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I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer.
Any ideas for a supplier please? Many thanks Sunbeam |
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"Sunbeam" wrote in message
... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? http://www.goodfellow.com/csp/active...pdateParam=1~~ It sounds very expensive. |
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![]() "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? Many thanks Sunbeam www.bdh.com, or if you know someone who works in a secondary school, they might be able to help. |
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"Smudger" smudger@here writes: "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? www.bdh.com, or if you know someone who works in a secondary school, they might be able to help. Back when I was at school, you could go into any chemist and order chemicals, and they could get them same day or next day with their regular drug deliveries. Actually I still have some of them left. I haven't tried doing this for ~30 years, and nowadays it would probably get you instantly arrested as a terrorist threat... -- Andrew Gabriel Consultant Software Engineer |
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:57:57 +0100, "Sunbeam" wrote:
I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=3841813073 |
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![]() "Mike Harrison" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:57:57 +0100, "Sunbeam" wrote: I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=3841813073 I nearly said eBay as a joke when I read the post originally - it really is turning into the place where you can buy anything isn't it! |
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![]() "Mike Harrison" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:57:57 +0100, "Sunbeam" wrote: I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Good grief, that's a lot to be still swilling round your kitchen floor ;-) Any ideas for a supplier please? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=3841813073 Interesting that he quotes a Royal Mail delivery price - Meadows & Passmore www.m-p.co.uk say that they have to use a carrier as Royal Mail won't accept mercury. Theirs is 18.80gbp plus VAT for 175g. Clock Spares (Specialist Supplies Ltd) of Dereham sell it, too, and I expect H S Walsh do. Then there are the two barometer repair places in Devon - google finds them. I got my last lot from the local pharmacist - once I'd convinced him I wasn't going to make tilt switches with it. -- Kevin Poole **Use current month and year to reply (e.g. )*** Car Transport by Tiltbed Trailer - based near Derby |
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"Sunbeam" wrote in message ...
I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? Many thanks Sunbeam I have about 250ml of mercury that I want to find a good home for. Assuming it isn't very valuable, you are welcome to have it if you can collect it from Watford. Please contact me on: laws (at) cambridge.oilfield.slb.com Robert |
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![]() "Robert" wrote in message om... "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? Many thanks Sunbeam I have about 250ml of mercury that I want to find a good home for. Assuming it isn't very valuable, you are welcome to have it if you can collect it from Watford. Mercury IS valuable (well it is all relative I guess). At a wild guess I say you have 100quids worth. Please contact me on: laws (at) cambridge.oilfield.slb.com Robert |
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"Autolycus" wrote
| I got my last lot from the local pharmacist - once I'd convinced | him I wasn't going to make tilt switches with it. Tilt switches for setting off car-bombs like you can easily get from Maplins? (the tilt switches that is, not the car-bombs). Owain |
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writes "Mike Harrison" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:57:57 +0100, "Sunbeam" wrote: I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Good grief, that's a lot to be still swilling round your kitchen floor ;-) Any ideas for a supplier please? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=3841813073 Interesting that he quotes a Royal Mail delivery price - Meadows & Passmore www.m-p.co.uk say that they have to use a carrier as Royal Mail won't accept mercury. Most couriers won't either, except by special £££ arrangement -- geoff |
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In message , Robert
writes "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? Many thanks Sunbeam I have about 250ml of mercury that I want to find a good home for. Assuming it isn't very valuable, you are welcome to have it if you can collect it from Watford. Oohh I'll take some of that off your hands if you're in Watford Email me your address and I'll pop round -- geoff |
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In message , Des Higgins
writes "Robert" wrote in message . com... "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? Many thanks Sunbeam I have about 250ml of mercury that I want to find a good home for. Assuming it isn't very valuable, you are welcome to have it if you can collect it from Watford. Mercury IS valuable (well it is all relative I guess). At a wild guess I say you have 100quids worth. Bloody hell -- geoff |
