Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me guage how serious a problem Im having with my washing machine.We have had this machine 5 Years and its just out of extended warrantry by 3 weeks.The machine fills ok with water,and then is supposed to go into the wash cycle but instead of starting a gentle cycle it starts to turn irratically as if it was starting a spin,this lasts for about 5 seconds and then repeats this a couple of times before the programmer starts turning past all the programmes ,It continues turning and the only way to stop the turn is by switching off the machine.Once you get the machine to empty by turning the dial to the end of programme it should then do a final spin,it trys to start this but once again the programmer start turning continuiously until you have to switch it off.I think possibly the programmer is gone but is there any way of testing it or adjusting it.Any advice would be greatly appreciated.The make of the machine is a Zanussi sensorcycle 1050.

"Terry" wrote in message
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Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me guage how serious a problem Im
having with my washing machine.We have had this machine 5 Years and its
just out of extended warrantry by 3 weeks.The machine fills ok with
water,and then is supposed to go into the wash cycle but instead of
starting a gentle cycle it starts to turn irratically as if it was
starting a spin,this lasts for about 5 seconds and then repeats this a
couple of times before the programmer starts turning past all the
programmes ,It continues turning and the only way to stop the turn is
by switching off the machine.Once you get the machine to empty by
turning the dial to the end of programme it should then do a final
spin,it trys to start this but once again the programmer start turning
continuiously until you have to switch it off.I think possibly the
programmer is gone but is there any way of testing it or adjusting
it.Any advice would be greatly appreciated.The make of the machine is a
Zanussi sensorcycle 1050.


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Terry

Hi,
Seems that the programmer is gone. I'm afraid theres no way to repair it and
even if its repairable it will cost more than a new one.
The best you can do is to find a Zanussi agent and replace the faulty
programmer.
take care.
Met

Check the tacho magnet on the back end of the motor. pound to a penny the
magnet has worked loose...

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"Terry" wrote in message
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Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me guage how serious a problem Im
having with my washing machine.We have had this machine 5 Years and its
just out of extended warrantry by 3 weeks.The machine fills ok with
water,and then is supposed to go into the wash cycle but instead of
starting a gentle cycle it starts to turn irratically as if it was
starting a spin,this lasts for about 5 seconds and then repeats this a
couple of times before the programmer starts turning past all the
programmes ,It continues turning and the only way to stop the turn is
by switching off the machine.Once you get the machine to empty by
turning the dial to the end of programme it should then do a final
spin,it trys to start this but once again the programmer start turning
continuiously until you have to switch it off.I think possibly the
programmer is gone but is there any way of testing it or adjusting
it.Any advice would be greatly appreciated.The make of the machine is a
Zanussi sensorcycle 1050.


--
Terry

Hi,
Seems that the programmer is gone. I'm afraid theres no way to repair it
and
even if its repairable it will cost more than a new one.
The best you can do is to find a Zanussi agent and replace the faulty
programmer.
take care.
Met

my Zanussi sensorcycle 1250 took up smoking last night, bloody house stinks
of burning electricals. bloody torx security screws holding the lid on and I
can't find my set.

judging from where the programmer stopped think its that that's given up the
ghost.
loz
"Terry" wrote in message
...

Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me guage how serious a problem Im
having with my washing machine.We have had this machine 5 Years and its
just out of extended warrantry by 3 weeks.The machine fills ok with
water,and then is supposed to go into the wash cycle but instead of
starting a gentle cycle it starts to turn irratically as if it was
starting a spin,this lasts for about 5 seconds and then repeats this a
couple of times before the programmer starts turning past all the
programmes ,It continues turning and the only way to stop the turn is
by switching off the machine.Once you get the machine to empty by
turning the dial to the end of programme it should then do a final
spin,it trys to start this but once again the programmer start turning
continuiously until you have to switch it off.I think possibly the
programmer is gone but is there any way of testing it or adjusting
it.Any advice would be greatly appreciated.The make of the machine is a
Zanussi sensorcycle 1050.


--
Terry

"Terry" wrote in message
...

