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So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. |
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On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote:
Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. Do you know if the hard disc drive is a RLL or a MFM or IDE interface? If its IDE, you can get IDE to USB adepters..... like this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SATA-PATA...8440f5e9618c83 Do you know if you can swap the 5.25 inch internal drive for a 3.5 inch internal drive? if you can, you can use a set of 3.5 inch floppies to copy the data to and then use a USB based external 3.5 inch floppy disc drive like this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/27416181431...f17c870d162afb |
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On 06/09/2020 22:48, No Name wrote:
On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote: Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. Do you know if the hard disc drive is a RLL or a MFM or IDE interface? If its IDE, you can get IDE to USB adepters..... like this one: It's an ST506 interface using MFM. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SATA-PATA...8440f5e9618c83 Do you know if you can swap the 5.25 inch internal drive for a 3.5 inch internal drive?Â*Â* if you can, you can use a set of 3.5 inch floppies to copy the data to and then use a USB based external 3.5 inch floppy disc drive like this one: I haven't got a 3.5" with the same connectors. https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/27416181431...f17c870d162afb |
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On Sunday, 6 September 2020 22:52:55 UTC+1, Grumps wrote:
On 06/09/2020 22:48, No Name wrote: On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote: Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. Laplink was standard fare in the win 3.1 days. Do you know if the hard disc drive is a RLL or a MFM or IDE interface? If its IDE, you can get IDE to USB adepters..... like this one: It's an ST506 interface using MFM. oh boy. NT |
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Grumps wrote:
On 06/09/2020 22:48, No Name wrote: On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote: Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. Do you know if the hard disc drive is a RLL or a MFM or IDE interface? If its IDE, you can get IDE to USB adepters..... like this one: It's an ST506 interface using MFM. Good luck with the drive. It's like a floppy drive in terms of control concepts. But obviously, the signal coming off the head, isn't nearly the same. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ST506/ST412 "drive was derived from the Shugart Associates SA1000 interface, [4] which was in turn based upon the floppy disk drive interface, [5] thereby making disk controller design relatively easy." http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/shugart...nual_Dec80.pdf ******* You'll be using serial port. Good luck getting a program onto the old machine. Kermit is now licensed under a BSD license (as part of being abandonware). http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/index.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cable.html ******* Google isn't of much use these days, so don't expect help. I tried to see if any parallel port recipes were floating about, but don't see any. You could put parallel ports on PCI Express machines. I have a card with an OxSemi chip on it, which is a perfect little parallel port card. But OxSemi was bought out and crushed, so no more cards. There are still various cards available, but the foreign maker is a mystery. I don't know if the remaining cards are as flexible or not. The OxSemi card shows up in I/O Space, if your OS is crusty enough and needs that. Paul |
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On 06/09/2020 22:52, Grumps wrote:
On 06/09/2020 22:48, No Name wrote: On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote: Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. Do you know if the hard disc drive is a RLL or a MFM or IDE interface? If its IDE, you can get IDE to USB adepters..... like this one: It's an ST506 interface using MFM. Many Amstrads had the HDD installed in a "hard card" arrangement - i.e. an ISA card with disk controller and space to mount the physical drive on the card. If yours is like that, then an intermediate stage would be to find a machine with ISA slots and stick the card in there, then copy directly to some other storage medium. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SATA-PATA...8440f5e9618c83 Do you know if you can swap the 5.25 inch internal drive for a 3.5 inch internal drive?Â*Â* if you can, you can use a set of 3.5 inch floppies to copy the data to and then use a USB based external 3.5 inch floppy disc drive like this one: I haven't got a 3.5" with the same connectors. 3.5" drives have different connectors - however all you need is a cable with the appropriate ones on (many at one time had a pair of 5.25" connectors and a pair of 3.5" ones). You can even crimp a 3.5" style IDC header onto an existing 5.25" style drive cable. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote:
Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. (note I have not tried this, but it sounds plausible!) You could use Rufus[1] To build a USB DOS boot disk, and then run a suitable version of laplink for the era (e.g. Laplink III/IV/Pro) on a modern machine. [1] http://rufus.akeo.ie/ or, (and I have tried this) a bit of serial comms software on the old machine (like Telix / QuickLink2), and something that can run ZModem on the modern one (Like PuTTY, with the ExtraPutty add on that gives it Zmodem compatibility). The just upload files from one, and download on the other. (let me know if you need the software) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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My best guess here is that if the drive is IDE, get a usb to IDE dongle and
psu, and do it that way. I'm fairly certain that windows 10 can still read old fat discs, as many ram sticks come formatted that way. You may need to move a jumper on the hard drive if you want to see the drive, Otherwise, I'd not hold out much hope. I guess you could if they exist or can exist, on floppies do the same trick with a floppy drive on the win 10 machine, but they may be too big and you may also lose the will to live. Another thing is, what is the format of these files? If its really old works or something like that, I'm not sure if there is any way to open them these days. Brian -- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Grumps" wrote in message ... Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. |
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On 07/09/2020 02:25, John Rumm wrote:
On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote: Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. (note I have not tried this, but it sounds plausible!) You could use Rufus[1] To build a USB DOS boot disk, and then run a suitable version of laplink for the era (e.g. Laplink III/IV/Pro) on a modern machine. [1] http://rufus.akeo.ie/ or, (and I have tried this) a bit of serial comms software on the old machine (like Telix / QuickLink2), and something that can run ZModem on the modern one (Like PuTTY, with the ExtraPutty add on that gives it Zmodem compatibility). The just upload files from one, and download on the other. +1 Basically a terminal emulator on each end with an error correction protocol on top for file transfer. Set it off and leave to run. You might have to buy a USB to serial port adapter for the modern machine though since most no longer support legacy IO. I know that some of these are more equal than others if your hardware uses any funny tricks on the various control lines. Another option would be to read the 5 1/4" floppies on a machine of intermediate age that also have a 3.5" or USB capability. (let me know if you need the software) -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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John Rumm wrote:
serial comms software on the old machine (like Telix / QuickLink2), and something that can run ZModem on the modern one (Like PuTTY, with the ExtraPutty add on that gives it Zmodem compatibility). The just upload files from one, and download on the other. I can't remember if procomm/telix/etc can do a recursive copy of a whole drive in one go, but kermit can .. |
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On 07/09/2020 09:36, Andy Burns wrote:
John Rumm wrote: serial comms software on the old machine (like Telix / QuickLink2), and something that can run ZModem on the modern one (Like PuTTY, with the ExtraPutty add on that gives it Zmodem compatibility). The just upload files from one, and download on the other. I can't remember if procomm/telix/etc can do a recursive copy of a whole drive in one go, but kermit can .. But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? -- Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill |
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But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? Ask nicely someone who's got a machine with a 5¼" floppy drive. |
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On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote:
Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. So a huge hard disk! I would install the FlashFloppy software on a GoTek drive. Pop it in instead of the 5.25" floppy and then you can create floppy images on with the stuff on the hard disk. If you have serial ports on both machines you could use the old Phil Karns KA9Q or NET software to make an FTP link but then you would probably need the flash floppy to get the software onto the PC1512. Dave |
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On 07/09/2020 08:30, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I seem to recall that the Amstrads had the ability to use ide drives, so if you have an old one lying about, copy to that then use that to do the attach to the newer machine. Other than that, I seem to recall dos had a terminal program that could emulate xmodem. If you got a usb to serial adaptor, I'd have though a more modern terminal and an old null modem lead might work albeit slowly. Brian Or one of these: https://www.lo-tech.co.uk/wiki/Lo-tech_ISA_USB_Adapter |
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On 07/09/2020 10:23, David Wade wrote:
