IMM wrote:

"parish" parish_AT_ntlworld.com wrote in message
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Basic physics tells us that as
the bin fills up it will affect the
airflow through it and the same with
the filters

Do you know how a cyclone works? It gives full flow and the solids drop
down into a container.

I know, but when then contents of the bin reach up to perforated baffle,
where the air passes from the outer to the inner cyclone, it will impede
the airflow, i.e. slow it down. As I keep saying, it would require
instruments to measure the reduction in suction as it will be very
small, maybe only a few percent, but there will be a reduction.

Having said that, the "Max" line on the bin is roughly level with the
bottom of the baffle but when all the carpet fibres and hair binds
together to form a mat it tends to get dragged up to the baffle even
when, switched off, the bin is only half full.

The small filters can make a difference, but these
are changeable in literally seconds.

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In article , The Natural Philosopher (tnp) writes:

tnp My bag gets clogeed up after it gets full. I emprty it. It works
tnp again. The dyson gets full, it deosn't rempovbe the finer
tnp particles. It gets clogged up . I emoty it, dismnatle teh filters,
tnp wash em and shake em, and then it works again.

I can only assume you are speaking from no experience. I bought a
dyson 2 and a bit years ago, mostly because it would fit in the
strange triangular cupboard I had available, and partly because it is
pretty.

I haven't washed the filter, cos life is too short, and it still works
perfectly 5 missed washes on. It coped with lots of wood chips from a
recent DIY project with no complaints, and they are usually a bugger
being relatively heavy and tending to hook into the carpet pile.

If anything it has a small problem with being over-enthusiastic near
the edge of some old carpet in one room and trying to unweave it.

Oh, and the bend in the tube where the hose meets the body is clearly
wrongly designed, occasionally something like a long stick from a
houseplant gets stuck there.

ONe small design flaw, which is a pretty good score for a consumer
item in my experience. If was replacing it I'd probably buy another,
though there may be better options avilable now I haven't looked. I
think the current price is 150 quid or thereabouts.


Or £50 to £75 to get it back to new again. Great service,

I can buy a new vaccuum for 50 tp 75. It IS new.

But is doesn't suck like a Dyson.


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Essjay001 wrote:

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Essjay001 wrote:

Say what you will it was and still is a very good quality product.

At 5 times the cost of something equivalent for no real advantage
that OI can see, it bloody ought to be...but isn't basically.


So what would you suggest for less than 35 quid

Seciond hand panasonic/sanyo cylinder



Oh our sainsbury's do Dyson for £169

Thats before the extended warrantry, repair bills, and time spent
keeping it working..

My Dyson has had one belt (a DIY job to fit and belt available in
Comet) and only filters in 7 years, and still going strong. An
American lady next door borrowed it once, and was might impressed and
was going to buy one in the USA, until I told here how it worked and
as far as I know they do not sell them in the USA. She was
disappointed.

Not yet but they will

Essjay001 wrote:

My Dyson has had one belt (a DIY job to fit and belt available in
Comet) and only filters in 7 years, and still going strong. An
American lady next door borrowed it once, and was might impressed and
was going to buy one in the USA, until I told here how it worked and
as far as I know they do not sell them in the USA. She was
disappointed.


Not yet but they will

Not only are Dysons currently available in the US, there are also a number
of Dyson wannabes. I had the poor judgement to buy one of those knockoffs,
because I have been so pleased with the performance of my DC01. The
knockoff is a piece of junk - nowhere near as good as my old Dyson, which
is still going strong after more than 5 years.

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Essjay001 wrote:

My Dyson has had one belt (a DIY job to fit and belt available in
Comet) and only filters in 7 years, and still going strong. An
American lady next door borrowed it once, and was might impressed and
was going to buy one in the USA, until I told here how it worked and
as far as I know they do not sell them in the USA. She was
disappointed.


Not yet but they will

Not only are Dysons currently available in the US, there are also a number
of Dyson wannabes. I had the poor judgement to buy one of those
knockoffs,
because I have been so pleased with the performance of my DC01. The
knockoff is a piece of junk - nowhere near as good as my old Dyson, which
is still going strong after more than 5 years.

There you go.


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S Viemeister wrote:
Essjay001 wrote:

My Dyson has had one belt (a DIY job to fit and belt available in
Comet) and only filters in 7 years, and still going strong. An
American lady next door borrowed it once, and was might impressed
and was going to buy one in the USA, until I told here how it
worked and as far as I know they do not sell them in the USA. She
was disappointed.


