I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting someone
else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery guy managed to
manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into the kitchen using just a
'sack barrow' kind of thing. Would something like that be worth using (what
sort should I get?), or are there any better ways?

Thanks
Theo

On Thu, 27 May 2021 14:10:40 +0100, Theo wrote:

I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer
etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting
someone else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery guy managed
to manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into the kitchen using just
a 'sack barrow' kind of thing. Would something like that be worth using
(what sort should I get?), or are there any better ways?

You might need to make a ramp for the door sill, but otherwise invest in
some Sliderz. They work well.



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On 27/05/2021 14:10, Theo wrote:
I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting someone
else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery guy managed to
manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into the kitchen using just a
'sack barrow' kind of thing. Would something like that be worth using (what
sort should I get?), or are there any better ways?

I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Bob Eager wrote:
You might need to make a ramp for the door sill, but otherwise invest in
some Sliderz. They work well.

not heard of those, googles

Won't the surface being concrete scratch (the slider or the surface)? They
would seem be to OK for carpet but not hard surfaces?

I see they also have some barrow products - do you mean those?
http://sliderz.co.uk/ProductsList/BARROW-PRODUCTS/1/
(they look just the same as ones at Toolstation and elsewhere - is there
anything special about them?)

Theo

S Viemeister wrote:
I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Interesting. Is there a cunning way to manoeurve a washer onto it? It
would seem easy to wheel around, but getting it on and off would be tricky
to do without help lifting?

Theo

On 27/05/2021 15:29, Theo wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Interesting. Is there a cunning way to manoeurve a washer onto it? It
would seem easy to wheel around, but getting it on and off would be tricky
to do without help lifting?

Theo



This might be a better bet:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dolla-Exten..._t2_B00ZX63POE

With teh former, you;ve got to lift the appliance off the floor
completely and then onto the wheeled frame. Then when at new location,
lift off the frame completely and then onto the floor.

With two saparate halves, you can tilt on one side, slip one bar under,
then tilt back the other way to then get the 2nd bar under so the weight
is being supported by teh floor rather than by two people lifting
to/from the wheeled frame.

On 27/05/2021 15:46, SH wrote:
On 27/05/2021 15:29, Theo wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Interesting.Â* Is there a cunning way to manoeurve a washer onto it?Â* It
would seem easy to wheel around, but getting it on and off would be
tricky
to do without help lifting?

Theo



This might be a better bet:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dolla-Exten..._t2_B00ZX63POE


With teh former, you;ve got to lift the appliance off the floor
completely and then onto the wheeled frame. Then when at new location,
lift off the frame completely and then onto the floor.

With two saparate halves, you can tilt on one side, slip one bar under,
then tilt back the other way to then get the 2nd bar under so the weight
is being supported by teh floor rather than by two people lifting
to/from the wheeled frame.

or even this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Furniture-M...Y42EZQTTY5236S

On 27/05/2021 14:10, Theo wrote:
I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting someone
else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery guy managed to
manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into the kitchen using just a
'sack barrow' kind of thing. Would something like that be worth using (what
sort should I get?), or are there any better ways?

Thanks
Theo


I used a piece of upside-down carpet. I covered the door cill with a
sheet of hardboard.

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On 27/05/2021 14:10, Theo wrote:
I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting someone
else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery guy managed to
manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into the kitchen using just a
'sack barrow' kind of thing. Would something like that be worth using (what
sort should I get?), or are there any better ways?

Thanks
Theo

Tumble dryers, fridges and freezers aren't heavy (assuming they're
empty!) so get a pal to help you carry them, or "walk" them yourself, if
necessary with bits of hardboard to protect the floor. Washing machines
are a bit more sweat-inducing but can also be "walked", or slid on a
hardboard or MDF sheet, or carried if you can find a mate to help. If
you can't find a pal then get it onto a sheet of MDF or Ply and put some
bits of pipe underneath to act as rollers. Door sills are easily dealt
with by using a sheet of something rigid.
FWIW I've recently been moving a 2000kg lathe and a 500kg mill by
myself, just using bits of pipe, a crowbar and some wood blocks (and
lots of grunting and swearing).
If you opt for a sack truck then be careful not to pivot the "foot" into
the middle of the bottom of the washing machine - many don't have solid
bottoms.

On 27/05/2021 14:10, Theo wrote:
I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting someone
else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery guy managed to
manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into the kitchen using just a
'sack barrow' kind of thing. Would something like that be worth using (what
sort should I get?), or are there any better ways?


Much depends on what surface you are moving stuff. For example, across a
vinyl floor or other smooth surface, and piece of inverted carpet under
the appliance will make it easy to slide.