On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote: Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. So a huge hard disk! I would install the FlashFloppy software on a GoTek drive. Pop it in instead of the 5.25" floppy and then you can create floppy images on with the stuff on the hard disk. If you have serial ports on both machines you could use the old Phil Karns KA9Q or NET software to make an FTP link but then you would probably need the flash floppy to get the software onto the PC1512. Dave Or see if you can find some one local with a machine.... .... and of course none of the software on a PC1512 will work on a 64-bit windows/10 machine. You will need DOSBOX and possible Windows/3 or some other 16-bit emulation environment. If its GEM apps you will need this http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads-gemworld.htm let me know where you are... Dave |
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On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote:
So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! You might manage something with Kermit instead of laplink. This provides transport-independent file-transfer software via serial ports for a wide variety of hardware platforms. A copy of MS-DOS Kermit on the Amstrad should be able to talk to Kermit 95 running on Windows 10. Your challenge would be to find some way of putting a downloaded copy of MS-DOS Kermit on to a suitable floppy compatible with the Amstrad. http://www.kermitproject.org/index.html http://www.kermitproject.org/mskermit.html http://www.kermitproject.org/k95.html |
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On Monday, 7 September 2020 11:35:46 UTC+1, Mike Clarke wrote:
On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote: So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! You might manage something with Kermit instead of laplink. This provides transport-independent file-transfer software via serial ports for a wide variety of hardware platforms. A copy of MS-DOS Kermit on the Amstrad should be able to talk to Kermit 95 running on Windows 10. Your challenge would be to find some way of putting a downloaded copy of MS-DOS Kermit on to a suitable floppy compatible with the Amstrad. http://www.kermitproject.org/index.html http://www.kermitproject.org/mskermit.html http://www.kermitproject.org/k95.html when I moved to pc years ago I found no software to read the file format, and used a text extractor to get everything in plain text. The source machine claimed to be able to convert its files to pc format for export, but when time came to do so it turned out it couldn't. NT |
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On 07/09/2020 09:45, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? Ask nicely someone who's got a machine with a 5¼" floppy drive. Who could then read thw 15i2 floppirs ANYWAY...? -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat |
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Grumps wrote:
Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. You could try another approach. Instal VBox. This allows you to host another OS on, in say, Win 10. Use VBox install an old dos (eg 3.3) but with a shared drive on Win 10 machine. Install lap link on the VBox dos machine. Link the machines, transfer your files, pop them in the shared drive, where your Win 10 machine has access. VBox is free. |
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On Mon, 07 Sep 2020 13:12:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/09/2020 09:45, Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? Ask nicely someone who's got a machine with a 5¼" floppy drive. Who could then read thw 15i2 floppirs ANYWAY...? Programming the 8272 is great fun. I've done it. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 07/09/2020 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/09/2020 09:45, Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? Ask nicely someone who's got a machine with a 5¼" floppy drive. Who could then read thw 15i2 floppirs ANYWAY...? On DOS Simtel archive the Sydex driver could read and write most 5.25" floppy disk formats that use constant rotation speed. One of them even had a table of settings for comman machines if memory serves. I think it was ANADISK or maybe 22DSK (mostly for CPM disks). http://cd.textfiles.com/simtel/simte...TL/.index.html I have certainly used that software to customise drivers for getting stuff off ancient CPM and Oliivetti word processors in the distant past. I have no idea if they are still selling the paid for version... RS232 interconnection is still probably the simplest way out. (simplest way might be copy files to a none existent dumb RS232 printer and capture the whole lot at the other end with a terminal emulator) You lose the robustness of error correction this way but the modern PC should be plenty fast enough to keep up. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 07/09/2020 08:33, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
