https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...very-of-UK-SMR

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it comes
to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been designed by
engineers for low cost mass production, using no new or exciting
technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as
well as potential hydrogen generation.

The cost estimates are encouraging.

3-4 times cheaper on electricity than any renewable, and only twice the
current price of fossil on aviation fuel.

And capital investment in reach of private finance opening the way to
build power stations for the likes of pension fund investors without
needing government financial support.



--
"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...-track-for-203
0-delivery-of-UK-SMR

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it
comes to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been
designed by engineers for low cost mass production, using no new or
exciting technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as
well as potential hydrogen generation.

The cost estimates are encouraging.

3-4 times cheaper on electricity than any renewable, and only twice the
current price of fossil on aviation fuel.

And capital investment in reach of private finance opening the way to
build power stations for the likes of pension fund investors without
needing government financial support.

I'm rather taken with the seismic isolation concept, 1.5 acre concrete
raft on a bed of pebbles!

Cooling water has always seemed to be an issue for siting nuclear power.
Are these small enough to manage with towers and a pond?

--
Tim Lamb

On 12/02/2021 09:12, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...-track-for-203
0-delivery-of-UK-SMR

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it
comes to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been
designed by engineers for low cost mass production,Â* using no new or
exciting technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as
well as potential hydrogen generation.

The cost estimates are encouraging.

3-4 times cheaper on electricity than any renewable, and only twice
the current price of fossil on aviation fuel.

And capital investment in reach of private finance opening the way to
build power stations for the likes of pension fund investors without
needing government financial support.

I'm rather taken with the seismic isolation concept, 1.5 acre concrete
raft on a bed of pebbles!

Cooling water has always seemed to be an issue for siting nuclear power.
Are these small enough to manage with towers and a pond?

I think nukes always were. Seawater is just cheaper.

lets face it if a 1.2GW CCGT can get away with a cooling tower, a 46MW
SMR should be able to.

And of course other options exist. Low grade heat still has value. Think
of undersoil heating for greenhouses nearby.

And they are of course linking it to desalination as well - a nuclear
power station using seawater to cool it and evaporating and condensing
fresh water is a handy thing to have.




--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 12/02/2021 09:12, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...-track-for-203
0-delivery-of-UK-SMR

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it
comes to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been
designed by engineers for low cost mass production, using no new or
exciting technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as
well as potential hydrogen generation.

The cost estimates are encouraging.

3-4 times cheaper on electricity than any renewable, and only twice
the current price of fossil on aviation fuel.

And capital investment in reach of private finance opening the way to
build power stations for the likes of pension fund investors without
needing government financial support.

I'm rather taken with the seismic isolation concept, 1.5 acre concrete
raft on a bed of pebbles!

Cooling water has always seemed to be an issue for siting nuclear
power. Are these small enough to manage with towers and a pond?

I think nukes always were. Seawater is just cheaper.

But it can cause massive corrosion problems


-

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 12/02/2021 11:02, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 12/02/2021 09:12, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...-track-for-203
0-delivery-of-UK-SMR

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it
comes to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been
designed by engineers for low cost mass production, using no new or
exciting technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as
well as potential hydrogen generation.

The cost estimates are encouraging.

3-4 times cheaper on electricity than any renewable, and only twice
the current price of fossil on aviation fuel.

And capital investment in reach of private finance opening the way to
build power stations for the likes of pension fund investors without
needing government financial support.

I'm rather taken with the seismic isolation concept, 1.5 acre concrete
raft on a bed of pebbles!

Cooling water has always seemed to be an issue for siting nuclear
power. Are these small enough to manage with towers and a pond?

I think nukes always were. Seawater is just cheaper.

But it can cause massive corrosion problems

But would only need to pass through the seawater pipes, pumps and
heat-exchangers, with a duty, standby and backup arrangement. As
corrosion takes effect, one can be taken out of service for
replacement/refurbishment, still leaving a duty and standby.

