Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Pete

"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Pete

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed gearbox, 3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk

"IMM" wrote in message
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"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Pete

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed gearbox,
3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk


But fails the less than £80 test though.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/home.jsp

Home page a DeWalt cordless £74 down from £104.

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But fails the less than £80 test though.

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/home.jsp

Home page a DeWalt cordless £74 down from £104.

Thanks for that. I actually got one of these delivered but
sent it back. Gearbox problem!

Can't really trust them now even though I know it was
probably 1 in 100 !

I know I said less than £80 but I would be willing to pay
a little more if persuaded

Pete

Malc wrote:

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/home.jsp

Home page a DeWalt cordless £74 down from £104.


But you can't phone them up and order it!! Are they trying to force all
their customers onto Internet ordering? Is the telephone workforce still
employed in Yeovil, or has it been transferred to India? I am totally
fed up with the present state of non delivery from MFI, B & Q, Screwfix
and others who cannot deliver a standard product for the best part of
two or three months. Is it only me that is finding that nil stock is the
current status for many High Street stores also.

Regards
Capitol

"IMM" wrote in message
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"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Pete

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed gearbox,
3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk



Cheers - Are ryobi a good make?

Pete

"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Pete

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed
gearbox,
3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V
nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk

Cheers - Are ryobi a good make?

Yes. Japanese company. Or you could spend silly money on a Makita.

In article ,
PeterCB no.mail@please wrote:
New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed
gearbox, 3 batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT
on offer. V nice drill.

Cheers - Are ryobi a good make?

Don't think it's safe to give a blanket recommendation on the basis of
make these days unless talking about the very top end.

I've got a Ryobi mini drill which has been great - the batteries have
lasted a long time which is a good indication of quality, but others
report different models not lasting well.

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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:59:13 GMT, "PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote:


"IMM" wrote in message
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"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Pete

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed gearbox,
3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk



Cheers - Are ryobi a good make?

This is questionable. There are a number of different companies
using the Ryobi name - e.g. Home Depot in the U.S. for their in-house
range, which is absolute junk.

I would check very carefully what it is that is being sold here with
the Ryobi label and especially spares availability and service. It
may be reasonable to sling away £20 drills when they break, but at £80
this is not attractive.

There are some very good deals around now on proper Makita 14.4v
drills, which for little more money are a far superior product.

I've got a 14.4v one which I've had for a couple of years and gets
heavy use. The motor control is superb, maintaining excellent torque
at low revs. The decent battery charger and batteries have meant
that I have been able to whole days of almost continuous work with two
batteries.

I looked at 18v drills recently and the 14.4v Makita seems to perform
as well as many of the entry level 18v products. I Ibought the
18v Makita in the U.S. which proved to be quite a bit cheaper than the
UK.






Pete


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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:59:13 GMT, "PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote:


"IMM" wrote in message
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"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
...
Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Pete

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed
gearbox,
3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V
nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk

Cheers - Are ryobi a good make?

This is questionable. There are a number of different companies
using the Ryobi name - e.g. Home Depot in the U.S. for their in-house
range, which is absolute junk.

Any proof of this or are you making this up?

I would check very carefully what it is that is being sold here with
the Ryobi label and especially spares availability and service. It
may be reasonable to sling away £20 drills when they break, but at £80
this is not attractive.

....and Andy now attempts, as usual, to get people to part with their hard
earned cash by buying over priced tools.... here he goes...

There are some very good deals around now on proper Makita 14.4v

......see!

IMM wrote:

...and Andy now attempts, as usual, to get people to part with their hard
earned cash by buying over priced tools.... here he goes...

In fact the OP can have a Makita for the the *same* money as your
beloved Ryobi:

http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...0Drivers%2012V


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In article ,
IMM wrote:
I would check very carefully what it is that is being sold here with
the Ryobi label and especially spares availability and service. It
may be reasonable to sling away £20 drills when they break, but at £80
this is not attractive.

...and Andy now attempts, as usual, to get people to part with their hard
earned cash by buying over priced tools.... here he goes...

I'd say advice from one who actually knows tools and what they should be
used for is more valuable than guesses based on advertising...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:13:18 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message


This is questionable. There are a number of different companies
using the Ryobi name - e.g. Home Depot in the U.S. for their in-house
range, which is absolute junk.

Any proof of this or are you making this up?

Definitely. I have seen these products, touched them and talked to
people with them as well as reading the reviews.


I would check very carefully what it is that is being sold here with
the Ryobi label and especially spares availability and service. It
may be reasonable to sling away £20 drills when they break, but at £80
this is not attractive.