But what happens in the old software on the new machine about the disc format being ntfs? Save it to the DOS boot disk (which will be FAT format), when done, reboot into win 10, and copy to the internal drive. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 07/09/2020 09:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/09/2020 09:36, Andy Burns wrote: John Rumm wrote: serial comms software on the old machine (like Telix / QuickLink2), and something that can run ZModem on the modern one (Like PuTTY, with the ExtraPutty add on that gives it Zmodem compatibility). The just upload files from one, and download on the other. I can't remember if procomm/telix/etc can do a recursive copy of a whole drive in one go, but kermit can .. But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? One advantage of going the laplink option is that it allows remote install so you run it on the new machine, then send it via the serial link to the old one. Failing that there may already be some serial comms software on the Amstrad. Otherwise, you will need to stick it on a floppy. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 07/09/2020 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/09/2020 09:45, Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? Ask nicely someone who's got a machine with a 5¼" floppy drive. Who could then read thw 15i2 floppirs ANYWAY...? IIRC PC1512 PCs used standard 5.25" DD (or in some cases HD) disk with FAT - so ideally a (more) modern machine with a 5.25" drive. Or add a 3.5" disk to the amstrad as previously discussed. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 07/09/2020 14:34, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/09/2020 09:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 07/09/2020 09:36, Andy Burns wrote: John Rumm wrote: serial comms software on the old machine (like Telix / QuickLink2), and something that can run ZModem on the modern one (Like PuTTY, with the ExtraPutty add on that gives it Zmodem compatibility). The just upload files from one, and download on the other. I can't remember if procomm/telix/etc can do a recursive copy of a whole drive in one go, but kermit can .. But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? One advantage of going the laplink option is that it allows remote install so you run it on the new machine, then send it via the serial link to the old one. Here is the full procedure including links to download a suitable version of laplink, and instructions for running the new end in DOSBox rather than using a DOS boot image directly: http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/tran...3/laplink3.htm -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 07/09/2020 11:45, wrote:
On Monday, 7 September 2020 11:35:46 UTC+1, Mike Clarke wrote: On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote: So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! You might manage something with Kermit instead of laplink. This provides transport-independent file-transfer software via serial ports for a wide variety of hardware platforms. A copy of MS-DOS Kermit on the Amstrad should be able to talk to Kermit 95 running on Windows 10. Your challenge would be to find some way of putting a downloaded copy of MS-DOS Kermit on to a suitable floppy compatible with the Amstrad. http://www.kermitproject.org/index.html http://www.kermitproject.org/mskermit.html http://www.kermitproject.org/k95.html when I moved to pc years ago I found no software to read the file format, and used a text extractor to get everything in plain text. The source machine claimed to be able to convert its files to pc format for export, but when time came to do so it turned out it couldn't. A PC1512 *is* a PC - very cheap and cost reduced in true Amstrad style - but a PC none the less. (not to be confused with the 8256 and 8512 Z80 CP/M based word processors with their "odd" 3" disks, or the home computer CPC range of machines) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? Ask nicely someone who's got a machine with a 5¼" floppy drive. Who could then read thw 15i2 floppirs ANYWAY...? bit tedious copying 20MB via 360kB floppies you could send kermit over the serial ports, copy /b kermit.exe com1: except I think on the receiving size ^Z characters in the file will **** it up, write a bin2hex program on the modern PC, transfer the kermit.hex as ASCII, then use GW/QBASIC on the ancient PC to convert it back to binary? |
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On 07/09/2020 14:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/09/2020 14:34, John Rumm wrote: On 07/09/2020 09:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 07/09/2020 09:36, Andy Burns wrote: John Rumm wrote: serial comms software on the old machine (like Telix / QuickLink2), and something that can run ZModem on the modern one (Like PuTTY, with the ExtraPutty add on that gives it Zmodem compatibility). The just upload files from one, and download on the other. I can't remember if procomm/telix/etc can do a recursive copy of a whole drive in one go, but kermit can .. But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? One advantage of going the laplink option is that it allows remote install so you run it on the new machine, then send it via the serial link to the old one. Here is the full procedure including links to download a suitable version of laplink, and instructions for running the new end in DOSBox rather than using a DOS boot image directly: http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/tran...3/laplink3.htm Thanks for that link. The old PC has Laplink already. |
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On 07/09/2020 13:24, Radio Man wrote:
Grumps wrote: Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. You could try another approach. Instal VBox. This allows you to host another OS on, in say, Win 10. Use VBox install an old dos (eg 3.3) but with a shared drive on Win 10 machine. Install lap link on the VBox dos machine. Link the machines, transfer your files, pop them in the shared drive, where your Win 10 machine has access. VBox is free. Thanks. Interesting. And thanks to everyone else and your comments. |