Not yet but they will

Not only are Dysons currently available in the US,
When I left them last year I think they were still trying get into the US or
so they said Looks like they made it

Steve R

I don't know who's doing it but someone needs to post less and spell check
more

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S Viemeister wrote:
Essjay001 wrote:

My Dyson has had one belt (a DIY job to fit and belt available in
Comet) and only filters in 7 years, and still going strong. An
American lady next door borrowed it once, and was might impressed
and was going to buy one in the USA, until I told here how it
worked and as far as I know they do not sell them in the USA. She
was disappointed.


Not yet but they will

Not only are Dysons currently available in the US,
When I left them last year I think they were still trying get into the US
or
so they said Looks like they made it

Did you work for Dyson?


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IMM wrote:


Did you work for Dyson?

No I slaved for them!

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
See how long they last on snadblasting residue or plaster dust as
well.

I think our record was 25 seconds.

Which is what I meant when I said people abuse them. They really were not
designed for such treatment.



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parish wrote:

But the leaking joints and flex that doesn't rewind completely are
indicative of poor build quality.

How do you work that out?

In article ,
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
See how long they last on snadblasting residue or plaster dust as
well.

I think our record was 25 seconds.

Which is what I meant when I said people abuse them. They really were not
designed for such treatment.

Well, as I said elsewhere, my DC04 has only been used for this
type of thing, and has been going fine for 3 years now.

--
Andrew Gabriel

In article ,
Essjay001 wrote:
Did you work for Dyson?

No I slaved for them!

Didn't stop them moving production abroad, though. ;-(

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
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Essjay001 wrote:
parish wrote:

But the leaking joints and flex that doesn't rewind completely are
indicative of poor build quality.

How do you work that out?



Obviously not an Engineer then. The object of a vacuum cleaner is to
provide suction at the *end* of the hose; if the intermediate joints
leak then that suction is reduced. If the joints/connectors on your
garden hosepipe ****ed water out (like mine did until I replaced the
crappy Hozelok plastic ones with brass ones) then there's less water
coming out of the business end.

Similarly, the flex rewind is supposed to rewind the flex into the
machine - all of it, not all of it minus 1ft/300mm. If the central
locking on you new car only locked three of the doors you'd be taking it
straight back to the dealer, no?

Quality, something that's sadly lacking in British built products I'm
sad to say.

parish wrote:
Essjay001 wrote:
parish wrote:

But the leaking joints and flex that doesn't rewind completely are
indicative of poor build quality.

How do you work that out?



Obviously not an Engineer then.

Well yes I am actually (Aircraft engineer)

The object of a vacuum cleaner is to
provide suction at the *end* of the hose; if the intermediate joints
leak then that suction is reduced.

So some models had a bit of a problem in that department,

snip

Similarly, the flex rewind is supposed to rewind the flex into the
machine - all of it, not all of it minus 1ft/300mm.

And of course your Dyson was never used right at the end of its reach "just
to get that last little bit" was it. I've done it myself relying on th
strech of the hose to safeguard the cable.

If the central
locking on you new car only locked three of the doors you'd be taking
it straight back to the dealer, no?

"new car" whats one of them?

Quality, something that's sadly lacking in British built products I'm
sad to say.

On that we can agree, but the Dyson nah!

Essjay001 wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

See how long they last on snadblasting residue or plaster dust as
well.

I think our record was 25 seconds.


Which is what I meant when I said people abuse them. They really were not
designed for such treatment.


I know. They are designed for looking good in showrooms, and picking up
the odd bit of IMM'ds face powder and mascara droppings

In short, they are designed to sell.


Sadly I need a vacuume cleaner that - er - generates a decent vaccuum
and - er cleans...

Not a fashion Icon.

Dyson is the sort of thing one could imagine P Di having sex with, but
its no good for deep cleaning.





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Essjay001 wrote:

Which is what I meant when I said people abuse them. They really were
not
designed for such treatment.

In short, they are designed to sell.

Go away!! They are not are they? They actually want to sell them?



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IMM wrote:

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Essjay001 wrote:


Which is what I meant when I said people abuse them. They really were

not

designed for such treatment.


In short, they are designed to sell.


Go away!! They are not are they? They actually want to sell them?



But not designed to work.

In short, your ideal product?




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IMM wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Essjay001 wrote:


Which is what I meant when I said people abuse them. They really were

not

designed for such treatment.

In short, they are designed to sell.

Go away!! They are not are they? They actually want to sell them?


