I'd like a panel mounting as small and neat a BT socket as possible. Slave
type, not that it matters. Plenty of frame ones at RS etc, but none
apparently exactly what I need. I'd like one just slightly larger than the
socket itself that clips into a cut out. Or some suggestions. ;-) The
panel will have a printed 'cover' panel, so fixing screws etc could be
concealed.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
I'd like a panel mounting as small and neat a BT socket as possible. Slave
type, not that it matters. Plenty of frame ones at RS etc, but none
apparently exactly what I need. I'd like one just slightly larger than the
socket itself that clips into a cut out. Or some suggestions. ;-) The
panel will have a printed 'cover' panel, so fixing screws etc could be
concealed.

MK might do something in their modular system.

Ash

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:15:32 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

I'd like a panel mounting as small and neat a BT socket as possible. Slave
type, not that it matters. Plenty of frame ones at RS etc, but none
apparently exactly what I need. I'd like one just slightly larger than the
socket itself that clips into a cut out. Or some suggestions. ;-) The
panel will have a printed 'cover' panel, so fixing screws etc could be
concealed.


What about one of the Euro modular ones. MK have these and RS have
a variety of makes. If you were to engineer the cutout, they just
click into place.


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Andy Hall wrote:
What about one of the Euro modular ones. MK have these and RS have a
variety of makes. If you were to engineer the cutout, they just click
into place.

I've got these round the house, but they're a bit bigger than I'd like.
Looking at one, it would be difficult to surface mount it, and making the
holes for them to be flush and the fixing for this quite a bit of work.
But it's an option if all else fails.

I've got a rectangular Q-Max which would do for the plug only, so I might
try just glueing a frame one on the back.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
I'd like a panel mounting as small and neat a BT socket as possible. Slave
type, not that it matters. Plenty of frame ones at RS etc, but none
apparently exactly what I need. I'd like one just slightly larger than the
socket itself that clips into a cut out. Or some suggestions. ;-) The
panel will have a printed 'cover' panel, so fixing screws etc could be
concealed.

You can buy in-line female to female joiners for extending a run using two
cables. These will unclip from each other giving probably the smallest
female socket you can get and I've filed then glued these onto numerous
surfaces. You'll need to joint the wires behind it somehow though.

In article ,
G&M wrote:
You can buy in-line female to female joiners for extending a run using
two cables. These will unclip from each other giving probably the
smallest female socket you can get and I've filed then glued these onto
numerous surfaces. You'll need to joint the wires behind it somehow
though.

Thanks - that sounds like it will look ok.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:15:32 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I'd like a panel mounting as small and neat a BT socket as possible.

Does it have to be BT? Neutrik do RJ45 in the new standard square
fitting.

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
I'd like a panel mounting as small and neat a BT socket as possible.

Does it have to be BT? Neutrik do RJ45 in the new standard square
fitting.

Yes - it's to plug standard phones into. It's a telephone ringer for
studio use.

Now a Neutric BT socket would have been perfect - it would match the XLRs
on the same panel.

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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:02:02 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article om,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
I'd like a panel mounting as small and neat a BT socket as possible.

Does it have to be BT? Neutrik do RJ45 in the new standard square
fitting.

Yes - it's to plug standard phones into. It's a telephone ringer for
studio use.

Now a Neutric BT socket would have been perfect - it would match the XLRs
on the same panel.



Why not change the leads on the phones to an RJ-11 to RJ-45 type?


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In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
Yes - it's to plug standard phones into. It's a telephone ringer for
studio use.

Now a Neutric BT socket would have been perfect - it would match the
XLRs on the same panel.


Why not change the leads on the phones to an RJ-11 to RJ-45 type?

The idea is to ring any standard phone that may be used 'in shot' in a TV
studio. To have to change the plugs on those would be a no-no.

To clarify, there is room on the panel for a standard small size flush BT
outlet. I just want something that looks better. ;-)

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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:27:44 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
Yes - it's to plug standard phones into. It's a telephone ringer for
studio use.

Now a Neutric BT socket would have been perfect - it would match the
XLRs on the same panel.


Why not change the leads on the phones to an RJ-11 to RJ-45 type?

The idea is to ring any standard phone that may be used 'in shot' in a TV
studio. To have to change the plugs on those would be a no-no.

OK...... I meant the whole lead though. Usually the RJ-11 is
underneath the phone so wouldn't be seen, and then the RJ-45 would be
in the desk. Or am I missing something?


To clarify, there is room on the panel for a standard small size flush BT
outlet. I just want something that looks better. ;-)


OK..... Would you want 75Vrms near low level audio stuff, or is it
balanced and immune enough?
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
Yes - it's to plug standard phones into. It's a telephone ringer for
studio use.

