Recently, I redesigned part of my garden and put in a circular self
binding gravel path.
Anyway, now with the heavy rain / downpours, the top surface of the path
looks like it has been picked at. I did use a whacker plate machine to
compact it.
Also, when it has rained heavily, there are limestone splash marks on
the brown plastic edging I used between the path and soil.

I have tried : turps / white spirit,weak mix of bleach in water, and a
proprietry stain remover, albeit for fabric. I have also used just a wet
/ damp rag, but no matter what I have tried when the edging dries out,
the stains are still there.

I googled my problem but all I got was limescale remover. Is limescale
the same as limestone stains, I didn't think so

On 15/05/2021 14:06, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2021 13:02:47 +0100, RobH wrote:

Recently, I redesigned part of my garden and put in a circular self
binding gravel path.
Anyway, now with the heavy rain / downpours, the top surface of the path
looks like it has been picked at. I did use a whacker plate machine to
compact it.
Also, when it has rained heavily, there are limestone splash marks on
the brown plastic edging I used between the path and soil.

I have tried : turps / white spirit,weak mix of bleach in water, and a
proprietry stain remover, albeit for fabric. I have also used just a wet
/ damp rag, but no matter what I have tried when the edging dries out,
the stains are still there.

I googled my problem but all I got was limescale remover. Is limescale
the same as limestone stains, I didn't think so

What colour is this staining? A picture would be helpful for
diagnosis, but you can't post directly to this newsgroup - you have to
upload it to an image-hosting site. Not quite sure what you mean by
limestone stains. Limestone is calcium carbonate, same as chalk, and
yes, it's the same as lime scale. Limestone is only very slightly
soluble in water, so I doubt if of itself it can cause staining. Fresh
cement will sometimes 'bleed' white deposits, but these eventually
dissolve away. If you still think it's caused by limestone, try
cleaning it off with dilute acetic acid such as vinegar, citric acid
such as lemon juice, or in the extreme try brick acid.


The colour of the staining is like a yellow to cream colour.

i said limestone because , well, I thought that was what self binding
gravel was, doh!
In fact it's actually called Geo Selfbinding Gravel, which I bought from
a localish supplier. Whether that's limestone or not, I don't know, but
from the information on he

https://geoquarries.co.uk/geopave10-...inding-gravel/

It says it is premium quality angular limestone.

Thanks

On 15/05/2021 13:02, RobH wrote:
there are limestone splash marks on the brown plastic edging I used between the path and soil.

It would be odd were it anything but limestone residue, unless there's
something else in the self-amalgamating, but as Mr Hogg says, try brick
acif. You can get 5L very reasonably from Toolstation (Bostik I think,
hang on... yes, "Bostik Concentrated Mortar & Brick Cleaner 5L" £6.15
(you can get it cheaper "Feb" or whatever elsewhere)). You'll also want
a brush or rag and rubber gloves. Do a small bit first to check it's OK,
the stuff's hydrochloric acid with additives.

If it doesn't work, you've enough really, really efficient lavatory
descaler for quite a while, you only need about 50ml at a time.

On 15/05/2021 14:30, Chris Bacon wrote:
On 15/05/2021 13:02, RobH wrote:
there are limestone splash marks onÂ* the brown plastic edging I used
between the path and soil.

It would be odd were it anything but limestone residue, unless there's
something else in the self-amalgamating, but as Mr Hogg says, try brick
acif. You can get 5L very reasonably from Toolstation (Bostik I think,
hang on... yes, "Bostik Concentrated Mortar & Brick Cleaner 5L" £6.15
(you can get it cheaper "Feb" or whatever elsewhere)). You'll also want
a brush or rag and rubber gloves. Do a small bit first to check it's OK,
the stuff's hydrochloric acid with additives.

If it doesn't work, you've enough really, really efficient lavatory
descaler for quite a while, you only need about 50ml at a time.


The problem is that every time we have a solid downpour, like we have
had this month, it hits the compacted surface of gravel that hard , it
seems to splash something up to the brown plastic edging I put in at the
time.
It seemed like a good idea when I put in the gravel path, but it's not
looking like that when we have a downpour.
If I clean the edging once, I bet I'll be doing after every downpour

I'll try some brick acid, and or maybe some limescale remover.

