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MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. -- *Never miss a good chance to shut up * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? given that 10AWG is 2.6mm diameter I thought it was worth asking those that know..... They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. that doesn't necessarily mean they won't work on solid copper though does it? The strands appear to be twisted together before the 2 wires are inserted into it... -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Jimk wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message: In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? given that 10AWG is 2.6mm diameter I thought it was worth asking those that know..... 2.5mm cable in the UK can refer to either flex or solid single. They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. though does it? The strands appear to be twisted together before the 2 wires are inserted into it... The normal way is to simply push them together so the strands interweave. I'd not have thought two solid cables would even fit into it. -- *I'm not as think as you drunk I am. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article , Jimk wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message: In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? given that 10AWG is 2.6mm diameter I thought it was worth asking those that know..... 2.5mm cable in the UK can refer to either flex or solid single. & common or garden T&E.... They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. though does it? The strands appear to be twisted together before the 2 wires are inserted into it... The normal way is to simply push them together so the strands interweave. I'd not have thought two solid cables would even fit into it. Or it might be rather easier than ramming your loose strands together... Shurely it's a "ring" of solder? I can't see how else it would be reliably useful.... -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. Do they have a voltage rating? Even if they are ok for American mains our voltages to earth are twice as high. In practice it would probably not be a problem, but it would be against regulations to use something *not* rated for the correct voltage. -- Roger Hayter |
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On 25/07/2020 20:27, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. Do they have a voltage rating? Even if they are ok for American mains our voltages to earth are twice as high. What voltage is their hot leg? -- Adam |
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ARW wrote:
On 25/07/2020 20:27, Roger Hayter wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. Do they have a voltage rating? Even if they are ok for American mains our voltages to earth are twice as high. What voltage is their hot leg? They have 120V to earth antiphase supplies or 208V phase-to-phase three phase. -- Roger Hayter |
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On Saturday, 25 July 2020 20:35:36 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
On 25/07/2020 20:27, Roger Hayter wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. Do they have a voltage rating? Even if they are ok for American mains our voltages to earth are twice as high. What voltage is their hot leg? 110, split phase so across both gets you 220. Unless the neutral comes loose. Are those solder joints the LMP solder things for use with hairdryers by people that can't solder? Soldered joints are permitted. NT |
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Yes the clue is in them fings called words in the description.
Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. -- *Never miss a good chance to shut up * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:46:54 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Jimk wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message: In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? given that 10AWG is 2.6mm diameter I thought it was worth asking those that know..... 2.5mm cable in the UK can refer to either flex or solid single. They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. though does it? The strands appear to be twisted together before the 2 wires are inserted into it... The normal way is to simply push them together so the strands interweave. I'd not have thought two solid cables would even fit into it. yes 110/0.0076" equiv' 2.5 sq mm |
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Roger Hayter wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. Do they have a voltage rating? Even if they are ok for American mains our voltages to earth are twice as high. In practice it would probably not be a problem, but it would be against regulations to use something *not* rated for the correct voltage. The clue is in the description. For marine and automotive. If suitable for mains, surely they'd say so? -- *IF A TURTLE DOESN'T HAVE A SHELL, IS HE HOMELESS OR NAKED? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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wrote: Are those solder joints the LMP solder things for use with hairdryers by people that can't solder? Soldered joints are permitted. They are actually very convenient for joining things like low voltage flex wiring. The shrink sleeve is glue lined so provides some strain relief. I've not tested one to make sure it is OK at the maximum rated value of the cable, though. -- *People want trepanners like they want a hole in the head* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article , wrote: Are those solder joints the LMP solder things for use with hairdryers by people that can't solder? Soldered joints are permitted. They are actually very convenient for joining things like low voltage flex wiring. The shrink sleeve is glue lined so provides some strain relief. I've not tested one to make sure it is OK at the maximum rated value of the cable, though. Have you used some then? -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 25/07/2020 15:20, Jimk wrote:
MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) On the balance of probabilities I would tend toward yes, with a caveat or two. The wiring regs do permit soldering as a maintenance free jointing technique. One would normally insulate solder joints with heat shrink as well. So in that respect fine. With a soldered joint, you are required to make sure its mechanically strong before soldering (i.e. not relying on just the solder to hold it together, and instead twisting or whipping the joint as well). So there needs to be space for that. Also the insulation voltage will need to be good for a minimum of 300V (and preferably 500V) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 25/07/2020 20:27, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. Do they have a voltage rating? Even if they are ok for American mains our voltages to earth are twice as high. To earth yes, however remember that American properties have a 240V supply as standard. Its just in a 120V - 0 - 120V centre tapped configuration. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Jimk wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message: In article , wrote: Are those solder joints the LMP solder things for use with hairdryers by people that can't solder? Soldered joints are permitted. They are actually very convenient for joining things like low voltage flex wiring. The shrink sleeve is glue lined so provides some strain relief. I've not tested one to make sure it is OK at the maximum rated value of the cable, though. Have you used some then? Yes. Not on a car - if I needed to join a wire there I'd use spade connectors as I have them in stock and have the correct crimp tool. Recent use was to gain an extra SATA power connector on an ATX PS, rather than use an untidy adaptor. Hacked off an unused HD power connector and jointed to the SATA one from an adaptor. -- *Few women admit their age; fewer men act it. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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John Rumm wrote:
On 25/07/2020 20:27, Roger Hayter wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. Do they have a voltage rating? Even if they are ok for American mains our voltages to earth are twice as high. To earth yes, however remember that American properties have a 240V supply as standard. Its just in a 120V - 0 - 120V centre tapped configuration. The two phases are wired to stove, electric clothes dryer, central air compressor, electric hot water heater. The central air can use four positions in the breaker panel. The stove and clothes dryer, since they may need replacement by the consumer, they're fitted with plug and socket for easy removal/replacement. If you bought a stove, it would already have the male plug on the end. https://www.globalindustrial.ca/p/el...25-250v-14-50r Things like central air and electric hot water heaters, are hard wired. As to what fuels are used, it all depends on what is available. The "menu" is different, in different parts of the country. The city I'm in now, hot water is via natural gas. The city I was born in, still doesn't have natural gas. So you use something else there. Paul |
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On Saturday, 25 July 2020 20:35:36 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
On 25/07/2020 20:27, Roger Hayter wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. Do they have a voltage rating? Even if they are ok for American mains our voltages to earth are twice as high. What voltage is their hot leg? -- Adam They have three phase zig zag connected transformers in the USA giving the possibility of 110Y, 220V or 410V ie the centre point of each of three windings is bonded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigzag_transformer |
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 11:19:46 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote: [snip] They have three phase zig zag connected transformers in the USA giving the possibility of 110Y, 220V or 410V ie the centre point of each of three windings is bonded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigzag_transformer I always thought US electricity was two phase, but it seems I was completely wrong :-) |
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Scott wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 11:19:46 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: [snip] They have three phase zig zag connected transformers in the USA giving the possibility of 110Y, 220V or 410V ie the centre point of each of three windings is bonded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigzag_transformer I always thought US electricity was two phase, but it seems I was completely wrong :-) Depends where you're standing. Residential areas don't have industrial wiring. I think I've seen a setup like this, but downtown in an industrial area. This would be an area that has a rail line and perhaps even a rail yard nearby. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...Z9a-gEXDNDkPKM In residential areas, there's only one tin can for every three houses or so. And a single exploding fuse for protection (blows arm open). In the picture above, you can see three exploding fuses and associated arms. Not running three phase everywhere, saves on wire cost. And I don't think the telephone poles really like having three tin cans on like that. Might require one of the more stout poles (there's a few different diameters). And we have more than pole transformers here. The more classy installations use pad mount ones. https://www.electricityforum.com/td/...nt-transformer Paul |