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I got my last lot from the local pharmacist - once I'd convinced him I wasn't going to make tilt switches with it. Did'nt he know you can buy them ready made ? Dave -- Some people use windows, others have a life. |
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![]() "Smudger" smudger@here wrote in message .. . "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? or if you know someone who works in a secondary school, they might be able to help. I think it's now a restricted substance. A whole generation won't know the fun of seeing how many times you can divide a globule of the stuff with your fingernail :-) |
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G&M wrote:
"Smudger" smudger@here wrote in message .. . "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? or if you know someone who works in a secondary school, they might be able to help. I think it's now a restricted substance. A whole generation won't know the fun of seeing how many times you can divide a globule of the stuff with your fingernail :-) You can use gallium/indium alloy as a substitute. Comparatively non-toxic, and can be rolled around in your hands. Sodium/potassium alloy is much cheaper, but has the disadvantage that it'll burst into flames when you do that. |
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![]() "Ian Stirling" wrote in message ... G&M wrote: "Smudger" smudger@here wrote in message .. . "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? or if you know someone who works in a secondary school, they might be able to help. I think it's now a restricted substance. A whole generation won't know the fun of seeing how many times you can divide a globule of the stuff with your fingernail :-) You can use gallium/indium alloy as a substitute. Comparatively non-toxic, and can be rolled around in your hands. Sodium/potassium alloy is much cheaper, but has the disadvantage that it'll burst into flames when you do that. That was a restricted (to teachers only) substance when I was young !!!!! |
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G&M wrote:
"Ian Stirling" wrote in message ... G&M wrote: "Smudger" smudger@here wrote in message .. . "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? or if you know someone who works in a secondary school, they might be able to help. I think it's now a restricted substance. A whole generation won't know the fun of seeing how many times you can divide a globule of the stuff with your fingernail :-) You can use gallium/indium alloy as a substitute. Comparatively non-toxic, and can be rolled around in your hands. Sodium/potassium alloy is much cheaper, but has the disadvantage that it'll burst into flames when you do that. That was a restricted (to teachers only) substance when I was young !!!!! Sodium/potassium, or indium? I've got both indium, gallium from ebay. |
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"G&M" writes: "Smudger" smudger@here wrote in message .. . "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? or if you know someone who works in a secondary school, they might be able to help. I think it's now a restricted substance. A whole generation won't know the fun of seeing how many times you can divide a globule of the stuff with your fingernail :-) The History of Chemistry lessons must be quite strange... First there's the period when there of lots of substances which you can play around with, but they just aren't well understood. Then you move into the period when they are understood, and so playing around can be done in the context of demonstrating their properties. Then you move into the last period where they're all banned substances and you can only read about them. I'm jolly glad I went to school in the second period. My first chemistry lesson at age 11, the teacher was off sick (hum, maybe something to that now;-). Anyway we sat at the benches and got out some homework to do from a different class instead. After a while, people got bored, and started pinging the tiny ball bearings around which were on the benches. Then we discovered that if two of them touched, they joined into a bigger ball bearing. Of course, these were tiny globules of mercury someone had spilt in an earlier class. I wonder how many of todays school kids have the slightest feeling for the real physical behaviour of mercury, rather than what they read in a book? Does it matter? I wonder if we've banned all discussion of fast exothermic reactions in schools now too? -- Andrew Gabriel |
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Owain wrote:
"Autolycus" wrote | I got my last lot from the local pharmacist - once I'd convinced | him I wasn't going to make tilt switches with it. Tilt switches for setting off car-bombs like you can easily get from Maplins? (the tilt switches that is, not the car-bombs). Though they do sell tanks with working guns. |
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| I think it's now a restricted substance. A whole generation won't | know the fun of seeing how many times you can divide a globule of | the stuff with your fingernail :-) Nowadays the kids practice dividing up other restricted substances on a mirror with a razorblade. Owain |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