Now a Neutric BT socket would have been perfect - it would match the
XLRs on the same panel.


Why not change the leads on the phones to an RJ-11 to RJ-45 type?

The idea is to ring any standard phone that may be used 'in shot' in a TV
studio. To have to change the plugs on those would be a no-no.

You can get RJ45 - BT adaptors.

http://www.videkonline.co.uk/home.as...4&SectionID=38



To clarify, there is room on the panel for a standard small size flush BT
outlet. I just want something that looks better. ;-)

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In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
The idea is to ring any standard phone that may be used 'in shot' in a
TV studio. To have to change the plugs on those would be a no-no.


OK...... I meant the whole lead though. Usually the RJ-11 is
underneath the phone so wouldn't be seen, and then the RJ-45 would be in
the desk. Or am I missing something?

Phones on a one off production may be hired in. Or bought specially. It
would be a pain to have to modify them - and costly. Or try and find
adaptors. And just this happened years ago at the BBC as of course phones
didn't always plug in, and different TV companies used different plugs for
'audio' .

To clarify, there is room on the panel for a standard small size flush
BT outlet. I just want something that looks better. ;-)


OK..... Would you want 75Vrms near low level audio stuff, or is it
balanced and immune enough?

I'd better explain.

It is a small portable unit that is normally battery operated. To ring one
phone on location, say, you'd just plonk it close to the phone, plug that
in, and operate the ring via the cabled remote control.

It can ring two phones independently. And these two phones are linked so
the actors may talk to one another in the normal way. Now because of
'spill' from the studio mics in this situation, the phones would normally
be well apart. So there are duplicate XLR connections on the ringer that
allow extension stage boxes (XLR to BT) to be used - or indeed you could
use normal BT extensions. Or the unit could be situated in a control room,
mains operated, and the phones in the studio fed via normal audio tie
lines.

In the days of live TV drama, these things were common, and could often
handle up to say 6 phone circuits. But were ancient electro mechanical
technology which needed mains. Being small light and battery operated
makes this one very suitable for occasional use in today's type of
production.

I made a batch some years ago to order, and one is hired out by a third
party. One company that occasionally hires that one approached me to buy
one. Since it's a one off, I was taking the opportunity to update it in
some minor ways.

They fell out of use because pretty well all dramas have a dub where the
phone ring may be added afterwards. But with some soaps, etc, it makes
more sense to do this for real.

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In article ,
Ric wrote:
The idea is to ring any standard phone that may be used 'in shot' in a
TV studio. To have to change the plugs on those would be a no-no.

You can get RJ45 - BT adaptors.

Yup. Misses the point, though. They'd get lost.

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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:52:42 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
The idea is to ring any standard phone that may be used 'in shot' in a
TV studio. To have to change the plugs on those would be a no-no.


OK...... I meant the whole lead though. Usually the RJ-11 is
underneath the phone so wouldn't be seen, and then the RJ-45 would be in
the desk. Or am I missing something?

Phones on a one off production may be hired in. Or bought specially. It
would be a pain to have to modify them - and costly. Or try and find
adaptors. And just this happened years ago at the BBC as of course phones
didn't always plug in, and different TV companies used different plugs for
'audio' .

To clarify, there is room on the panel for a standard small size flush
BT outlet. I just want something that looks better. ;-)


OK..... Would you want 75Vrms near low level audio stuff, or is it
balanced and immune enough?

I'd better explain.

It is a small portable unit that is normally battery operated. To ring one
phone on location, say, you'd just plonk it close to the phone, plug that
in, and operate the ring via the cabled remote control.

It can ring two phones independently. And these two phones are linked so
the actors may talk to one another in the normal way. Now because of
'spill' from the studio mics in this situation, the phones would normally
be well apart. So there are duplicate XLR connections on the ringer that
allow extension stage boxes (XLR to BT) to be used - or indeed you could
use normal BT extensions. Or the unit could be situated in a control room,
mains operated, and the phones in the studio fed via normal audio tie
lines.

In the days of live TV drama, these things were common, and could often
handle up to say 6 phone circuits. But were ancient electro mechanical
technology which needed mains. Being small light and battery operated
makes this one very suitable for occasional use in today's type of
production.

I made a batch some years ago to order, and one is hired out by a third
party. One company that occasionally hires that one approached me to buy
one. Since it's a one off, I was taking the opportunity to update it in
some minor ways.

They fell out of use because pretty well all dramas have a dub where the
phone ring may be added afterwards. But with some soaps, etc, it makes
more sense to do this for real.



Now it makes sense.