Various skate type platforms etc can also work well

For more difficult moves then I use:

https://cpc.farnell.com/duratool/d00...11047?st=truck

(or simpler lighter versions may suffice)

That can make things easier to get over steps etc (sometimes with a
block or brick against it to make a lower "step" to ease getting it up)

Normally I stick some old blankets or carpet over the trolly to stop it
scratching up the appliance.

I have successfully moveed things like a washing machine out of a house,
down a few steps and into the back of my car on my own using a trolly,
some old blankets, and a couple of wood planks to make a ramp. (reverse
it into the car - handles first - stick a blanket under them so they
slide easily on the floor of the boot, then push appliance up the ramp
on its side on the trolly)


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On 27/05/2021 15:29, Theo wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Interesting. Is there a cunning way to manoeurve a washer onto it? It
would seem easy to wheel around, but getting it on and off would be tricky
to do without help lifting?

Tilt the machine well over, push the dolly well under, tilt the machine
the other way and "walk" it the rest of the way on?

On 27/05/2021 15:46, SH wrote:
On 27/05/2021 15:29, Theo wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Interesting.Â* Is there a cunning way to manoeurve a washer onto it?Â* It
would seem easy to wheel around, but getting it on and off would be
tricky
to do without help lifting?

Theo



This might be a better bet:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dolla-Exten..._t2_B00ZX63POE


With teh former, you;ve got to lift the appliance off the floor
completely and then onto the wheeled frame. Then when at new location,
lift off the frame completely and then onto the floor.

With two saparate halves, you can tilt on one side, slip one bar under,
then tilt back the other way to then get the 2nd bar under so the weight
is being supported by teh floor rather than by two people lifting
to/from the wheeled frame.

Although they can tend to go different ways when you're moving the machine!

On 27/05/2021 14:10, Theo wrote:
I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting someone
else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery guy managed to
manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into the kitchen using just a
'sack barrow' kind of thing. Would something like that be worth using (what
sort should I get?), or are there any better ways?

Thanks
Theo



Of course you use a sack truck. Over years and years of development,
nobody has come up with something better.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/heavy-dut...ck-300kg/3602p

That will do the job nicely. Nice big bouncy wheels that will probably
go over the door sill without any ramps being built.

GB wrote:
Of course you use a sack truck. Over years and years of development,
nobody has come up with something better.

That's what I thought, but wanted someone to prove me wrong

https://www.screwfix.com/p/heavy-dut...ck-300kg/3602p

That will do the job nicely. Nice big bouncy wheels that will probably
go over the door sill without any ramps being built.

I was looking at this one:
https://www.screwfix.com/p/shovel-ha...ck-250kg/3327p
which had a foldable platform at the bottom, handy for not ripping the
bottom out of the appliance.

Although they go quite pricey, and wondering if it was worth the extra...

Theo

On 27/05/2021 14:10, Theo wrote:
I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting someone
else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery guy managed to
manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into the kitchen using just a
'sack barrow' kind of thing. Would something like that be worth using (what
sort should I get?), or are there any better ways?

Thanks
Theo

sack barrow is a very good device. it rolls on a flat surface and can
lever a load up a small step

£40

https://www.amazon.co.uk/600LB-Heavy...dp/B0821NKF47/


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On Thu, 27 May 2021 15:46:06 +0100, SH wrote:



This might be a better bet:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dolla-Exten..._t2_B00ZX63POE

I had a pair of them in the 1980s but didn't keep them very long.
Wasn't impressed.

Didn't have any difficulty moving a washing machine from the utility
room, over a step into the integral garage about three years ago, and
I'm not exactly muscle bound. Shifted the old dish washer into the
garage as well, with no problems.
Fridges and freezers are structurally quite light; delivery men are
likely to show off by carrying smaller ones unaided single handed.

Although they go quite pricey, and wondering if it was worth the extra...

It's odd how expensive these all are. I'm sure they were more like £20
when I bought mine 3 years ago.

On 27/05/2021 15:29, Theo wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Interesting. Is there a cunning way to manoeurve a washer onto it? It
would seem easy to wheel around, but getting it on and off would be tricky
to do without help lifting?

Tilt, shove under with foot, brace against something solid, shimmy it on
the rest of the way. I've done it without help, but it is _much_ easier
with another pair of hands. Also helps if you're fairly tall, as long
arms make it a bit easier.
The washer/dryer combo and the freezer are still sitting on them - makes
it much easier to clean under them.

On 27/05/2021 15:46, SH wrote:

With teh former, you;ve got to lift the appliance off the floor
completely and then onto the wheeled frame. Then when at new location,
lift off the frame completely and then onto the floor.