On 12/02/2021 11:02, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 12/02/2021 09:12, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...-track-for-203
0-delivery-of-UK-SMR

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it
comes to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been
designed by engineers for low cost mass production, using no new or
exciting technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as
well as potential hydrogen generation.

The cost estimates are encouraging.

3-4 times cheaper on electricity than any renewable, and only twice
the current price of fossil on aviation fuel.

And capital investment in reach of private finance opening the way to
build power stations for the likes of pension fund investors without
needing government financial support.

I'm rather taken with the seismic isolation concept, 1.5 acre concrete
raft on a bed of pebbles!

Cooling water has always seemed to be an issue for siting nuclear
power. Are these small enough to manage with towers and a pond?

I think nukes always were. Seawater is just cheaper.

But it can cause massive corrosion problems

Mostly that doesn't seem to have been a problem. After all seawater
cooling has been used on steamships since whenever

filters blocked with seaweed seems to be more common



-



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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 12/02/2021 11:02, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 12/02/2021 09:12, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...-track-for-203
0-delivery-of-UK-SMR

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it
comes to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been
designed by engineers for low cost mass production, using no new or
exciting technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as
well as potential hydrogen generation.

The cost estimates are encouraging.

3-4 times cheaper on electricity than any renewable, and only twice
the current price of fossil on aviation fuel.

And capital investment in reach of private finance opening the way to
build power stations for the likes of pension fund investors without
needing government financial support.

I'm rather taken with the seismic isolation concept, 1.5 acre concrete
raft on a bed of pebbles!

Cooling water has always seemed to be an issue for siting nuclear
power. Are these small enough to manage with towers and a pond?

I think nukes always were. Seawater is just cheaper.

But it can cause massive corrosion problems

Which is why titanium has been the preferred material for a long time.
Actually the bigger problem is the mussels and other stuff that likes to
live inside the tubes.

But SMRs make particular sense when located near load centres. Obviously
that includes some coastal sites, but many more decent sized towns are
located on rivers.

The number of years this has been talked about I was surprised it was still
so far in the future. Chances are I might not be here to see it.
I'll be 80 dribbling and thinking its 1956 probably.
Brian

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"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...-track-for-203
0-delivery-of-UK-SMR

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it comes
to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been designed by
engineers for low cost mass production, using no new or exciting
technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as well
as potential hydrogen generation.

The cost estimates are encouraging.

3-4 times cheaper on electricity than any renewable, and only twice the
current price of fossil on aviation fuel.

And capital investment in reach of private finance opening the way to
build power stations for the likes of pension fund investors without
needing government financial support.

I'm rather taken with the seismic isolation concept, 1.5 acre concrete
raft on a bed of pebbles!

Cooling water has always seemed to be an issue for siting nuclear power.
Are these small enough to manage with towers and a pond?

--
Tim Lamb

On 13/02/2021 09:02, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
The number of years this has been talked about I was surprised it was still
so far in the future. Chances are I might not be here to see it.
I'll be 80 dribbling and thinking its 1956 probably.

I presume that you chose 1956 deliberately, for Calder Hall?

On 12/02/2021 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...very-of-UK-SMR


Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it comes
to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been designed by
engineers for low cost mass production,Â* using no new or exciting
technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as
well as potential hydrogen generation.

The cost estimates are encouraging.

3-4 times cheaper on electricity than any renewable, and only twice the
current price of fossil on aviation fuel.

And capital investment in reach of private finance opening the way to
build power stations for the likes of pension fund investors without
needing government financial support.




I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:39 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

;-)

And I wonder how many would want one ITBY, even compared with a solar
farm, wind turbine(s) or a biofuel / gas powered station?

Obviously Turnip would be happy with it in his BY ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 10:56:20 +0000, T i m wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:39 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

;-)

And I wonder how many would want one ITBY, even compared with a solar
farm, wind turbine(s) or a biofuel / gas powered station?