Thanks

RobH wrote:
On 15/05/2021 14:30, Chris Bacon wrote:
On 15/05/2021 13:02, RobH wrote:
there are limestone splash marks on the brown plastic edging I used
between the path and soil.

It would be odd were it anything but limestone residue, unless there's
something else in the self-amalgamating, but as Mr Hogg says, try
brick acif. You can get 5L very reasonably from Toolstation (Bostik I
think, hang on... yes, "Bostik Concentrated Mortar & Brick Cleaner 5L"
£6.15 (you can get it cheaper "Feb" or whatever elsewhere)). You'll
also want a brush or rag and rubber gloves. Do a small bit first to
check it's OK, the stuff's hydrochloric acid with additives.

If it doesn't work, you've enough really, really efficient lavatory
descaler for quite a while, you only need about 50ml at a time.


The problem is that every time we have a solid downpour, like we have
had this month, it hits the compacted surface of gravel that hard , it
seems to splash something up to the brown plastic edging I put in at the
time.
It seemed like a good idea when I put in the gravel path, but it's not
looking like that when we have a downpour.
If I clean the edging once, I bet I'll be doing after every downpour

I'll try some brick acid, and or maybe some limescale remover.

Thanks

That stuff is not a toy.

https://www.bobvila.com/articles/muriatic-acid/

Paul

On 15/05/2021 13:02, RobH wrote:
Recently, I redesigned part of my garden and put in a circular self
binding gravel path.
Anyway, now with the heavy rain / downpours, the top surface of the path
looks like it has been picked at. I did use a whacker plate machine to
compact it.
Also, when it has rained heavily, there are limestone splash marks on
the brown plastic edging I used between the path and soil.

I have tried : turps / white spirit,weak mix of bleach in water, and a
proprietry stain remover, albeit for fabric. I have also used just a wet
/ damp rag, but no matter what I have tried when the edging dries out,
the stains are still there.

I googled my problem but all I got was limescale remover. Is limescale
the same as limestone stains, I didn't think so

Mostly it is: calcium carbonate




--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

On 15/05/2021 16:24, Chris Hogg wrote:
brick acid, but wear Marigolds and some sort of face
shield, as it's not the sort of stuff you want to splash all over
yourself.

It's less damaging on skin than it is on jeans..

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
-- Yogi Berra

On 15/05/2021 16:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/05/2021 13:02, RobH wrote:
Recently, I redesigned part of my garden and put in a circular self
binding gravel path.
Anyway, now with the heavy rain / downpours, the top surface of the
path looks like it has been picked at. I did use a whacker plate
machine to compact it.
Also, when it has rained heavily, there are limestone splash marks on
the brown plastic edging I used between the path and soil.

I have tried : turps / white spirit,weak mix of bleach in water, and a
proprietry stain remover, albeit for fabric. I have also used just a
wet / damp rag, but no matter what I have tried when the edging dries
out, the stains are still there.

I googled my problem but all I got was limescale remover. Is limescale
the same as limestone stains, I didn't think so

Mostly it is: calcium carbonate




Ok thanks, but every time it rains and comes down like stair rods, it
splashes it up and doesn't seem to want to come off that easily.

It kind of make me wish I'd used ordanairy gravel now, aargh!

On 15/05/2021 18:00, RobH wrote:
It kind of make me wish I'd used ordanairy gravel now, aargh!

Suggestion: Add a layer of pea gravel to prevent splashes. Note that if
you use 10mm it may "walk" on the soles of people's shoes (but so does
self-amalgamating...), if you use 20mm it won't, but does not look so nice.

"Paul" wrote in message
...
RobH wrote:
On 15/05/2021 14:30, Chris Bacon wrote:
On 15/05/2021 13:02, RobH wrote:
there are limestone splash marks on the brown plastic edging I used
between the path and soil.

It would be odd were it anything but limestone residue, unless there's
something else in the self-amalgamating, but as Mr Hogg says, try brick
acif. You can get 5L very reasonably from Toolstation (Bostik I think,
hang on... yes, "Bostik Concentrated Mortar & Brick Cleaner 5L" £6.15
(you can get it cheaper "Feb" or whatever elsewhere)). You'll also want
a brush or rag and rubber gloves. Do a small bit first to check it's OK,
the stuff's hydrochloric acid with additives.