...and Andy now attempts, as usual, to get people to part with their hard
earned cash by buying over priced tools.... here he goes...

There are some very good deals around now on proper Makita 14.4v

.....see!



I don't really mind what people buy - it makes no difference to me.
However, it's rather pointless spending £80 on something of
questionnable origin and servicability when one can get a proper
product for the same or little more.


..andy

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"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
...
Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Pete

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed gearbox,
3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V
nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk



Cheers - Are ryobi a good make?

Pete


This lot in london are worth a look at. Decent size shopand have been god to
me in the past.

www.itslondon.co.uk

steve

"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message news:BqVdd.772$Li3.327@newsfe1-


Cheers - Are ryobi a good make?

Pete

I posed the same question some time back. I ended up buying a
Panasonic and a Ryobi 18V (STP 1801).
The Panasonic wins but is far more expensive.

I've used the Ryobi more than any other tool and barely touched a
mains drill. It's got a Rohm chuck that has worked flawlessly and the
battery life is superb. Trigger control of speed for screwdriving etc.
is not perfect but you get used to it (and it is a combi!) Overall
it's a solid piece of kit.
I know hammer action is not a major concern for you but if I did have
to buy another tool I'd seriously consider Ryobi stuff.

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Cheers - Are ryobi a good make?

Pete

I posed the same question some time back. I ended up buying a
Panasonic and a Ryobi 18V (STP 1801).
The Panasonic wins but is far more expensive.

I've used the Ryobi more than any other tool and barely touched a
mains drill. It's got a Rohm chuck that has worked flawlessly and the
battery life is superb. Trigger control of speed for screwdriving etc.
is not perfect but you get used to it (and it is a combi!) Overall
it's a solid piece of kit.
I know hammer action is not a major concern for you but if I did have
to buy another tool I'd seriously consider Ryobi stuff.

I haven't read anything yet that would make me
discount the ryobi stuff yet. You've painted a good picture.
I do have a hitatchi sds hammer drill at the moment but
is a bit heavy for light-weight drilling. (shoulder's hurting)

I'd mostly use any new drill I buy on the percussion setting,
although would occasionally use the hammer but for anything
meaty, i'd revert to the hitatchi.

I'd be using it daily for tasks like drilling metal boxes and mounting
panels / control boxes on to block work.

Thanks everyone for your replies - keep it coming

IMM wrote:

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed gearbox, 3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk


Ryobi stuff ain't too bad in general, but I have to say I really don't
like their drills. A friend of mine has the 18V combi, and I've spent a
fair few hours using it. Battery life is very poor for the price range,
and the torque is miserable.


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Grunff

"Grunff" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed gearbox,
3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V
nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk


Ryobi stuff ain't too bad in general, but I have to say I really don't
like their drills. A friend of mine has the 18V combi, and I've spent a
fair few hours using it. Battery life is very poor for the price range,
and the torque is miserable.

Thanks for the review! Doesn't sound that impressive.

Pete

"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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"Grunff" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed
gearbox,
3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V
nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk


Ryobi stuff ain't too bad in general, but I have to say I really don't
like their drills. A friend of mine has the 18V combi, and I've spent a
fair few hours using it. Battery life is very poor for the price range,
and the torque is miserable.

Thanks for the review! Doesn't sound that impressive.

A different drill to the new model.

IMM wrote:

A different drill to the new model.

Yes, this is true. But what leads you to believe they have achieved a
quantum leap in performance while keeping within the same price range?

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"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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"Grunff" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:

New just out. In that price range. Ryobi CMD-1442 with 2 speed
gearbox,
3
batteries, one hour charger and aluminium case. £85 +VAT on offer. V
nice
drill. www.protrade.co.uk


Ryobi stuff ain't too bad in general, but I have to say I really don't
like their drills. A friend of mine has the 18V combi, and I've spent
a
fair few hours using it. Battery life is very poor for the price
range,
and the torque is miserable.

Thanks for the review! Doesn't sound that impressive.

A different drill to the new model.

Wickes have a drill in this price range. A grey rebadged Kress or Germany.

"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Assuming its your first drill or you might not be asking, if you pick one
you like the balance of with a 2 to 3 year replacement policy you probably
won't go wrong if its DIY you are doing. My first drill was a B&D 8.4V
(RIP). OK I've got a cheap 18V Parkside now which is fine. Even has an
automatic locking chuck normally found only on more expensive brands. OK
its batteries are not brilliant but with 2 and fast charge I always have
power. Its high speed is a fast as a Metabo. I'd really hate it if I still
had an expensive 8.4V Makita or Metabo just because it was still possible to
get spares and service. Who wants to service a 3 year or older drill when
the service costs would exceed the residual value.