But not designed to work.

Like your super expensive AGA



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In short, they are designed to sell.

Go away!! They are not are they? They actually want to sell them?


But not designed to work.


Like your super expensive AGA



No, that IS designed to work, and surprisingly enough, that also sells it.

Agas are like land rovers (I have two of those as well) in that they are
actually both based on veruy old designs taht have stood the test of
time, and do WHAT THEY WRE DESIGNED TO DO really well.
The fact that most agas are used fo warming frozen chips, and most land
rovers spend their time cluttering up the school gates, is a separate issue.

I mean, what other car would you take down the garden to pull the lawn
tractor out of a ditch?

The aga is functional and effective in what it does, It can't grill to
save its life, but it warms the kitchen and is atrcative in a 19th
centrury Fred Dibner sort of way. If I want a modern ceramic hob cooker
-well there's one bolted on the aga and another one I got S.H for a 100
quid with all mod cons. However when the power goes out for 3 days as it
did last winter, all the Combi boilers and modern microwaves won't cook
your dinner or keep you warm, and when there is a foot of snow outside,
I wouldn't take anything but the 24 year old series III with its MOD tyres.

Stick yo your urban box, with its insulated walls, combi boliers and
Butlins hoidays. You wouldn't last a week out here.





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Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:23:02 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


The fact that most agas are used fo warming frozen chips, and most land
rovers spend their time cluttering up the school gates, is a separate issue.


And most of those aren't real Land Rovers anyway...even if they bear the
name! Only the Defender is a REAL one...!


Excuse me, My series III is ALSO a real one. In fact its realer than my
Defender IYSWIM



I heard a good term for all these OTT 4x4s that clutter school
gates....Chelsea Tractors!

Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:23:02 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The fact that most agas are used fo warming frozen chips, and most land
rovers spend their time cluttering up the school gates, is a separate issue.

And most of those aren't real Land Rovers anyway...even if they bear the
name! Only the Defender is a REAL one...!

I heard a good term for all these OTT 4x4s that clutter school
gates....Chelsea Tractors!


LOL! Double the road tax on them I say :-)

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:41:58 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Excuse me, My series III is ALSO a real one. In fact its realer than my
Defender IYSWIM

Sorry, sir...I was including those by proxy....wish I still had my
Series I....

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:44:07 +0000, parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com
wrote:

LOL! Double the road tax on them I say :-)

Actually that would most likely be a benefit of putting transponders
into vehicles so that they could be tracked (I'm not advocating that
we should do this BTW).

That way all those damned cars that pile up outside the school gates
in the morning and afternoon could be targetted for additional
taxation.

We have a primary school not far from here, and I'm not joking when I
say there are people that won't walk a quarter of a mile to take
little Johnny to school - they've got to get the car out so as not to
stretch little Johnny's legs.

They are a right royal pain in the arse.

Andrew

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:44:07 +0000, parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com
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LOL! Double the road tax on them I say :-)

Actually that would most likely be a benefit of putting transponders
into vehicles so that they could be tracked (I'm not advocating that
we should do this BTW).

That way all those damned cars that pile up outside the school gates
in the morning and afternoon could be targetted for additional
taxation.

We have a primary school not far from here, and I'm not joking when I
say there are people that won't walk a quarter of a mile to take
little Johnny to school - they've got to get the car out so as not to
stretch little Johnny's legs.

So little Johnny gets fat, as the nation becomes obese. The local school
near me allocates spaces in a pecking order of proximity to the school. If
you live within walking distance then you go to the top of the list. They
always have to turn people away.



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more



Spoilsport!
Regards
Capitol

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:41:02 UTC, Andrew McKay
wrote:

We have a primary school not far from here, and I'm not joking when I
say there are people that won't walk a quarter of a mile to take
little Johnny to school - they've got to get the car out so as not to
stretch little Johnny's legs.

In our case, they also can't be bothered to park properly when they get
there. To most of them (especially the Chelsea Tractor drivers) they
seem to believe that the space marked out with zigzag yellow lines is
their private stopping place.

As it happens, I do drive there (it's about a mile). But I do a round
trip to the other side of town to pick up more kids, and when I get
there they usually have a couple of hundred yards to walk since I always
find a proper space.

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Andrew McKay wrote:

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:44:07 +0000, parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com
wrote:

LOL! Double the road tax on them I say :-)

Actually that would most likely be a benefit of putting transponders
into vehicles so that they could be tracked (I'm not advocating that
we should do this BTW).