So do you take audio from the phone and into the mixing desk or is it
picked up from the studio mikes? I guess it depends on the
situation, because I guess that if the viewer is "in the room" with
one party you'd normally want the studio mike and then to hear the
person on the other end (if you re meant to) from the perspective and
quality that the actor hears. .. or I guess that sometimes if the
scene is switched back and forth, it would be studio mike and not
including phone quality audio at all.


I see why you need a neat and small socket, though.

It seems as though the Euro module approach would be a good way,
though - if this is going to be thrown around.

Perhaps you could take one of the faceplates and cut it down neatly,
chamfering the edges and perhaps spray painting it?

Alternatively, I wonder if you could adapt a decent Euro faceplate so
that you could fit an XLR into it?



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In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
So do you take audio from the phone and into the mixing desk or is it
picked up from the studio mikes?

There is provision to do this, but the quality tends to be too good and
not the accepted sound of the 'other end' of a call.

I guess it depends on the
situation, because I guess that if the viewer is "in the room" with
one party you'd normally want the studio mike and then to hear the
person on the other end (if you re meant to) from the perspective and
quality that the actor hears. .. or I guess that sometimes if the
scene is switched back and forth, it would be studio mike and not
including phone quality audio at all.

Decent audio installations in studios include a switching unit operated
off the vision mixer. So when the camera shows one end of the call, the
other end (and mic) are diverted through an FX unit etc set up to provide
the sound you want. Usually extreme bass cut and some treble cut. Maybe
even some harmonic distortion. So as the cameras are cut (in a 'live' type
situation) the audio will always follow them and sound correct.


I see why you need a neat and small socket, though.

It seems as though the Euro module approach would be a good way,
though - if this is going to be thrown around.

Perhaps you could take one of the faceplates and cut it down neatly,
chamfering the edges and perhaps spray painting it?

Alternatively, I wonder if you could adapt a decent Euro faceplate so
that you could fit an XLR into it?

I'm considering fixing a frame type BT socket into a panel mounting XLR
body. There's just about room. Thanks to DL for reminding me about the RG
45 version.

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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:53:32 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You can get RJ45 - BT adaptors.

Yup. Misses the point, though. They'd get lost.

Or more correctly described as grow legs and walk.

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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:00:05 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Andy Hall wrote:
So do you take audio from the phone and into the mixing desk or is it
picked up from the studio mikes?

There is provision to do this, but the quality tends to be too good and
not the accepted sound of the 'other end' of a call.

I guess it depends on the
situation, because I guess that if the viewer is "in the room" with
one party you'd normally want the studio mike and then to hear the
person on the other end (if you re meant to) from the perspective and
quality that the actor hears. .. or I guess that sometimes if the
scene is switched back and forth, it would be studio mike and not
including phone quality audio at all.

Decent audio installations in studios include a switching unit operated
off the vision mixer. So when the camera shows one end of the call, the
other end (and mic) are diverted through an FX unit etc set up to provide
the sound you want. Usually extreme bass cut and some treble cut. Maybe
even some harmonic distortion. So as the cameras are cut (in a 'live' type
situation) the audio will always follow them and sound correct.


Ah, I see. Something like 300Hz to 3kHz plus some distortion etc. I
guess.

I hadn't realised that there were these integrations into the vision
mixing equipment, but see the sense in it from the timing perspective.

Many moons ago I designed automation systems for large mixdown desks
so have something of a feel of these issues.


I see why you need a neat and small socket, though.

It seems as though the Euro module approach would be a good way,
though - if this is going to be thrown around.

Perhaps you could take one of the faceplates and cut it down neatly,
chamfering the edges and perhaps spray painting it?

Alternatively, I wonder if you could adapt a decent Euro faceplate so
that you could fit an XLR into it?

I'm considering fixing a frame type BT socket into a panel mounting XLR
body. There's just about room. Thanks to DL for reminding me about the RG
45 version.

That makes a lot of sense. I guess that youcould epoxy pot the
socket into the XLR shell with care.



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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:00:05 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Decent audio installations in studios include a switching unit
operated off the vision mixer.

Gosh are people still installing those? Or are we talking legacy
installations from 10+ years ago. Always great fun to set up as it was
used so infrequently no could remeber exactly how to do it...

I'm considering fixing a frame type BT socket into a panel mounting
XLR body.

Seems a bit messy, couldn't you cut a Euromod sized hole and fit a BT
module? They are roughly the same width as an XLR panel mount, maybe
there is a height limitation.

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In article om,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
Decent audio installations in studios include a switching unit
operated off the vision mixer.

Gosh are people still installing those? Or are we talking legacy
installations from 10+ years ago. Always great fun to set up as it was
used so infrequently no could remeber exactly how to do it...