I've got my order in for one. Should power this locality nicely.
Just need a few mods. Not enough room for solar farm, wind turbines
and I don't want more carbons going into the atmosphere - defeats the
objective.


--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

On 12/02/2021 10:56, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:39 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

;-)

And I wonder how many would want one ITBY, even compared with a solar
farm, wind turbine(s) or a biofuel / gas powered station?

Obviously Turnip would be happy with it in his BY ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

We were the first country with large nuclear plant close to urban
centres, with Hartlepool and Heysham. Less harmful than the RTZ smelter
at Avonmouth, which was still operating into the 70's, until medics
started looking at lead levels in children in Shirehampton.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:57:35 +0000, newshound
wrote:

On 12/02/2021 10:56, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:39 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

;-)

And I wonder how many would want one ITBY, even compared with a solar
farm, wind turbine(s) or a biofuel / gas powered station?

Obviously Turnip would be happy with it in his BY ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

We were the first country with large nuclear plant close to urban
centres, with Hartlepool and Heysham. Less harmful than the RTZ smelter
at Avonmouth, which was still operating into the 70's, until medics
started looking at lead levels in children in Shirehampton.

So, you wouldn't mind one IYBY then?

Cheers, T i m

On 12/02/2021 22:15, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:57:35 +0000, newshound
wrote:

On 12/02/2021 10:56, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:39 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

;-)

And I wonder how many would want one ITBY, even compared with a solar
farm, wind turbine(s) or a biofuel / gas powered station?

Obviously Turnip would be happy with it in his BY ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

We were the first country with large nuclear plant close to urban
centres, with Hartlepool and Heysham. Less harmful than the RTZ smelter
at Avonmouth, which was still operating into the 70's, until medics
started looking at lead levels in children in Shirehampton.

So, you wouldn't mind one IYBY then?

Cheers, T i m

Not in the least. I spent nearly 20 years with two dominating the view
out of my office window.

In article , T i m
scribeth thus
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:39 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

;-)

And I wonder how many would want one ITBY, even compared with a solar
farm, wind turbine(s) or a biofuel / gas powered station?

Obviously Turnip would be happy with it in his BY ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m


We've got the River Cam here, do fine in my backyard perhaps i can
"mind" it for them

Got a new railway coming too, all good backyard stuff!
--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

On 12/02/2021 21:40, tony sayer wrote:
In article , T i m
scribeth thus
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:39 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

;-)

And I wonder how many would want one ITBY, even compared with a solar
farm, wind turbine(s) or a biofuel / gas powered station?

Obviously Turnip would be happy with it in his BY ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m


We've got the River Cam here, do fine in my backyard perhaps i can
"mind" it for them

Got a new railway coming too, all good backyard stuff!

I cant see any reason why *anyone* would object, frankly.

3MI was bang in the middle of habited area and no pone died or was even
evacuated.

No one died or needed to be evacuated at Fukushima - ir was all green
inspired panic.


--
€œA leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
€œWe did this ourselves.€�

ۥ Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

On 12/02/2021 14:16, Tim Streater wrote:
On 12 Feb 2021 at 10:56:20 GMT, T r o l l wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:39 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

;-)

And I wonder how many would want one ITBY, even compared with a solar
farm, wind turbine(s) or a biofuel / gas powered station?

Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together.

Absolutely. We've got ugly as **** windmills and solar farms and a
nuclear power station all within 50 miles and the only one I'd live near
is Sizewell B. Quiet, invisible except from the beach, and safer than
living near a wind turbine


Solar farm - doesn't work much in winter, or at night all year round.
Wind turbine - ****ing noisy if you're near it, doesn't produce much and often
none at all.
Others - no gas to this village.




--
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:50:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/02/2021 14:16, Tim Streater wrote:
On 12 Feb 2021 at 10:56:20 GMT, T r o l l wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:39 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

;-)

And I wonder how many would want one ITBY, even compared with a solar
farm, wind turbine(s) or a biofuel / gas powered station?

Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together.

Oh dear, the literal left brainer has been whooshed again. ;-(

Absolutely. We've got ugly as **** windmillsand solar farms and a
nuclear power station all within 50 miles and the only one I'd live near
is Sizewell B.

Of course you would.

Quiet, invisible except from the beach, and safer than
living near a wind turbine

Safer than living as near a nuke?


Solar farm - doesn't work much in winter, or at night all year round.

But could with additional storage and doesn't melt down and pollute
the surrounding environment for thousands of years:

Wind turbine - ****ing noisy if you're near it, doesn't produce much and often
none at all.

See above re storage and don't melt down and pollute the surrounding
environment for thousands of years:

Others - no gas to this village.

Ah, an ideal place to put a nuke then, especially for everyone else.

Cheers, T i m

On 12/02/2021 22:14, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:50:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 12/02/2021 14:16, Tim Streater wrote:
On 12 Feb 2021 at 10:56:20 GMT, T r o l l wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:54:39 +0000, GB
wrote:

snip

I was taken with his choice of words: "we believe that nuclear power can
really mushroom".

;-)

And I wonder how many would want one ITBY, even compared with a solar
farm, wind turbine(s) or a biofuel / gas powered station?

Anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together.

Oh dear, the literal left brainer has been whooshed again. ;-(

Does that mean you don't understand the question posed?

Absolutely. We've got ugly as **** windmillsand solar farms and a
nuclear power station all within 50 miles and the only one I'd live near
is Sizewell B.

Of course you would.

As would many others.

Quiet, invisible except from the beach, and safer than
living near a wind turbine

Safer than living as near a nuke?

Given the number killed or injured it's very likely.

Solar farm - doesn't work much in winter, or at night all year round.

But could with additional storage and doesn't melt down and pollute
the surrounding environment for thousands of years:

What additional storage? More batteries consuming the rare element
Lithium? Or did you have some other storagein mind?

Wind turbine - ****ing noisy if you're near it, doesn't produce much and often
none at all.

See above re storage and don't melt down and pollute the surrounding
environment for thousands of years:

They do fail in spectacular ways. Only if you place large nukes near
oceans with a history of tsunamis or known safety flaws.

Others - no gas to this village.

Ah, an ideal place to put a nuke then, especially for everyone else.

Clean energy, why not. Certainly less CO2 than all your 'green' energy
and far more reliable. No need to wait for the sun to rise and the wind
to blow.

On 12/02/2021 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...very-of-UK-SMR


Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it comes
to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been designed by
engineers for low cost mass production,Â* using no new or exciting
technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as
well as potential hydrogen generation.


You've come around to the idea of hydrogen generation?

On 12/02/2021 12:01, Pancho wrote:
On 12/02/2021 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...very-of-UK-SMR


Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations, have completed feasibility studies on what will be if it
comes to pass, the first reactor design in Britain to have been
designed by engineers for low cost mass production,Â* using no new or
exciting technology, just doing well known stuff better and cheaper.

interestingly they address the issue of synthetic hydrocarbon fuel as
well as potential hydrogen generation.


You've come around to the idea of hydrogen generation?

No, I think it is a **** idea. But its fashionable among Art Students
Gimme synJet any day run my car and my central heating on that.


--
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

ۥ Confucius

On 12/02/2021 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations...

Art Students to Nuclear Engineer: "OK, smart guy, /you/ tell /us/ what
colour it should be!"

--
Spike

On 19/02/2021 09:06, Spike wrote:
On 12/02/2021 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations...

Art Students to Nuclear Engineer: "OK, smart guy, /you/ tell /us/ what
colour it should be!"

You've been reading Douglas Adams.

On 19/02/2021 12:24, Steve Walker wrote:
On 19/02/2021 09:06, Spike wrote:
On 12/02/2021 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations...

Art Students to Nuclear Engineer: "OK, smart guy, /you/ tell /us/ what
colour it should be!"

