OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence to make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late as the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence panels can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig little tunnels under the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create them? I
don't really want to try to cut the concrete gravel boards, and then rejoin
them with brackets or something as for a start it will not last and secondly
a lump of angle iron on the bottom of the fence will look awful, and rust
way.

Anyone done this after a fence with a cement gravel board is built?
Brian

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On 25/04/2021 12:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence to make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late as the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence panels can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig little tunnels under the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create them? I
don't really want to try to cut the concrete gravel boards, and then rejoin
them with brackets or something as for a start it will not last and secondly
a lump of angle iron on the bottom of the fence will look awful, and rust
way.

Anyone done this after a fence with a cement gravel board is built?
Brian

I am sorry that he ****ed it up. Have you already paid him?


I have my own hedgehog nesting place.



On 25/04/2021 12:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence to make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late as the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence panels can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig little tunnels under the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create them? I
don't really want to try to cut the concrete gravel boards, and then rejoin
them with brackets or something as for a start it will not last and secondly
a lump of angle iron on the bottom of the fence will look awful, and rust
way.

Anyone done this after a fence with a cement gravel board is built?
Brian



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On 25/04/2021 12:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence to make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late as the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence panels can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig little tunnels under the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create them?

That is exactly what the foxes have done around my way to get to the
various gardens even though they can also jump from shed to shed roofs
and use compost daleks as a step.

Personally I would bother lining them.



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If it's the type with rebar inside, exposing it will start that rusting
and eventually crumbling the concrete

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Richard wrote:
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If it's the type with rebar inside, exposing it will start that rusting
and eventually crumbling the concrete

Can they not be painted with something?

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On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 12:33:56 PM UTC+1, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence to make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late as the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence panels can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig little tunnels under the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create them? I
don't really want to try to cut the concrete gravel boards, and then rejoin
them with brackets or something as for a start it will not last and secondly
a lump of angle iron on the bottom of the fence will look awful, and rust
way.

Anyone done this after a fence with a cement gravel board is built?
Brian

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Might be easier to cut out of the timber panel and build a hedgehog size ramp up to the hole.

Richard

On 25/04/2021 12:50, alan_m wrote:


Personally I would bother lining them.


........ wouldn't bother lining


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On 25/04/2021 12:50, alan_m wrote:
On 25/04/2021 12:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence
to make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late
as the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence
panels can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig littleÂ* tunnels under the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create them?

That is exactly what the foxes have done around my way to get to the
various gardens even though they can also jump from shed to shed roofs
and use compost daleks as a step.

Personally I would bother lining them.



+1

Foxes dug a hole under the fence twixt me an neighbour so that they
could knock the peanut feeder stand over, but has also been seen
jumping/scrambling over 6 foot panel fences.

Hedgehogs are quite good at climbing, as has been shown on TV
programs about hedgehog highways so making a hole in the panel
above the gravel board would do. Just add a housebrick each side
as a stepping stone ifyou want to help.

Andy Burns laid this down on his screen :
If it's the type with rebar inside, exposing it will start that rusting and
eventually crumbling the concrete

A metal detector will confirm whether there is, or isn't.

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On 25/04/2021 15:21, Andrew wrote:


Hedgehogs are quite good at climbing, as has been shown on TV
programs about hedgehog highways so making a hole in the panel
above the gravel board would do. Just add a housebrick each side
as a stepping stone ifyou want to help.

I like that solution.

+1 (depending on what was on the other side of the fence and being
able to do the same on the other side so it can get out if it's the
only access way)?

Cheers, T i m

Yes a bit beyond my expertise these days. Many of the things I found on line
were in video form, soar t of as you can see here sort of videos, which I
can't see that is.

How do you decide if an angle grinder man is going to do it right or end
up with two half gravel boards, is there a certificate for angle grinder
users, National certified angle grinding institute or some such?
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On 25/04/2021 12:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence to
make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late as
the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence panels
can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig little tunnels under the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create them?
I
don't really want to try to cut the concrete gravel boards, and then
rejoin
them with brackets or something as for a start it will not last and
secondly
a lump of angle iron on the bottom of the fence will look awful, and rust
way.