Yup. They were invariably one offs, so no two were the same. Unlike the
other controls on a 'strange' analogue desk that you could usually wing
your way around.

Dunno about current installations. Cost seems to be the main priority -
the days of doing things properly and allowing for all eventualities seem
to have gone. Just buy an off the shelf desk and dump it in.

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Somebody said
I'm considering fixing a frame type BT socket into a panel mounting
XLR body.

If you use the Neutrik modular XLR system you should be able to put an
in-line BT socket inside. This was how their prototype "XLR" RJ-45 was
made.

In article ,
G&M wrote:
I'm considering fixing a frame type BT socket into a panel mounting
XLR body.

If you use the Neutrik modular XLR system you should be able to put an
in-line BT socket inside. This was how their prototype "XLR" RJ-45 was
made.

Yup. This is what I've done. Fixed in place with car body filler. Looks
good.

I don't think an 'in line' type would fit, though, unless the socket comes
out of the cover. I've got some frame types designed for PCB mounting, and
the basic socket on those had to be 'eased' slightly to fit.

Incidentally, I used UV curing filler for this - it's one part and saves
all that mixing which is a bit wasteful for a tiny amount. Cures in
sunlight - or even more quickly using my UV box. And saves the stuff
setting on the tools.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
G&M wrote:
I'm considering fixing a frame type BT socket into a panel mounting
XLR body.

If you use the Neutrik modular XLR system you should be able to put an
in-line BT socket inside. This was how their prototype "XLR" RJ-45 was
made.

Yup. This is what I've done. Fixed in place with car body filler. Looks
good.

I don't think an 'in line' type would fit, though, unless the socket comes
out of the cover. I've got some frame types designed for PCB mounting, and
the basic socket on those had to be 'eased' slightly to fit.

Incidentally, I used UV curing filler for this - it's one part and saves
all that mixing which is a bit wasteful for a tiny amount.

Is that the same stuff dentists now use for fillings ?

In article ,
G&M wrote:
Incidentally, I used UV curing filler for this - it's one part and
saves all that mixing which is a bit wasteful for a tiny amount.

Is that the same stuff dentists now use for fillings ?

I think that's a tad more expensive. ;-)

This is just a tube of stuff from Halfords. Holts Cataloy No Mix. It
costs a bit more than ordinary two pack stuff, but you can just used the
exact amount straight from the tube for small jobs, so nice for the
workshop. One drawback is it has a limit of about 5mm thick per layer.
Sets in the sun in about 1/4 hr. Half hour on a dull day.

When set it seems the same as any other car body filler.

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Dave Plowman wrote:
This is just a tube of stuff from Halfords. Holts Cataloy No Mix. It
costs a bit more than ordinary two pack stuff, but you can just used
the exact amount straight from the tube for small jobs, so nice for the
workshop. One drawback is it has a limit of about 5mm thick per layer.
Sets in the sun in about 1/4 hr. Half hour on a dull day.


A friend was sold something very similar by his local garage, to re-glue
his rear view mirror to the outside of the car window. In northern
Sweden. In winter.

Sets in six months.


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snip

A friend was sold something very similar by his local garage, to re-glue
his rear view mirror to the outside of the car window. In northern
Sweden. In winter.


Funny place to attach a rear view mirror.....

:::Jerry:::: wrote:

"Ian White" wrote in message
...
snip

A friend was sold something very similar by his local garage, to re-glue
his rear view mirror to the outside of the car window. In northern
Sweden. In winter.


Funny place to attach a rear view mirror.....

Agreed, but that's where the manufacturer had put it, so that's where he
wanted to put it back.


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:::Jerry:::: wrote:

"Ian White" wrote in message
...
snip

A friend was sold something very similar by his local garage, to
re-glue
his rear view mirror to the outside of the car window. In northern
Sweden. In winter.


Funny place to attach a rear view mirror.....

Agreed, but that's where the manufacturer had put it, so that's where he
wanted to put it back.


What on the outside ?!... If so, are you really talking about a rear view
mirror or some other mirror device ?

:::Jerry:::: wrote:

"Ian White" wrote in message
...
:::Jerry:::: wrote:

"Ian White" wrote in message
...
snip

A friend was sold something very similar by his local garage, to
re-glue
his rear view mirror to the outside of the car window. In northern
Sweden. In winter.


Funny place to attach a rear view mirror.....

Agreed, but that's where the manufacturer had put it, so that's where he
wanted to put it back.


What on the outside ?!... If so, are you really talking about a rear view
mirror or some other mirror device ?


That's how I understood it, but it certainly wasn't the main point of
the conversation... or of this story.


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