You've been reading Douglas Adams.

Somewhat far-seeing, wasn't he!

--
Spike

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writes
On 19/02/2021 12:24, Steve Walker wrote:
You've been reading Douglas Adams.

Somewhat far-seeing, wasn't he!


In so many ways.

Adrian
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On 19/02/2021 09:06, Spike wrote:
On 12/02/2021 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations...

Art Students to Nuclear Engineer: "OK, smart guy, /you/ tell /us/ what
colour it should be!"


"Oh, stick it up your nose"

"That's just it, do we need SMR that can be inserted nasally"

--
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On 19/02/2021 12:56, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 19/02/2021 09:06, Spike wrote:
On 12/02/2021 08:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Rolls Royce, who uniquely do not employ Art Students to design power
stations...

Art Students to Nuclear Engineer: "OK, smart guy, /you/ tell /us/ what
colour it should be!"


"Oh, stick it up your nose"

"That's just it, do we need SMR that can be inserted nasally"

Excellent, a simple and unobtrusive way to keep your nose warm on a
winter's day!

No-one will notice and if they do, I'll just wrap a towel over my eyes
and no-one will see me.

Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these around
the parts of the world that need water and consider the electricity a
handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

On 12/02/2021 11:24, Andy Burns wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these around
the parts of the world that need water and consider the electricity a
handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

Actually no.

the waste heat does that.

Boil some seawater, channel the steam through a condenser (cooled by
more seawater) and voilÃ*! - fresh water

You would probably build it just for that, since steam is what comes out
of a PWR.

--
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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 12/02/2021 14:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/02/2021 11:24, Andy Burns wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these
around
the parts of the world that need water and consider the electricity a
handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

Actually no.

the waste heat does that.

Boil some seawater, channel the steam through a condenser (cooled by
more seawater) and voilÃ*! - fresh water

You would probably build it just for that, since steam is what comes out
of a PWR.

I havn't seen any sums for that. IIRC reverse osmosis is remarkably
low-energy and low capital cost compared to distillation.

On 12/02/2021 21:00, newshound wrote:
On 12/02/2021 14:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/02/2021 11:24, Andy Burns wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these
around
the parts of the world that need water and consider the electricity a
handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

Actually no.

the waste heat does that.

Boil some seawater, channel the steam through a condenser (cooled by
more seawater) and voilÃ*! - fresh water

You would probably build it just for that, since steam is what comes
out of a PWR.

I havn't seen any sums for that. IIRC reverse osmosis is remarkably
low-energy and low capital cost compared to distillation.

You might think so, but if you have oodles of low grade heat it might
become cost effective.

I heard it was a high energy process. Either way lower than distillation.

On 12/02/2021 23:57, Fredxx wrote:
On 12/02/2021 21:00, newshound wrote:
On 12/02/2021 14:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/02/2021 11:24, Andy Burns wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these
around
the parts of the world that need water and consider the electricity a
handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

Actually no.

the waste heat does that.

Boil some seawater, channel the steam through a condenser (cooled by
more seawater) and voilÃ*! - fresh water

You would probably build it just for that, since steam is what comes
out of a PWR.

I havn't seen any sums for that. IIRC reverse osmosis is remarkably
low-energy and low capital cost compared to distillation.

You might think so, but if you have oodles of low grade heat it might
become cost effective.

I heard it was a high energy process. Either way lower than distillation.

Sorry, just can't see it. Not sure I can even see a large scale solar
still with photovoltaic pumps working for coastal deserts. Otherwise
someone would be doing it.

Your low grade heat from a power station operated in the usual way isn't
going to evaporate water quickly. Then you need massive condensers to
collect it, pumping seawater through them to keep them cool with the
associated pumping and pipe friction losses.

In a combined electricity/desalination plant it *might* make sense to
take bled steam from the HP turbine outlet to do the evaporating, this
still has a decent energy density so your plant volume (and hence
capital cost) is lower for a given throughput.