Anyone done this after a fence with a cement gravel board is built?
Brian

Yes I do not know that, but I thought that concrete only had strength in
compression anyway, as some of the problems with a Bridge near Wales was
rusting of the tensioned cabling inside concrete beams.
Brian

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If it's the type with rebar inside, exposing it will start that rusting
and eventually crumbling the concrete

Yes but the edges of the hole will crumble over time and the protection will
drop off as folk will never remember to keep an eye on it. Depends where
the bar is, Do you think a metal detector or cable finder might tell us
where they are?
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If it's the type with rebar inside, exposing it will start that rusting
and eventually crumbling the concrete

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Yes, but this is only a word of mouth agreement. His work is excellent
otherwise according to the eyes who have looked at it.
It will save me a lot over my declining years as the old fence needed posts
and rails every year and was going to be far more expensive to do than a new
fence.

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I am sorry that he ****ed it up. Have you already paid him?


I have my own hedgehog nesting place.



On 25/04/2021 12:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence to
make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late as
the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence panels
can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig little tunnels under the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create them?
I
don't really want to try to cut the concrete gravel boards, and then
rejoin
them with brackets or something as for a start it will not last and
secondly
a lump of angle iron on the bottom of the fence will look awful, and rust
way.

Anyone done this after a fence with a cement gravel board is built?
Brian



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Yes I assume if they were used then you would not get a lot of weeds, but
you might also get a lot of other animals widening them as well.

The foxes, I'd say will have no bother climbing over them, they are not
huge, I don't live in stalag 13 with machine guns at each corner!

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Personally I would bother lining them.


....... wouldn't bother lining


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I'll have to think about that. The idea I think here is to re introduce the
Hedgehog again since we have not seen one for over 2 years. Maybe somebody
could teach them that rolling up into a ball on a busy suburban street is
not a good way to avoid cars. Also people need to be very wary when using
strimmers as some Hedgehogs have had legs amputated by them.
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On 25/04/2021 12:50, alan_m wrote:
On 25/04/2021 12:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence to
make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could
not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late as
the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence panels
can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig little tunnels under the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create
them?

That is exactly what the foxes have done around my way to get to the
various gardens even though they can also jump from shed to shed roofs
and use compost daleks as a step.

Personally I would bother lining them.



+1

Foxes dug a hole under the fence twixt me an neighbour so that they
could knock the peanut feeder stand over, but has also been seen
jumping/scrambling over 6 foot panel fences.

Hedgehogs are quite good at climbing, as has been shown on TV
programs about hedgehog highways so making a hole in the panel
above the gravel board would do. Just add a housebrick each side
as a stepping stone ifyou want to help.

You could make a little Ramp I suppose, out of wood, with sp9ikes to push it
into the ground.
Brian

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On 25/04/2021 15:21, Andrew wrote:


Hedgehogs are quite good at climbing, as has been shown on TV
programs about hedgehog highways so making a hole in the panel
above the gravel board would do. Just add a housebrick each side
as a stepping stone ifyou want to help.

I like that solution.

On 26/04/2021 08:52, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I'll have to think about that. The idea I think here is to re introduce the
Hedgehog again since we have not seen one for over 2 years. Maybe somebody
could teach them that rolling up into a ball on a busy suburban street is
not a good way to avoid cars. Also people need to be very wary when using
strimmers as some Hedgehogs have had legs amputated by them.

A friend of mine had four hedgehogs visiting the garden every day.
Towards the start of winter, and over a period of two weeks, three of
them were found very slowly wandering around the lawn during the day,
which is not a good sign. All three were taken to the local hedgehog
rescue centre which was only a five minutes drive from my friend's
house. All died within a day or two. The people running the hedgehog
rescue said that they had many hedgehogs brought in from around the
local area which had died soon afterwards.

My friend will be re-populating the garden if the rescue centre has any
over-wintered hogs that have survived.

I believe that in some areas hedgehogs have evolved to run when caught
out on a road.


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alan_m wrote:

I believe that in some areas hedgehogs have evolved to run when caught
out on a road.

I don't even see squished hedgehogs nowadays, plenty of badgers though.

On 26/04/2021 10:13, Tim Streater wrote:
On 26 Apr 2021 at 10:11:35 BST, Andy Burns wrote:

alan_m wrote:

I believe that in some areas hedgehogs have evolved to run when caught
out on a road.

I don't even see squished hedgehogs nowadays, plenty of badgers though.

Badgers eat hedgehogs.

Then, overcome with Vegan Guilt, they suicide in front of electric cars..

