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On 30/03/2021 14:16, T i m wrote:
On 30 Mar 2021 12:37:13 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 30 Mar 2021 at 11:44:02 BST, T i m wrote:

As I understand it, the vaccine (most vaccines) start building our own
antibodies by exposing them to an inactive version of the target virus
(profile?) in readiness for the real / active virus and it's likely
that it's that load on our bodies that causes some of these reactions?

So assuming it is (and not just an allergic reaction etc) if you don't
have any reaction symptoms at all, could it be you haven't been given
the vaccine ...

If you're not allergic to any component of the jab, then there's no
reason for
your body to do anything except, over a small number of weeks, your
immune
system notices the foreign item and starts priming your T-cells to eat
it up.

So ignoring / discarding any physiological / environmental / unlinked
effects, why do some people seem to suffer quite strong after effects?

The initial part of the trial for vaccines was to test for reactions to
different levels of dose.

I understand that was how AZ came to a conclusion the best efficacy was
from an initial 1/2 dose.

Nope, the initial half dose was accidental, not deliberate.

I guess putting any foreign substance into our body is going to get some
reaction,

Not necessarily. Some produce no reaction.

especially one that is intended to provoke an immune response.

Especially one that deliberately uses an active monkey virus.

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On 30 Mar 2021 12:37:13 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 30 Mar 2021 at 11:44:02 BST, T i m wrote:

As I understand it, the vaccine (most vaccines) start building our own
antibodies by exposing them to an inactive version of the target virus
(profile?) in readiness for the real / active virus and it's likely
that it's that load on our bodies that causes some of these reactions?

So assuming it is (and not just an allergic reaction etc) if you don't
have any reaction symptoms at all, could it be you haven't been given
the vaccine ...

If you're not allergic to any component of the jab, then there's no reason
for
your body to do anything except, over a small number of weeks, your immune
system notices the foreign item and starts priming your T-cells to eat it
up.

So ignoring / discarding any physiological / environmental / unlinked
effects, why do some people seem to suffer quite strong after effects?

The AstraZeneca vaccine uses a monkey virus to get the bits of the
covid virus into the cells. You will inevitably get different reactions
to the monkey virus. There are also other components in what is
injected into you and people's reaction to those varys too.

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On 30/03/2021 13:38, Tim Streater wrote:
On 30 Mar 2021 at 12:04:10 BST, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 11:44:02 +0100, T i m wrote:

In contrast, a mate, his Mrs and their friend all had theirs and all
three suffered ranging reactions from headaches, overall aching to
nausea etc?

It's worth remembering - especially as reporting verges on the hysterical
at times - the placebo effect is very, very real.

I had a mildly aching arm for 24 hours, then nothing more. SWMBO had nothing
at all.

They will have been noting people's reactions during the clinical trials.

With the AZ trials they also used an existing real vaccine in the
placebo group, so that the placebo group would not be made aware they
were in the placebo group due to a lack of any reaction.



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On 30/03/2021 14:01, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 12:38:30 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

On 30 Mar 2021 at 12:04:10 BST, Jethro_uk
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 11:44:02 +0100, T i m wrote:

In contrast, a mate, his Mrs and their friend all had theirs and all
three suffered ranging reactions from headaches, overall aching to
nausea etc?

It's worth remembering - especially as reporting verges on the
hysterical at times - the placebo effect is very, very real.

I had a mildly aching arm for 24 hours, then nothing more. SWMBO had
nothing at all.

They will have been noting people's reactions during the clinical
trials.

I know, I've taken part in clinical trials for money.


people have died doing that. Rare, but it has happened.