With two saparate halves, you can tilt on one side, slip one bar under,
then tilt back the other way to then get the 2nd bar under so the weight
is being supported by teh floor rather than by two people lifting
to/from the wheeled frame.

I've tried those. The main problem is the fact that the wheels don't
swivel, so when you try to turn a corner, it causes difficulties - often
one of the wheels will lose touch with the unit you are trying to move.

On 27/05/2021 16:49, Steve Walker wrote:
On 27/05/2021 15:46, SH wrote:
On 27/05/2021 15:29, Theo wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
I've used this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/
under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.
Interesting.Â* Is there a cunning way to manoeurve a washer onto it?Â* It
would seem easy to wheel around, but getting it on and off would be
tricky
to do without help lifting?
This might be a better bet:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dolla-Exten..._t2_B00ZX63POE
With teh former, you;ve got to lift the appliance off the floor
completely and then onto the wheeled frame. Then when at new location,
lift off the frame completely and then onto the floor.
With two saparate halves, you can tilt on one side, slip one bar
under, then tilt back the other way to then get the 2nd bar under so
the weight is being supported by teh floor rather than by two people
lifting to/from the wheeled frame.

Although they can tend to go different ways when you're moving the machine!

Indeed they do! That's why I don't use them any more.

On 27/05/2021 16:48, Steve Walker wrote:
On 27/05/2021 15:29, Theo wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Interesting.Â* Is there a cunning way to manoeurve a washer onto it?Â* It
would seem easy to wheel around, but getting it on and off would be
tricky
to do without help lifting?

Tilt the machine well over, push the dolly well under, tilt the machine
the other way and "walk" it the rest of the way on?

Yes. That's what I did.

Theo wrote

I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer
etc - by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting
someone else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery
guy managed to manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into
the kitchen using just a 'sack barrow' kind of thing.

That’s what I use, it works fine.

Would something like that be worth using

Yes.

(what sort should I get?),

Mine has inflatable tyres which isnt idea,
it needs to be pumped up before use but
got borrowed and the borrower burst one
of them and replaced it for more than a
whole new one costs and now only one
needs to be pumped up before use.
The solid tyre ones don’t have that
problem but don’t work as well over sills.

or are there any better ways?

Not with just one person moving it with that door sill.

"S Viemeister" wrote in message
...
On 27/05/2021 14:10, Theo wrote:
I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer
etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting
someone
else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery guy managed
to
manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into the kitchen using just a
'sack barrow' kind of thing. Would something like that be worth using
(what
sort should I get?), or are there any better ways?

I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Not so easy to get the fridge freezer onto that. Easier with
a big sack trolley tho a bit risky with just one person.

"SH" wrote in message
...
On 27/05/2021 15:46, SH wrote:
On 27/05/2021 15:29, Theo wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Interesting. Is there a cunning way to manoeurve a washer onto it? It
would seem easy to wheel around, but getting it on and off would be
tricky
to do without help lifting?

Theo



This might be a better bet:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dolla-Exten..._t2_B00ZX63POE
With teh former, you;ve got to lift the appliance off the floor
completely and then onto the wheeled frame. Then when at new location,
lift off the frame completely and then onto the floor.

With two saparate halves, you can tilt on one side, slip one bar under,
then tilt back the other way to then get the 2nd bar under so the weight
is being supported by teh floor rather than by two people lifting to/from
the wheeled frame.

or even this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Furniture-M...Y42EZQTTY5236S

Cant see that handling the door sill very well tho.

"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
On 27/05/2021 15:29, Theo wrote:
S Viemeister wrote:
I've used this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ZX63POE/

under a full size freezer. Also under a stacked washer and dryer.

Interesting. Is there a cunning way to manoeurve a washer onto it? It
would seem easy to wheel around, but getting it on and off would be
tricky
to do without help lifting?

Tilt the machine well over, push the dolly well under, tilt the machine
the other way

Tricky to do by yourself, the dolly wants to escape from under.

The sack trolley allows you to keep hold of what under the appliance.

and "walk" it the rest of the way on?

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On 27/05/2021 18:24, Peter Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 27 May 2021 15:46:06 +0100, SH wrote:



This might be a better bet:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dolla-Exten..._t2_B00ZX63POE

I had a pair of them in the 1980s but didn't keep them very long.
Wasn't impressed.

Didn't have any difficulty moving a washing machine from the utility
room, over a step into the integral garage about three years ago, and
I'm not exactly muscle bound.

It depends upon the machine. I could move our old Hotpoint washing
machine by myself, I can also move its replacement Haier, although it is
heavier and it's a lot easier with two. Some years ago, it was hard work
for three of us to move and old Miele - I think that thing was almost
solid concrete!