On 12/02/2021 11:34, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:24:42 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these
around the parts of the world that need water and consider the
electricity a handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

Humour fail

Although, come to think of it, no. Well, not necessarily.

Nuclear reactor. Shedloads of serious heat (i.e. 100C) might as well
just distil the seawater. Unless you want to extract metals by
electrolysis I guess ?

It is possible to reclaim desert (or so I have been told) if you can
irrigate and foliate enough area to start releasing water. Although it
has to be *very* big.


AIUI the mainly use reverse osmosis, not distilation.

On 12/02/2021 11:34, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:24:42 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these
around the parts of the world that need water and consider the
electricity a handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

Humour fail

Although, come to think of it, no. Well, not necessarily.

Nuclear reactor. Shedloads of serious heat (i.e. 100C) might as well
just distil the seawater. Unless you want to extract metals by
electrolysis I guess ?

It is possible to reclaim desert (or so I have been told) if you can
irrigate and foliate enough area to start releasing water. Although it
has to be *very* big.

Most deserts I have known will grow anything as long as you add water.


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On 12/02/2021 11:34, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:24:42 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these
around the parts of the world that need water and consider the
electricity a handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

Humour fail

Although, come to think of it, no. Well, not necessarily.

Nuclear reactor. Shedloads of serious heat (i.e. 100C) might as well
just distil the seawater. Unless you want to extract metals by
electrolysis I guess ?

It is possible to reclaim desert (or so I have been told) if you can
irrigate and foliate enough area to start releasing water. Although it
has to be *very* big.

Most deserts I have known will grow anything as long as you add water.

And hydroponics just need something for the roots to
grow in, even scoria and fibreglass insulation work fine.

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Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:24:42 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these
around the parts of the world that need water and consider the
electricity a handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

Humour fail

Although, come to think of it, no. Well, not necessarily.

Nuclear reactor. Shedloads of serious heat (i.e. 100C) might as well
just distil the seawater. Unless you want to extract metals by
electrolysis I guess ?

It is possible to reclaim desert (or so I have been told) if you can
irrigate and foliate enough area to start releasing water. Although it
has to be *very* big.


The original way salt was extracted from sea water was by natural
evaporation but that was to collect the salt. In theory you could probably
use the heat from the cooling system to power a still and collect the fresh
water and possibly the salt and other solids. Whether it would be economic
to process the solids further I dont know. Previously work was done on
extracting various this from sea water including gold but it wasnt
economic. Gibraltar has or had a desalination plant.

In article ,
Radio Man wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:24:42 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these
around the parts of the world that need water and consider the
electricity a handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

Humour fail

Although, come to think of it, no. Well, not necessarily.

Nuclear reactor. Shedloads of serious heat (i.e. 100C) might as well
just distil the seawater. Unless you want to extract metals by
electrolysis I guess ?

It is possible to reclaim desert (or so I have been told) if you can
irrigate and foliate enough area to start releasing water. Although it
has to be *very* big.


The original way salt was extracted from sea water was by natural
evaporation but that was to collect the salt.

In general, it relied on heat from wood or coal fires.

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In article ,
Radio Man wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:24:42 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Jethro_uk wrote:

Especially the possibility for desalination - plonk a few of these
around the parts of the world that need water and consider the
electricity a handy by product

Isn't the electricity /used/ to do the desalination?

Humour fail

Although, come to think of it, no. Well, not necessarily.

Nuclear reactor. Shedloads of serious heat (i.e. 100C) might as well
just distil the seawater. Unless you want to extract metals by
electrolysis I guess ?

It is possible to reclaim desert (or so I have been told) if you can
irrigate and foliate enough area to start releasing water. Although it
has to be *very* big.


The original way salt was extracted from sea water was by natural
evaporation but that was to collect the salt.

In general, it relied on heat from wood or coal fires.

Nope, he's right, it was by natural evaporation in big salt pans.