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On Sunday, 26 July 2020 12:12:13 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
On 25/07/2020 15:20, Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) On the balance of probabilities I would tend toward yes, with a caveat or two. The wiring regs do permit soldering as a maintenance free jointing technique. One would normally insulate solder joints with heat shrink as well. So in that respect fine. With a soldered joint, you are required to make sure its mechanically strong before soldering (i.e. not relying on just the solder to hold it together, and instead twisting or whipping the joint as well). So there needs to be space for that. Also the insulation voltage will need to be good for a minimum of 300V (and preferably 500V) Unless I'm mistaken, mains joins don't need individual insulation but do require a flame resisting housing, which a shrink sleeve doesn't provide. So OK inside a thermoset box, but not without. NT |
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On 27/07/2020 01:41, wrote:
On Sunday, 26 July 2020 12:12:13 UTC+1, John Rumm wrote: On 25/07/2020 15:20, Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) On the balance of probabilities I would tend toward yes, with a caveat or two. The wiring regs do permit soldering as a maintenance free jointing technique. One would normally insulate solder joints with heat shrink as well. So in that respect fine. With a soldered joint, you are required to make sure its mechanically strong before soldering (i.e. not relying on just the solder to hold it together, and instead twisting or whipping the joint as well). So there needs to be space for that. Also the insulation voltage will need to be good for a minimum of 300V (and preferably 500V) Unless I'm mistaken, mains joins don't need individual insulation but do require a flame resisting housing, which a shrink sleeve doesn't provide. So OK inside a thermoset box, but not without. In common with any cable, you need two layers of insulation, so you can use the insulated solder connections, but then need an overall sleeve as well. Much the same as when joining a cable with insulated crimps, then using an overall heat shrink. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 26/07/2020 16:53, Paul wrote:
John Rumm wrote: On 25/07/2020 20:27, Roger Hayter wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Jimk wrote: MONOLIT Solder Seal Heat Shrink Butt Connectors Electrical Â* Connectors Waterproof Marine Automotive Wire Connector Kit 10 - Â* 26 AWG Gauge (100pcs Box) Given they say automotive wire connectors, what do you think? They are designed for multi strand flexible wiring - and for that, work pretty well. Do they have a voltage rating?Â* Even if they are ok for American mains our voltages to earth are twice as high. To earth yes, however remember that American properties have a 240V supply as standard. Its just in a 120V - 0 - 120V centre tapped configuration. The two phases are wired to stove, electric clothes dryer, central air compressor, electric hot water heater. The central air can use four positions in the breaker panel. The stove and clothes dryer, since they may need replacement by the consumer, they're fitted with plug and socket for easy removal/replacement. If you bought a stove, it would already have the male plug on the end. https://www.globalindustrial.ca/p/el...25-250v-14-50r Things like central air and electric hot water heaters, are hard wired. As to what fuels are used, it all depends on what is available. The "menu" is different, in different parts of the country. The city I'm in now, hot water is via natural gas. The city I was born in, still doesn't have natural gas. So you use something else there. Â*Â* Paul $86 dollars for that socket and another $61 for the appliance plug !! |
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On 29/07/2020 20:33, Andrew wrote:
On 26/07/2020 16:53, Paul wrote: The city I'm in now, hot water is via natural gas. The city I was born in, still doesn't have natural gas. So you use something else there. Â*Â*Â* Paul $86 dollars for that socket and another $61 for the appliance plug !! That's an amazing price ... Paul, is that normal? -- Adrian C |
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Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 29/07/2020 20:33, Andrew wrote: On 26/07/2020 16:53, Paul wrote: The city I'm in now, hot water is via natural gas. The city I was born in, still doesn't have natural gas. So you use something else there. Paul $86 dollars for that socket and another $61 for the appliance plug !! That's an amazing price ... Paul, is that normal? No, that's not normal. Leviton 50 Amp Range Receptacle $5.72 https://www.homedepot.ca/product/lev...cle/1000113579 Leviton Range Receptacle $4.99 https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/l...-0527240p.html Some of our stores are so prissy, they won't even give a price online. It's a kind of strip tease with them. The Canadian Tire, their search engine doesn't work, so you have to do Google searches to find anything. That GlobalIndustries item probably has oxygen-free wire, for usage with your AV rack :-) And maybe some token gold plating for fun. That's the way Monster Cable would do it. Paul |
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