On Thu, 27 May 2021 14:45:32 +0100, Theo wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:
You might need to make a ramp for the door sill, but otherwise invest
in some Sliderz. They work well.

not heard of those, googles

Won't the surface being concrete scratch (the slider or the surface)?
They would seem be to OK for carpet but not hard surfaces?

They're pretty polished, and I haven't had any issues.

We have used them for swivelling a guest's wheelchair round a tight
corner in the house!



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On 27/05/2021 21:36, Steve Walker wrote:
Some years ago, it was hard work
for three of us to move and old Miele - I think that thing was almost
solid concrete!

Far from it. I was told by a repair man a couple of weeks ago that Miele
use cast iron and not concrete in their machines.

On 27/05/2021 17:45, Theo wrote:
I was looking at this one:
https://www.screwfix.com/p/shovel-ha...ck-250kg/3327p
which had a foldable platform at the bottom, handy for not ripping the
bottom out of the appliance.

I bought one of these:

https://www.screwfix.com/p/heavy-dut...ck-300kg/3602p

It's very good indeed. Unfortunately, it came with that rather fiddly
finger guard pre broken.

Rgere;s a technique to using these things. Get the blade under the
"thing", either hold the thing or strap it as you pull the handles
towards you and simultaneously push the axle away with your feet.

If you like, you can put a bit of board on the blade to support the
"thing". You can wrap cardboard or foam pipe lagging aroubd the back if
you have something delicate to move.

I used mine for moving paving slabs, sections of concrete building, bags
of cement and other stuff. VERY, very useful.

Note: the tyres are rubbish, and will last about a year and a half
before they perish, they might last longer if kept in a shed but I don't
know. They are easy to get replacements for, though.

Note: The wheels are split rim, if you undo the bolts while the tyre is
inflated you will get a very nasty surprise, especially if you're in the
way of the resultant missile.

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 4:17:21 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 27/05/2021 14:10, Theo wrote:
I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

Can anyone recommend what's the best way to do this without getting someone
else to assist? Obviously I don't want to damage them.

I once had a washing machine delivered and the sole delivery guy managed to
manhandle it out of the tail-lift van and into the kitchen using just a
'sack barrow' kind of thing. Would something like that be worth using (what
sort should I get?), or are there any better ways?
Much depends on what surface you are moving stuff. For example, across a
vinyl floor or other smooth surface, and piece of inverted carpet under
the appliance will make it easy to slide.

Various skate type platforms etc can also work well

For more difficult moves then I use:

https://cpc.farnell.com/duratool/d00...11047?st=truck

(or simpler lighter versions may suffice)

That can make things easier to get over steps etc (sometimes with a
block or brick against it to make a lower "step" to ease getting it up)

Normally I stick some old blankets or carpet over the trolly to stop it
scratching up the appliance.

I have successfully moveed things like a washing machine out of a house,
down a few steps and into the back of my car on my own using a trolly,
some old blankets, and a couple of wood planks to make a ramp. (reverse
it into the car - handles first - stick a blanket under them so they
slide easily on the floor of the boot, then push appliance up the ramp
on its side on the trolly)


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On Vinyl, if you slide an upside down off cut under the machine, having first sprayed the surface with anti-bac spary, you will find it slides easily. A good tip from a flooring fitter.

Jonathan

Theo wrote :
I need to move some heavy appliances - washing machine, fridge freezer etc -
by a few dozen metres (hard surface), including over a door sill.

On a smooth hard surface, a piece of carpet works well, placed under
the appliance.

On 28/05/2021 12:00, Jonathan wrote:
On Vinyl, if you slide an upside down off cut under the machine, having first sprayed the surface with anti-bac spary, you will find it slides easily. A good tip from a flooring fitter.

Jonathan



On vinyl, a minute amount of PTFE spray turns it into a lethal skating
rink. Got the T shirt and bruises, etc.

On 28/05/2021 09:39, Andrew wrote:
On 27/05/2021 21:36, Steve Walker wrote:
Some years ago, it was hard work
for three of us to move and old Miele - I think that thing was almost
solid concrete!

Far from it. I was told by a repair man a couple of weeks ago that Miele
use cast iron and not concrete in their machines.

That seems quite possible. It was certainly the heaviest washing machine
that I have encountered.

My parents had a (second-hand) Meile dishwasher and I must say that I
was impressed. It was from before the days of Microcontrollers, using a
motor driven time-switch mechanism and various relays and timer relays.
Inside the cover was a full schematic, marked up with the technician's
name, the changes, the dates and descriptions of the changes made during
a couple of service visits, when the technician added/changed components
to update the machine's existing programs and add an additional one.