheap 4.5" angle grinder in B&Q Wimbledon once.
The only one on display was a decent brand one at a fairly high price.
Asked a sales droid about PP ones to be told if they weren't in the main
display, they weren't in stock. A passing customer coughed and pointed at
a pile of them on special offer at the end of an aisle some way off.

B&Q are good at having displays of things miles away from where you'd
reasonably expect them to be. Wonder if they're owned by Ikea? ;-)

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In message , ":::Jerry::::"
writes

"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
...
In article , :::Jerry::::
wrote:

Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....

A Ruler is someone like the queen. How would that help?

A useful tool at the checkout would be a rule.


And for your next 'Starter for Ten', who was the ruddy idiot who designed
the QWERTY key-board ?!..

He wasn't an idiot.

It was a very practical solution to a very serious problem. When
typewriters were first made, there was a real problem with people typing
too fast and the striking key getting caught up with the returning key.
The QWERTY layout was a solution to slow down typing and thus stop
typewriters getting stuck.

Of course, now that technology has moved on, it's a PITA, but it was a
good idea at the time


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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:55:55 GMT, raden wrote:

In message , ":::Jerry::::"
writes

"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
k...
In article , :::Jerry::::
wrote:

Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....

A Ruler is someone like the queen. How would that help?

A useful tool at the checkout would be a rule.


And for your next 'Starter for Ten', who was the ruddy idiot who designed
the QWERTY key-board ?!..

He wasn't an idiot.

It was a very practical solution to a very serious problem. When
typewriters were first made, there was a real problem with people typing
too fast and the striking key getting caught up with the returning key.
The QWERTY layout was a solution to slow down typing and thus stop
typewriters getting stuck.

Of course, now that technology has moved on, it's a PITA, but it was a
good idea at the time


Plus you can get the word "typewriter" out of the top row, so it was
also said to be done for sales demonstration.



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"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , ":::Jerry::::"
writes

"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
...
In article , :::Jerry::::
wrote:

Now if B&Q employed people who knew what a ruler is for.....

A Ruler is someone like the queen. How would that help?

A useful tool at the checkout would be a rule.


And for your next 'Starter for Ten', who was the ruddy idiot who designed
the QWERTY key-board ?!..

He wasn't an idiot.

It was a very practical solution to a very serious problem. When
typewriters were first made, there was a real problem with people typing
too fast and the striking key getting caught up with the returning key.
The QWERTY layout was a solution to slow down typing and thus stop
typewriters getting stuck.

Of course, now that technology has moved on, it's a PITA, but it was a
good idea at the time


For gawd sake ! Can't you lot see a rhetorical question when you see it ?...