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That was certainly the problem of a bridge in Genoa



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Yes I do not know that, but I thought that concrete only had strength in
compression anyway, as some of the problems with a Bridge near Wales was
rusting of the tensioned cabling inside concrete beams.
Brian

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Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

Yes I assume if they were used then you would not get a lot of weeds, but
you might also get a lot of other animals widening them as well.

The foxes, I'd say will have no bother climbing over them, they are not
huge,

I don't live in stalag 13 with machine guns at each corner!

A likely story. We have the youtube videos...

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On 25/04/2021 12:50, alan_m wrote:


Personally I would bother lining them.


....... wouldn't bother lining


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I'll have to think about that. The idea I think here is to re introduce
the Hedgehog again since we have not seen one for over 2 years. Maybe
somebody could teach them that rolling up into a ball on a busy suburban
street is not a good way to avoid cars. Also people need to be very wary
when using strimmers as some Hedgehogs have had legs amputated by them.

D I M has just burst a blood vessel, again.

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On 25/04/2021 12:50, alan_m wrote:
On 25/04/2021 12:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence to
make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could
not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late as
the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence
panels can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig little tunnels under
the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create
them?

That is exactly what the foxes have done around my way to get to the
various gardens even though they can also jump from shed to shed roofs
and use compost daleks as a step.

Personally I would bother lining them.



+1

Foxes dug a hole under the fence twixt me an neighbour so that they
could knock the peanut feeder stand over, but has also been seen
jumping/scrambling over 6 foot panel fences.

Hedgehogs are quite good at climbing, as has been shown on TV
programs about hedgehog highways so making a hole in the panel
above the gravel board would do. Just add a housebrick each side
as a stepping stone ifyou want to help.

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Yes a bit beyond my expertise these days. Many of the things I found on
line were in video form, soar t of as you can see here sort of videos,
which I can't see that is.

How do you decide if an angle grinder man is going to do it right or end
up with two half gravel boards,

Get at sighted person to see how his previous ones have worked out.

Corse he isnt likely to tell that person about the ones he ****ed up...

is there a certificate for angle grinder users, National certified angle
grinding institute or some such?

Corse there is, and a national certificate of
hedgehog tunnel grinding in new fences too.

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On 25/04/2021 12:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
OK I need some suggestions. I asked the person building my new fence to
make
a couple of hedgehog highways in the base, but he forgot, and I could
not
see this till somebody sighted came around. He says now its too late as
the
concrete Gravel boards are now cemented in, even though the fence panels
can
of course be pulled out. So Should I try to dig little tunnels under
the
concrete about 6 inches deep and line them with something to create
them? I
don't really want to try to cut the concrete gravel boards, and then
rejoin
them with brackets or something as for a start it will not last and
secondly
a lump of angle iron on the bottom of the fence will look awful, and
rust
way.

Anyone done this after a fence with a cement gravel board is built?
Brian

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Pam Ayres wrote a book of hedgehog poems and anecdotes.

Digging out compost heaps with a garden fork is another
problem for hedgehogs.


https://www.waterstones.com/book/the.../9781509881260

Andrew

On 26/04/2021 08:52, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I'll have to think about that. The idea I think here is to re introduce the
Hedgehog again since we have not seen one for over 2 years. Maybe somebody
could teach them that rolling up into a ball on a busy suburban street is
not a good way to avoid cars. Also people need to be very wary when using
strimmers as some Hedgehogs have had legs amputated by them.
Brian

On 26/04/2021 14:39, Andrew wrote:
Pam Ayres wrote a book of hedgehog poems and anecdotes.

Digging out compost heaps with a garden fork is another
problem for hedgehogs.

Definitely. They can't grip the handles very well with their little paws.



https://www.waterstones.com/book/the.../9781509881260


Andrew

On 26/04/2021 08:52, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I'll have to think about that. The idea I think here is to re
introduce the
Hedgehog again since we have not seen one for over 2 years. Maybe
somebody
could teach them that rolling up into a ball on a busy suburban street is
not a good way to avoid cars. AlsoÂ* people need to be very wary when
using
strimmers as some Hedgehogs have had legs amputated by them.
Â* Brian

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alan_m wrote:

I believe that in some areas hedgehogs have evolved to run when
caught out on a road.

I don't even see squished hedgehogs nowadays, plenty of badgers though.

Indeed, although I suspect slug pellets may also have an impact.

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