Jim A

Jim Alexander wrote:

Assuming its your first drill or you might not be asking, if you pick one
you like the balance of with a 2 to 3 year replacement policy you probably
won't go wrong if its DIY you are doing. My first drill was a B&D 8.4V
(RIP). OK I've got a cheap 18V Parkside now which is fine. Even has an
automatic locking chuck normally found only on more expensive brands. OK
its batteries are not brilliant but with 2 and fast charge I always have
power. Its high speed is a fast as a Metabo. I'd really hate it if I still
had an expensive 8.4V Makita or Metabo just because it was still possible to
get spares and service. Who wants to service a 3 year or older drill when
the service costs would exceed the residual value.


But isn't this exactly the same argument that someone might use to
explain why the chose buy a brand new Ford Fiesta rather than a 3-4 year
old top of the range BMW 5 series? Because the new one is *bound* to be
better?


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But isn't this exactly the same argument that someone might use to explain
why the chose buy a brand new Ford Fiesta rather than a 3-4 year old top
of the range BMW 5 series? Because the new one is *bound* to be better?

No, that's not the argument I presented at all. Using your analogy I have
compared an older less well equipped small car with a newer larger and
faster car with a 3 year warranty. Don't deny there is a concept of
quality but I suggest that on sales figures more people go for a small range
of popular cars (and change after 2-3 years) than buy BMWs. Sadly I don't
have money to burn.

Jim A

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"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Assuming its your first drill or you might not be asking, if you pick one
you like the balance of with a 2 to 3 year replacement policy you probably
won't go wrong if its DIY you are doing. My first drill was a B&D 8.4V
(RIP). OK I've got a cheap 18V Parkside now which is fine. Even has an
automatic locking chuck normally found only on more expensive brands. OK
its batteries are not brilliant but with 2 and fast charge I always have
power. Its high speed is a fast as a Metabo. I'd really hate it if I
still had an expensive 8.4V Makita or Metabo just because it was still
possible to get spares and service. Who wants to service a 3 year or
older drill when the service costs would exceed the residual value.

Jim A

Thanks Jim - It's not my first drill - I've been coping with a ferm drill
for a while - It worked well at first but has only lasted a year.
It's ready for binning now. I want one for daily use for light to medium
weight drilling (very occasional hammer - when I can't be bothered to
get my sds hammer drill out!)

If I was to opt for the ryobi drill at twice the price of my old drill,
I'd expect it to last at least twice as long.

Thanks for your reply.

Pete

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:01:55 GMT, "PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote:



Thanks Jim - It's not my first drill - I've been coping with a ferm drill
for a while - It worked well at first but has only lasted a year.
It's ready for binning now. I want one for daily use for light to medium
weight drilling (very occasional hammer - when I can't be bothered to
get my sds hammer drill out!)

If I was to opt for the ryobi drill at twice the price of my old drill,
I'd expect it to last at least twice as long.


You might expect it, and that is the rub.

If you buy a proper branded product at a decent price from a
manufacturer with spares and service backup you can expect and get a
good quality product with the ability to get it fixed if and when it
fails. Also, in the context of consumer legislation, if you have
bought a good quality product then you can reasonably and effectively
squeeze the retailer to replace it in case of early failure.

The low end and OEM manufacturers operate to a different principle
because their products are sold through volume distribution outlets
such as B&Q. The retailers do not want to implement any form of
customer service, spares or repair but only to shift boxes - it
doesn't fit their business model and would cost them money.
They also know that because the products are low end, a significant
proportion of would-be customers won't buy them because they are
unknown, there is little or no backup and that a customer would likely
not do well if trying to invoke consumer legislation.
To get around this, they offer a three year warranty, serviced by
exchange and push the returns back to the supplier. The implication
is that after the warranty has expired, there is no further backup, so
in effect, the tool should be considered as written off and living on
borrowed time after that.

Interestingly, the branded manufacturers are now also starting to
offer three year warranties, partly to compete with this but also on
the basis of continued spares availabilitiy, service and quality.
The higher reliability means that they can do this at little cost and
also have an opportunity to gain visibility into the customer base
through returned warranty registration cards. In effect this is
removing any perceived advantage offered by the low end suppliers with
the advantages of better products and better service.