I'm jolly glad I went to school in the second period. My first chemistry lesson at age 11, the teacher was off sick (hum, maybe something to that now;-). Anyway we sat at the benches and got out some homework to do from a different class instead. After a while, people got bored, and started pinging the tiny ball bearings around which were on the benches. Then we discovered that if two of them touched, they joined into a bigger ball bearing. Of course, these were tiny globules of mercury someone had spilt in an earlier class. I wonder how many of todays school kids have the slightest feeling for the real physical behaviour of mercury, rather than what they read in a book? Does it matter? I wonder if we've banned all discussion of fast exothermic reactions in schools now too? Yes, it's all very sad. For an interesting thread on this subject started by one bright youngster see http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&l...rlin.de&rnum=1 -- Andy |
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![]() "Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... I'm jolly glad I went to school in the second period. My first chemistry lesson at age 11, the teacher was off sick (hum, maybe something to that now;-). Anyway we sat at the benches and got out some homework to do from a different class instead. After a while, people got bored, and started pinging the tiny ball bearings around which were on the benches. Then we discovered that if two of them touched, they joined into a bigger ball bearing. Of course, these were tiny globules of mercury someone had spilt in an earlier class. Ok nostalgia time.. I remember chatting to the science teacher and idly nudging the balls of mercury together that were kicking about his desk. He went ape-**** shouting the odds as to the dangers of handling liquid mercury, no mention of his responsibility for having it laid about where children could handle it. Ahh! the best days of your life eh. |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:24:10 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:
They're all pussies these days. I don't think that they even show the effect of a piece of sodium or potassium dropped into a dish of water any longer. Thats a good one, start with Calcium and work up. Boring to hey! Our Chemistry teach got the amount of Potassium just a little to large and it fizzed violently for a few seconds then exploded cracking the large glass dish that held the water. I wonder how they teach distillation these days? We where told to bring in alcoholic beverages... very interesting Technical Drawing lesson after that particular double Chemistry. B-) The various states of Sulphur was good as well, you could hardly see across the lab for fumes. And the look and exclamations of disgust from other pupils when they passed the open windows was a picture. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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Andy Hall writes: On 24 Sep 2004 22:40:34 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: I wonder if we've banned all discussion of fast exothermic reactions in schools now too? They're all pussies these days. I don't think that they even show the effect of a piece of sodium or potassium dropped into a dish of water any longer. No? Well, we did that for ourselves in the class. The textbook said never drop them in acids, so we asked if we could try it from some distance. Supervised by the chemistry teacher, we rigged up a remote control to drop a lump of sodium (and it wasn't tiny) into medium concentrated hydrochloric acid, out in the middle of the field. This was quite interesting. At first it fizzed with the odd spark coming out. Then it switched into a roman candle type mode with a constant stream of sparks shooting out a couple of feet. After some further time, it exploded onto a 30 foot flame like a rocket going up, except there was no rocket. Thinking about this afterwards, I suggested the first phase was when the sodium was a solid bobbing on the surface of the acid, and it might still have had some oil covering (it is stored under oil to prevent reacting with air). The second phase it had probably melted into a globule on the acid, or maybe several globules. In the third phase it vapourised and reacted with the vapour or spray from the boiling acid (there was little acid and no sodium left in the container afterwards). Come to think of it, we all made a test tube of TNT in practical chemistry when we were covering it. ISTR we had to keep the test tube running under a cold tap to ensure it didn't heat up. At the end of the class, it was poured down the sink. Someone's TNT exploded when it was poured into the sink -- there wasn't enough to do any harm, but it sure got everyone's attention. In discussing it afterwards, the teacher suspected there was a trace of some other chemical in the sink which had triggered the "rapid decomposition of tri-nitro-toluene" as he referred to it. Some were not that bright though. I had one student chemistry teacher who decided that it would be worth showing flowers of sulphur being dissolved in carbon disulphide. Why, I have no idea, because it isn't that interesting. IIRC the purpose would be to crystallise sulphur out in a different form. At any rate, he was doing this in a fume cupboard in a mortar and it wasn't dissolving quickly enough for him, so he decided that warming it on a bunsen would be a good idea. It wasn't. Carbon Disulphide is highly flammable and in his surprise as it caught fire, he jerked his arm up and the whole conflagration went down his front. Fortunately none of us were injured, or I expect that there would have been all hell to pay, but he spent several weeks in hospital. I recall a few incidents, but the only hospitalisation I recall was a colleague who, during his real A-level practical where you are given a compound and have to work out what it is, managed to be looking down the test tube at the same moment he was heating it and it spat out into his eye. This must have been down to pressure of the exam as we'd done this loads of times before, and no one in the class would normally be silly enough to do that. He was rushed off to hospital by a teacher, but he was back before the end of the exam with an eye patch and was allowed to carry on. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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Andy Dingley writes: On 25 Sep 2004 09:46:36 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: Come to think of it, we all made a test tube of TNT in practical chemistry MNT or DNT possibly, but not TNT. Maybe -- I don't now recall enough of the details of what we did. It was certainly exposive though... -- Andrew Gabriel |
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![]() Maplins? (the tilt switches that is, not the car-bombs). Owain Not sure you would want a tilt switch on a car bomb, most use timers. Dave -- Some people use windows, others have a life. |
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writes Come to think of it, we all made a test tube of TNT in practical chemistry when we were covering it. ISTR we had to keep the test tube running under a cold tap to ensure it didn't heat up. At the end of the class, it was poured down the sink. Someone's TNT exploded when it was poured into the sink -- there wasn't enough to do any harm, but it sure got everyone's attention. In discussing it afterwards, the teacher suspected there was a trace of some other chemical in the sink which had triggered the "rapid decomposition of tri-nitro-toluene" as he referred to it. I thought TNT being a high explosive required percussive ignition. According to my grandfather, who was an industrial chemist, it's quite stable stuff otherwise. -- geoff |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:24:10 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: They're all pussies these days. I don't think that they even show the effect of a piece of sodium or potassium dropped into a dish of water any longer. I had that one for GCSE about 10 years ago. I wonder how they teach distillation these days? We where told to bring in alcoholic beverages... very interesting Technical Drawing lesson after that particular double Chemistry. B-) Again about 10 years ago, fractional distillation of crude oil, and comparing features like colour, viscosity and ease of ignition of the various fractions. -- Spamtrap in use To email replace 127.0.0.1 with blueyonder dot co dot uk |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:28:13 GMT, Phil Addison
wrote: On 25 Sep 2004 11:18:53 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: In article , Andy Dingley writes: On 25 Sep 2004 09:46:36 GMT, (Andrew Gabriel) wrote: Come to think of it, we all made a test tube of TNT in practical chemistry MNT or DNT possibly, but not TNT. Maybe -- I don't now recall enough of the details of what we did. It was certainly exposive though... We did the TNT synthesis too, and I'm sure it was tri-, not mono- or dinitrotoluene (at least that was what "chalky" our teacher claimed we were making, and the reaction theory backed it up). I wonder if teachers still have nicknames that last for generations. I guess that "chalky" was because his name was "White"? I had a number of teachers who had been at the school that I went to and its predecessor for most of their working lives and I have elderly relatives who were taught by them and knew them by the same nicknames, so the names had stuck for a good 30-40 years. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 01:36:01 GMT, raden wrote:
In message , Andrew Gabriel writes Come to think of it, we all made a test tube of TNT in practical chemistry when we were covering it. ISTR we had to keep the test tube running under a cold tap to ensure it didn't heat up. At the end of the class, it was poured down the sink. Someone's TNT exploded when it was poured into the sink -- there wasn't enough to do any harm, but it sure got everyone's attention. In discussing it afterwards, the teacher suspected there was a trace of some other chemical in the sink which had triggered the "rapid decomposition of tri-nitro-toluene" as he referred to it. I thought TNT being a high explosive required percussive ignition. According to my grandfather, who was an industrial chemist, it's quite stable stuff otherwise. From http://www.ordnance.org/tnt.htm "In a refined form, TNT is one of the most stable of high explosives and can be stored over long periods of time. It is relatively insensitive to blows or friction. It is nonhygroscopic and does not form sensitive compounds with metals, but it is readily acted upon by alkalies to form unstable compounds that are very sensitive to heat and impact." Is 'refined' the key to this? Phil The uk.d-i-y FAQ is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ Remove NOSPAM from address to email me |
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Andy Hall wrote:
They're all pussies these days. I don't think that they even show the effect of a piece of sodium or potassium dropped into a dish of water any longer. That simple experiment demonstrated exothermic reaction to the point of ignition and the use of litmus paper all in one go. The old school of teachers were able to get a whole load of information out of a fairly simple experiment and made the whole thing interesting. Same here. My first-ever chemistry lesson showed us how a chemical reaction creates a completely new compound, with its own properties that are quite different from those of the original reagents. "Pongo" Hemingway did this by first demonstrating the unpleasant properties of conc hydrochloric acid and of conc sodium hydroxide. Then he very carefully titrated them to equivalence - and passed the beaker of salt solution around for us all to taste. Mind you, he was still probably thinking much the same as we're thinking now: "When I were a lad, we started from real sodium and chlorine..." -- Ian White Abingdon, England |
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![]() "Ian Stirling" wrote in message ... G&M wrote: "Ian Stirling" wrote in message ... G&M wrote: "Smudger" smudger@here wrote in message .. . "Sunbeam" wrote in message ... I want to obtain about 40ml mercury to refill an open cistern barometer. Any ideas for a supplier please? or if you know someone who works in a secondary school, they might be able to help. I think it's now a restricted substance. A whole generation won't know the fun of seeing how many times you can divide a globule of the stuff with your fingernail :-) You can use gallium/indium alloy as a substitute. Comparatively non-toxic, and can be rolled around in your hands. Sodium/potassium alloy is much cheaper, but has the disadvantage that it'll burst into flames when you do that. That was a restricted (to teachers only) substance when I was young !!!!! Sodium/potassium, or indium? I've got both indium, gallium from ebay. Sodium/potassium. |
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Liquorice writes On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:24:10 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: They're all pussies these days. I don't think that they even show the effect of a piece of sodium or potassium dropped into a dish of water any longer. Thats a good one, start with Calcium and work up. Boring to hey! Our Chemistry teach got the amount of Potassium just a little to large and it fizzed violently for a few seconds then exploded cracking the large glass dish that held the water. Phosphorus, now I remember that was interesting I wonder how they teach distillation these days? We where told to bring in alcoholic beverages I remember making wine in Biology (many years ago) -- geoff |
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In message , Phil Addison
writes On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 01:36:01 GMT, raden wrote: In message , Andrew Gabriel writes Come to think of it, we all made a test tube of TNT in practical chemistry when we were covering it. ISTR we had to keep the test tube running under a cold tap to ensure it didn't heat up. At the end of the class, it was poured down the sink. Someone's TNT exploded when it was poured into the sink -- there wasn't enough to do any harm, but it sure got everyone's attention. In discussing it afterwards, the teacher suspected there was a trace of some other chemical in the sink which had triggered the "rapid decomposition of tri-nitro-toluene" as he referred to it. I thought TNT being a high explosive required percussive ignition. According to my grandfather, who was an industrial chemist, it's quite stable stuff otherwise. From http://www.ordnance.org/tnt.htm "In a refined form, TNT is one of the most stable of high explosives and can be stored over long periods of time. It is relatively insensitive to blows or friction. It is nonhygroscopic and does not form sensitive compounds with metals, but it is readily acted upon by alkalies to form unstable compounds that are very sensitive to heat and impact." Is 'refined' the key to this? Probably Apparently during the war, they used to send it around the factory in a molten state through pipes -- geoff |
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[TNT] | Apparently during the war, they used to send it around the | factory in a molten state through pipes That was so Hans Blix wouldn't see them pushing it about in wheelbarrows. Owain |
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![]() Many thanks to each and all for the responses. I had no idea that my little message would provoke such an interesting thread. It recalled some of my own experiences in chem labs at school and later in life. I'm still looking for a small qty of mercury though. Thanks Sunbeam |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:21:31 +0100, "Sunbeam" wrote:
Many thanks to each and all for the responses. I had no idea that my little message would provoke such an interesting thread. It recalled some of my own experiences in chem labs at school and later in life. I'm still looking for a small qty of mercury though. Hi, How small and what for? One or a few mercury tilt switches might have enough, or try: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3A.uk+mercury+barometer+repairs cheers, Pete. |
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