That way all those damned cars that pile up outside the school gates
in the morning and afternoon could be targetted for additional
taxation.

We have a primary school not far from here, and I'm not joking when I
say there are people that won't walk a quarter of a mile to take
little Johnny to school - they've got to get the car out so as not to
stretch little Johnny's legs.


And, if they are late leaving home, probably end up parking further away
from the school than their house is.

They are a right royal pain in the arse.


Tell me about it. I live in a village and the primary school is just
around the corner from us (100m) The T-junction at the top of our road
is totally blocked twice a day. There is a law in the Road Traffic Act
that states that it is illegal to park withing 15m of a junction.
Several times I've 'phoned the local Constabulary - do they do anything?
Do they fck!.

I've noticed in several areas that the local councils have painted a
solid white line around junctions extending ~15m either side and people
seem to religiously obey this. Why? The Police could just come out and
slap fixed penalty notices on the vehicles within 15m.

Andrew

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Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:41:02 UTC, Andrew McKay
wrote:

We have a primary school not far from here, and I'm not joking when I
say there are people that won't walk a quarter of a mile to take
little Johnny to school - they've got to get the car out so as not to
stretch little Johnny's legs.

In our case, they also can't be bothered to park properly when they get
there. To most of them (especially the Chelsea Tractor drivers) they
seem to believe that the space marked out with zigzag yellow lines is
their private stopping place.


Interesting comment that. Outside our local primary school they seem to
respect the yellow zig-zags which, AIUI, are not mandatory but advisory,
i.e. it isn't actually an *offence* to park on them.

As it happens, I do drive there (it's about a mile). But I do a round
trip to the other side of town to pick up more kids, and when I get
there they usually have a couple of hundred yards to walk since I always
find a proper space.


That's fair enough; you are effecitvely a school bus.

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:38:29 +0000, parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com
wrote:

I've noticed in several areas that the local councils have painted a
solid white line around junctions extending ~15m either side and people
seem to religiously obey this. Why? The Police could just come out and
slap fixed penalty notices on the vehicles within 15m.

Can't do that - it would hurt community relations. The Moms would be
marching up and down outside the police station with placards waving
shouting that the police were infringing their rights!

How I wish we could get back to the 60's and community policing like
it ought to be!

Andrew

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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:42:07 UTC, parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com wrote:

In our case, they also can't be bothered to park properly when they get
there. To most of them (especially the Chelsea Tractor drivers) they
seem to believe that the space marked out with zigzag yellow lines is
their private stopping place.


Interesting comment that. Outside our local primary school they seem to
respect the yellow zig-zags which, AIUI, are not mandatory but advisory,
i.e. it isn't actually an *offence* to park on them.

My understanding was that they are mandatory...they do occasionally get
traffic wardens out to keep them clear (usually when there's been a near
miss with a child). Recently they've ben accompanied by police because
of the abuse and threats from parents who believe they have a right to
park there. (no, not some inner city, but Herne Bay in Kent).

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Andrew McKay wrote:

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:38:29 +0000, parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com
wrote:

I've noticed in several areas that the local councils have painted a
solid white line around junctions extending ~15m either side and people
seem to religiously obey this. Why? The Police could just come out and
slap fixed penalty notices on the vehicles within 15m.

Can't do that - it would hurt community relations. The Moms would be
marching up and down outside the police station with placards waving
shouting that the police were infringing their rights!

How I wish we could get back to the 60's and community policing like
it ought to be!


Seconded.

Andrew

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Andrew McKay wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:38:29 +0000, parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com
wrote:

I've noticed in several areas that the local councils have painted a
solid white line around junctions extending ~15m either side and
people seem to religiously obey this. Why? The Police could just
come out and slap fixed penalty notices on the vehicles within 15m.

Can't do that - it would hurt community relations. The Moms would be
marching up and down outside the police station with placards waving
shouting that the police were infringing their rights!

How I wish we could get back to the 60's and community policing like
it ought to be!

Agreed A swift cu-cu-cu-cuff round the ear ne-ne-ne-ver hurt m-m-m-me

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:00:18 +0000, parish parish_AT_ntlworld.com
wrote:

The object of a vacuum cleaner is to
provide suction at the *end* of the hose; if the intermediate joints
leak then that suction is reduced.

If you completely block the input to a centrifugal fan, all suction
will disappear. Providing a small controlled leakage need have a
negligible effect in normal use but will ensure that suction is
maintained even when the main nozzle is virtually blocked.

Cheers - Mick