It really becomes a question of which factors are most important to
you

They can be

- quality and performance of the product
- ease and comfort of use
- total cost of ownership over the anticipated product lifetime
- initial purchase price
- availability of spares and service (usually inherent from first
three)

Personally, I set my criteria in the order above.
I can understand if people want to set initial purchase price as their
most important purchase criterion, but it is naive to do so without at
least considering most or all of the others.



..andy

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"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message ...
Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Pete

I'm in the same boat - 4.8V electric screwdriver just gives up when
pushing bigger screws.

Anyone know if Worx tools (Homebase and Argos) are any good? I've
seen a 14.4V drill/driver with 2 x 1.5Ah bats and 3 yr warranty for
£45 which looks like a REALLY good deal.

"Mark Begbie" wrote in message
om...
"PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote in message
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Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Pete

I'm in the same boat - 4.8V electric screwdriver just gives up when
pushing bigger screws.

Anyone know if Worx tools (Homebase and Argos) are any good? I've
seen a 14.4V drill/driver with 2 x 1.5Ah bats and 3 yr warranty for
£45 which looks like a REALLY good deal.

Probably is, but only if they are 1 hour charge time.

"IMM" wrote in message ...
"Mark Begbie" wrote in message
om...

I'm in the same boat - 4.8V electric screwdriver just gives up when
pushing bigger screws.

Anyone know if Worx tools (Homebase and Argos) are any good? I've
seen a 14.4V drill/driver with 2 x 1.5Ah bats and 3 yr warranty for
£45 which looks like a REALLY good deal.

Probably is, but only if they are 1 hour charge time.

They are 1 hour IIRC, which B&D aren't.

In article ,
Mark Begbie wrote:
Anyone know if Worx tools (Homebase and Argos) are any good? I've
seen a 14.4V drill/driver with 2 x 1.5Ah bats and 3 yr warranty for
£45 which looks like a REALLY good deal.

Probably is, but only if they are 1 hour charge time.

They are 1 hour IIRC, which B&D aren't.

Why this fetish for buying a cheap drill good enough for limited DIY use,
but insisting on a fast charger?

Like for like, the faster you charge the batteries, the less time they
will last. And more so with poor cells - which is one of the main problems
with cheap power tools.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:48:18 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Mark Begbie wrote:
Anyone know if Worx tools (Homebase and Argos) are any good? I've
seen a 14.4V drill/driver with 2 x 1.5Ah bats and 3 yr warranty for
£45 which looks like a REALLY good deal.

Probably is, but only if they are 1 hour charge time.

They are 1 hour IIRC, which B&D aren't.

Why this fetish for buying a cheap drill good enough for limited DIY use,
but insisting on a fast charger?

This is one of the OEM manufacturer's ploys - the same as having
higher voltages. I think it was Screwfix who was recently offering
a 32v drill at £32 with a slogan of £1 per volt. Of course, that is
all that it is - a slogan.

Battery quality is one of the main factors in cordless tools and one
of the main cost factors also. Hence the Panasonic 15.6v products
bening able to easily outperform other manufacturer's 18v offerings.

Considering the low end, the batteries are so poor and have such
limited capacity, that the only way to achieve any degree of
acceptability is to fast charge them. it also adds an additional
marketing ploy that they can claim a fast charger. Is the charger
designed with all of the electronics necessary to correctly charge the
batteries and preserve their lifetime? Of course not.

Fortunately for them, there are enough gullible people around to buy
these offerings along with their National Lottery tickets.


Like for like, the faster you charge the batteries, the less time they
will last. And more so with poor cells - which is one of the main problems
with cheap power tools.

..andy

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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:48:18 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Like for like, the faster you charge the batteries, the less time they
will last. And more so with poor cells - which is one of the main problems
with cheap power tools.

Do you have any reliable information to support that claim?

I'm not saying you are wrong, and indeed it's entirely possible that
you are right. But it would carry a lot more conviction if there were
supporting evidence that the jury could convict on.

Andrew

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:48:18 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Mark Begbie wrote:
Anyone know if Worx tools (Homebase and Argos) are any good? I've
seen a 14.4V drill/driver with 2 x 1.5Ah bats and 3 yr warranty for
£45 which looks like a REALLY good deal.

Probably is, but only if they are 1 hour charge time.

They are 1 hour IIRC, which B&D aren't.

Why this fetish for buying a cheap drill good enough for limited DIY use,
but insisting on a fast charger?

Hi,

If there are two or more battery packs, they can be used in rotation.

cheers,
Pete.