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On 07/09/2020 08:30, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I seem to recall that the Amstrads had the ability to use ide drives, so if you have an old one lying about, copy to that then use that to do the attach to the newer machine. You could certainly add a multi io card to an ISA slot and get an IDE interface that way. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 07/09/2020 15:02, Grumps wrote:
On 07/09/2020 14:40, John Rumm wrote: On 07/09/2020 14:34, John Rumm wrote: On 07/09/2020 09:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 07/09/2020 09:36, Andy Burns wrote: John Rumm wrote: serial comms software on the old machine (like Telix / QuickLink2), and something that can run ZModem on the modern one (Like PuTTY, with the ExtraPutty add on that gives it Zmodem compatibility). The just upload files from one, and download on the other. I can't remember if procomm/telix/etc can do a recursive copy of a whole drive in one go, but kermit can .. But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? One advantage of going the laplink option is that it allows remote install so you run it on the new machine, then send it via the serial link to the old one. Here is the full procedure including links to download a suitable version of laplink, and instructions for running the new end in DOSBox rather than using a DOS boot image directly: http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/tran...3/laplink3.htm Thanks for that link. The old PC has Laplink already. Easy then - you could even send that to the virtual new one using the same process. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 07/09/2020 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/09/2020 09:45, Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? Ask nicely someone who's got a machine with a 5¼" floppy drive. Who could then read thw 15i2 floppirs ANYWAY...? I wonder if one of these https://www.recycledgoods.com/teac-f...-floppy-drive/ with a universal floppy drive cable http://www.nullmodem.com/images/fddcable02.jpg Would then get the data onto 3.5inch floppies which with a USB to floppy drive would then be readable on the modern PC such as https://www.lindy.co.uk/images/usb-f...-2475_zoom.jpg |
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On 07/09/2020 15:15, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/09/2020 15:02, Grumps wrote: On 07/09/2020 14:40, John Rumm wrote: On 07/09/2020 14:34, John Rumm wrote: On 07/09/2020 09:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 07/09/2020 09:36, Andy Burns wrote: John Rumm wrote: serial comms software on the old machine (like Telix / QuickLink2), and something that can run ZModem on the modern one (Like PuTTY, with the ExtraPutty add on that gives it Zmodem compatibility). The just upload files from one, and download on the other. I can't remember if procomm/telix/etc can do a recursive copy of a whole drive in one go, but kermit can .. But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? One advantage of going the laplink option is that it allows remote install so you run it on the new machine, then send it via the serial link to the old one. Here is the full procedure including links to download a suitable version of laplink, and instructions for running the new end in DOSBox rather than using a DOS boot image directly: http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/tran...3/laplink3.htm Thanks for that link. The old PC has Laplink already. Easy then - you could even send that to the virtual new one using the same process. Goodness me, apparently PCI-e cards with both serial ports and a printer port exists! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Port-RS....c100005.m1851 So buy one of these for the modern PC if it has no serial or parallel ports. You can get PCI equivalents.... S. |
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On 07/09/2020 16:51, No Name wrote:
On 07/09/2020 15:15, John Rumm wrote: On 07/09/2020 15:02, Grumps wrote: On 07/09/2020 14:40, John Rumm wrote: On 07/09/2020 14:34, John Rumm wrote: On 07/09/2020 09:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 07/09/2020 09:36, Andy Burns wrote: John Rumm wrote: serial comms software on the old machine (like Telix / QuickLink2), and something that can run ZModem on the modern one (Like PuTTY, with the ExtraPutty add on that gives it Zmodem compatibility). The just upload files from one, and download on the other. I can't remember if procomm/telix/etc can do a recursive copy of a whole drive in one go, but kermit can .. But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? One advantage of going the laplink option is that it allows remote install so you run it on the new machine, then send it via the serial link to the old one. Here is the full procedure including links to download a suitable version of laplink, and instructions for running the new end in DOSBox rather than using a DOS boot image directly: http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/tran...3/laplink3.htm Thanks for that link. The old PC has Laplink already. Easy then - you could even send that to the virtual new one using the same process. Goodness me, apparently PCI-e cards with both serial ports and a printer port exists! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Port-RS....c100005.m1851 So buy one of these for the modern PC if it has no serial or parallel ports. You can get PCI equivalents.... You can also get USB to RS232 adaptors (that work sometimes!) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 07/09/2020 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/09/2020 09:45, Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? Ask nicely someone who's got a machine with a 5¼" floppy drive. Who could then read thw 15i2 floppirs ANYWAY...? PC1512 5¼" drives were standard IBM double sided 9 sector disks with 360kB capacity. |