Hi all, I wonder if anyone could help me guage how serious a problem Im
having with my washing machine.We have had this machine 5 Years and its
just out of extended warrantry by 3 weeks.The machine fills ok with
water,and then is supposed to go into the wash cycle but instead of
starting a gentle cycle it starts to turn irratically as if it was
starting a spin,this lasts for about 5 seconds and then repeats this a
couple of times before the programmer starts turning past all the
programmes ,It continues turning and the only way to stop the turn is by
switching off the machine.Once you get the machine to empty by turning
the dial to the end of programme it should then do a final spin,it trys
to start this but once again the programmer start turning continuiously
until you have to switch it off.I think possibly the programmer is gone
but is there any way of testing it or adjusting it.Any advice would be
greatly appreciated.The make of the machine is a Zanussi sensorcycle
1050.

Replying to OP - but my newsserver ate that one though...

I don't know the programmer used in these - but the only type I know about
is the old cam switch type. These often had a synchronous motor coil
turning a large camset which operated a load of switch leaves arranged
down both sides.

I can't for the life of me think how a synchronous motor could do this -
so it must be a slightly different type of controller I'm not familiar
with. But assuming it's some sort of cam with a different type of motor
arrangement:

It does sound like the programmer has failed in an interesting way. Try
turning the water off and starting the programme as you have done.
Give it a few minutes, then turn the water on. Does it behave itself until
the fill sensor triggers?

In some cases the fill sensor will cut the power to the controller motor
until the machine has filled, then start the programmer ticking again.

In which case I would say the controller's dead. Unlikely to be anything
you can do for it.

If you feel confident with electricity (I'm taking it as read that you'll
turn everything off and unplug before going inside it!), take the cover
off and disconnect the controller's motor coil if it's external -
sometimes on the back of the unit.
Put power back and try manually selecting different positions and see if
you can get it to spin, wash and empty OK.

That should show there's nothing wrong with the rest of the system.
Because washing machine motors can be complex affairs with multiple
windings and 2-phase drive (2nd phase is arrived at by a big capacitor)
weirdness in the controller which has to manage the windings can make the
main motor behave in very odd and erratic ways.

Cam controllers are a bit of a pain to change but not actually difficult.
You just have to label 100+ wires (half of which loop between different
parts of the controller to achieve the logic required). Then pull off and
plug onto a replacement unit. If the labels fall off whilst doing this,
you are essensially doomed. I used little card price tags on strings -
they are reasonably resilient.

That knowledge was based entirely on an old Indesit - but maybe something
will be helpful?

Cheers

Timbo

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Tim Southerwood
Website: http://www.dionic.net/
email: (remove DIESPAMDIE. to get address)

Egbert Nobacon] Cheers for that info tipped the m/c up and the tachno magnet was loose[only thing is there is no way of locking it tight ,i just pushed it in as far as it would go.Is there any way of tightening it in its location or is what i have done ok.} I cant thank you enough.

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:50:08 +0100, Terry wrote:

Egbert Nobacon] Cheers for that info tipped the m/c up and the tachno
magnet was loose[only thing is there is no way of locking it tight ,i just
pushed it in as far as it would go.Is there any way of tightening it in
its location or is what i have done ok.} I cant thank you enough.

Well that was worth knowing about. Cheers.

On the second point - drop of glue or silicone sealant?

Timbo

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Tim Southerwood
Website: http://www.dionic.net/
email: (remove DIESPAMDIE. to get address)

No problem Terry, I am assuming you gently prised coil out of housing and
found tacho magnet on a plastic thread had worked loose?. I usually use a
spot of threadlock on shaft and tighten with a pair of needle nosed pliers
(bent nose type are especially useful here) then refit coil. (coil should be
held in place with a large castellated washer, usually black in colour)
you'll probably find castellated washer lurking in base of machine
somewhere.

The normal course of events is that the magnet comes loose and pushes coil
from housing, causing an overspeed on motor. PCB will sense lack of voltage
from tacho coil and go into a fault condition mode and avance to end of
cycle to prevent damage to machine.

If you cant find washer, drill a wee hole through aluminium housing and
secure with self tapper. (careful not to damage coil!!!)
But make sure magnet is good and tight first.

HTH

Egbert