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:15:00 GMT, "PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote:

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Bought one in Homebase today. 18v. 2 1.7Ah batteries. 1 hr charger.
Carrying case. £79.99 - but being Homebase 10% off day it cost just a
shade over £70. It's this one:

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...ckfrom=imag e

*** DO NOT BUY THIS FROM ARGOS! ***

Instead, buy it from Homebase. They've got a special offer on at the
moment (at least, Homebase in Bracknell have), buy a Worx tool costing
more than £50 and they throw in a completely free workbench. They
reckon the workbench is worth £50 but that's possibly debatable - I
reckon £30-ish if you were to shop around (however, Homebase are
selling the workbench as a separate item for £49.99 so maybe it is a
valid price).

The workbench is similar to a traditional B&D Workmate in design, but
the top platform can be angled - could be very handy for some jobs.
The top platform can also be raised and lowered to different heights
off the ground. The workbench is pretty sturdy and took me minutes to
put together this afternoon. Even if you weren't looking for a
workbench it would make someone a really nice Xmas pressie - or you
could donate it to a charity for use as a tombola prize or something.
It's not crap IMHO.

And I used the drill this afternoon for a short time. Not a bad piece
of kit, feels fairly sturdy. I think it came with a 3 yr guarantee
(need to check that....).

Andrew

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:57:00 +0100, Andrew McKay
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:15:00 GMT, "PeterCB" no.mail@please wrote:

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Bought one in Homebase today. 18v. 2 1.7Ah batteries. 1 hr charger.
Carrying case. £79.99 - but being Homebase 10% off day it cost just a
shade over £70. It's this one:

This sounded like the one I got there for £50 at the same time but it
turns out mine is a PBX model. 2 yr warranty. Just like the last
cordless drill I bought, I'm expecting the drill to outlast the
batteries.

The earlier comments requesting proof that fast charging shortens the
life of nicads - this is common knowledge in the modelling world
(cars, planes etc) and has been for years. Likewise prolonged storage
without use leavng the battery to self-discharge below its minimum
level (1.1v per cell IIRC).

MJ

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:15:00 +0000, PeterCB wrote:

Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Well you could do much worse than the £75 DeWalt from Screwfix.
I have one it works well. It is not the same as the £200+ Makita or DeWalt
units. But it is well made comes with a 1 hour chargers, 2 batts and some
bits. The torque control is quite stiff but I expect it to loosen up over
a few years hard use, if it is not stolen prior.

You'll likely be about to drill masonry with _sharp_ masonry bits and firm
pressure. The higher torque settings are quite capable of snapping the
head of a 4mm screw.


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Ed Sirett wrote:

You'll likely be about to drill masonry with _sharp_ masonry bits and firm
pressure. The higher torque settings are quite capable of snapping the
head of a 4mm screw.

My ancient Skil 12v and my modern (cheap, green) Bosch 9.6v will both
snap 4mm TurboGold screws occasionally if I forget to turn the torque
down.

I am thinking of getting something beefier for driving 6 x 100 screws
though.

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Chris Green

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:15:00 +0000, PeterCB wrote:

Good for youI hear you say!

Don't want to spend to much £80.
What do you recommend?
Needs 2 x batteries - Hammer not important.

Any online sites that you care to mention.

Well you could do much worse than the £75 DeWalt from Screwfix.
I have one it works well. It is not the same as the £200+ Makita or DeWalt
units. But it is well made comes with a 1 hour chargers, 2 batts and some
bits. The torque control is quite stiff but I expect it to loosen up over
a few years hard use, if it is not stolen prior.

Bought a Bosch Psb 24ve2 Cordless Combi from ebay
£90 inc delivery - New.

http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp...eferrer=Kelkoo

Thanks everyone.

Pete

PeterCB no.mail@please wrote:

Bought a Bosch Psb 24ve2 Cordless Combi from ebay
£90 inc delivery - New.

http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp...eferrer=Kelkoo

How is it that the link points to www.tooled-up.com and has Kelkoo as
the referrer but you say you bought it on Ebay - I'm confused! :-)

Or was that just a pointer to the product description?

--
Chris Green

wrote in message ...
PeterCB no.mail@please wrote:

Bought a Bosch Psb 24ve2 Cordless Combi from ebay
£90 inc delivery - New.

http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp...eferrer=Kelkoo

How is it that the link points to www.tooled-up.com and has Kelkoo as
the referrer but you say you bought it on Ebay - I'm confused! :-)

Or was that just a pointer to the product description?

Just a pointer to the description.

Pete