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On 07/09/2020 14:56, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? Ask nicely someone who's got a machine with a 5¼" floppy drive. Who could then read thw 15i2 floppirs ANYWAY...? bit tedious copying 20MB via 360kB floppies you could send kermit over the serial ports, copy /b kermit.exe com1: except I think on the receiving size ^Z characters in the file will **** it up, write a bin2hex program on the modern PC, transfer the kermit.hex as ASCII, then use GW/QBASIC on the ancient PC to convert it back to binary? That's the kind of thing I'd do. |
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On 06/09/2020 22:48, No Name wrote:
On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote: Hi So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! Ta. Do you know if the hard disc drive is a RLL or a MFM or IDE interface? The original 1512 came with a Xebec 20MB MFM drive and a proprietary controller card. It made a strange "whoop whoop" noise when the head was stepping between tracks. Many 1512 were bought with only twin floppies and a hard card was the popular upgrade option. This was a normally a Western Digital WD1003 and a 20MB MFM 3.5in drive on a frame that was full length. Later versions were 32MB RLL. When 40MB discs were available typically you had 2x 20MB dirves, C: and D: Then the floodgates opened and disc capacity increased exponentially. The hard disc controllers had a few jumpers that set the capacity. If you had a bigger disc than the controller understood you used have a 2-3MB partition that contained DOS and soft disc controller program that would allow bigger disks. I used one with a Newbury Data 60Mb Penny drive on a 1512. |
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On Monday, 7 September 2020 14:42:48 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/09/2020 11:45, tabbypurr wrote: On Monday, 7 September 2020 11:35:46 UTC+1, Mike Clarke wrote: On 06/09/2020 22:34, Grumps wrote: So I have a really old Amstrad PC1512 with 20MB HDD. There are files that I'd like to retrieve into a more modern environment - Win10. The old PC has a 5 1/4" floppy, a serial port, and a parallel port. The old PC also has Laplink v3.00a. Is there anything that'll run on a Win10 PC that is compatible with Laplink? Laplink themselves just told me (online chat) that the older machine has to be Win7 or later. So DOS3.30 is out of the question then! You might manage something with Kermit instead of laplink. This provides transport-independent file-transfer software via serial ports for a wide variety of hardware platforms. A copy of MS-DOS Kermit on the Amstrad should be able to talk to Kermit 95 running on Windows 10. Your challenge would be to find some way of putting a downloaded copy of MS-DOS Kermit on to a suitable floppy compatible with the Amstrad. http://www.kermitproject.org/index.html http://www.kermitproject.org/mskermit.html http://www.kermitproject.org/k95.html when I moved to pc years ago I found no software to read the file format, and used a text extractor to get everything in plain text. The source machine claimed to be able to convert its files to pc format for export, but when time came to do so it turned out it couldn't. A PC1512 *is* a PC - very cheap and cost reduced in true Amstrad style - but a PC none the less. (not to be confused with the 8256 and 8512 Z80 CP/M based word processors with their "odd" 3" disks, or the home computer CPC range of machines) I never played with the Amstrads. The CP/M Z80 I used had 2x 8" floppies to run a whole network. I also remember being mightily impressed with a 70M HDD. Couldn't imagine ever filling all that space up. And later 10M networking - what possible use was such wild speed? NT |
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On 07/09/2020 20:03, mm0fmf wrote:
On 07/09/2020 14:56, Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: Andy Burns wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: But how do you get anything (kermit) ON to the PC 1512? Ask nicely someone who's got a machine with a 5¼" floppy drive. Who could then read thw 15i2 floppirs ANYWAY...? bit tedious copying 20MB via 360kB floppies you could send kermit over the serial ports, copy /b kermit.exe com1: except I think on the receiving size ^Z characters in the file will **** it up, write a bin2hex program on the modern PC, transfer the kermit.hex as ASCII, then use GW/QBASIC on the ancient PC to convert it back to binary? That's the kind of thing I'd do. There used to be "mini kermits" in Basic that you could transfer as text... Dave |
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