If it doesn't work, you've enough really, really efficient lavatory
descaler for quite a while, you only need about 50ml at a time.


The problem is that every time we have a solid downpour, like we have had
this month, it hits the compacted surface of gravel that hard , it seems
to splash something up to the brown plastic edging I put in at the time.
It seemed like a good idea when I put in the gravel path, but it's not
looking like that when we have a downpour.
If I clean the edging once, I bet I'll be doing after every downpour

I'll try some brick acid, and or maybe some limescale remover.

That stuff is not a toy.

https://www.bobvila.com/articles/muriatic-acid/

But is routinely used for cleaning brick work after
bricklaying without anything special PPE wise.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 15/05/2021 16:24, Chris Hogg wrote:
brick acid, but wear Marigolds and some sort of face
shield, as it's not the sort of stuff you want to splash all over
yourself.

It's less damaging on skin than it is on jeans..

Yeah, is no big deal at all on skin.

On 15/05/2021 18:24, Chris Bacon wrote:
On 15/05/2021 18:00, RobH wrote:
It kind of make me wish I'd used ordanairy gravel now, aargh!

Suggestion: Add a layer of pea gravel to prevent splashes. Note that if
you use 10mm it may "walk" on the soles of people's shoes (but so does
self-amalgamating...), if you use 20mm it won't, but does not look so nice.

Thanks for that tip. I have about a 3/4 bag of 10mm pea gravel, which
I'll try as an experiment first. Then take it from there.

On Sun, 16 May 2021 03:51:21 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Yeah, is no big deal at all on skin.

Depends on the skin, senile sociopath.

--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On Sun, 16 May 2021 03:50:14 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:



That stuff is not a toy.

https://www.bobvila.com/articles/muriatic-acid/

But is routinely used for cleaning brick work after
bricklaying without anything special PPE wise.

....and the sociopath's pathological auto-contradicting continues...

--
Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin:
"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
MID:

On 15/05/2021 18:00, RobH wrote:
On 15/05/2021 16:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/05/2021 13:02, RobH wrote:
Recently, I redesigned part of my garden and put in a circular self
binding gravel path.
Anyway, now with the heavy rain / downpours, the top surface of the
path looks like it has been picked at. I did use a whacker plate
machine to compact it.
Also, when it has rained heavily, there are limestone splash marks on
the brown plastic edging I used between the path and soil.

I have tried : turps / white spirit,weak mix of bleach in water, and
a proprietry stain remover, albeit for fabric. I have also used just
a wet / damp rag, but no matter what I have tried when the edging
dries out, the stains are still there.

I googled my problem but all I got was limescale remover. Is
limescale the same as limestone stains, I didn't think so

Mostly it is: calcium carbonate




Ok thanks, but every time it rains and comes down like stair rods, it
splashes it up and doesn't seem to want to come off that easily.

It kind of make me wish I'd used ordanairy gravel now, aargh!

In time the dusty stuff will wash down and the gravel will be left
And the grass will grow...

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and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them.
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, ones
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of
ones suitability to be taken seriously.€�

Paul Krugman

Its probably so soft its scratched and now looks rustic, in a couple of
years it will be cracked with heat and cold and looking completely naff. I'd
never use plastic edging again. I tried some white upvc stuff some years ago
when I could still see a bit to have a line to follow, but it soon went
grey, yellow or brown and then brittle and cracked. Also it was extremely
easy to damage by lawn mowers and strimmers.

Brian

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"RobH" wrote in message
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Recently, I redesigned part of my garden and put in a circular self
binding gravel path.
Anyway, now with the heavy rain / downpours, the top surface of the path
looks like it has been picked at. I did use a whacker plate machine to
compact it.
Also, when it has rained heavily, there are limestone splash marks on the
brown plastic edging I used between the path and soil.

I have tried : turps / white spirit,weak mix of bleach in water, and a
proprietry stain remover, albeit for fabric. I have also used just a wet /
damp rag, but no matter what I have tried when the edging dries out, the
stains are still there.

I googled my problem but all I got was limescale remover. Is limescale the
same as limestone stains, I didn't think so

On 15/05/2021 16:24, Chris Hogg wrote:

Meanwhile, brick acid, but wear Marigolds and some sort of face
shield, as it's not the sort of stuff you want to splash all over
yourself.


That'll dissolve the limestone path nicely :-)