never trusted tower cranes

On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

best not to use them on windy day then

On 08/07/2020 16:52, Andrew wrote:
On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

best not to use them on windy day then
they can't anyway

Yes we had one collapse in Kingston last year. Luckily nobody was on site at
the time, made a heck of a mess of the building being built apparently.
What I could never get was why they were not guyed up, as the windage on
the cab area is huge.
Brian

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On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

best not to use them on windy day then

During strong windy weather, tower cranes are usally allowed to
rotate around freely do that the jib always points into or away
from the wind.

Something else made that one in East London collapse, either
the ground wasn't suitable or the procedures were not followed.

Andrew

On 09/07/2020 08:34, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Yes we had one collapse in Kingston last year. Luckily nobody was on site at
the time, made a heck of a mess of the building being built apparently.
What I could never get was why they were not guyed up, as the windage on
the cab area is huge.
Brian

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:39:31 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

never trusted tower cranes

Take a look on the hire label.
If it's Costain they don't stay up long.

AB
From the well pummelled keyboard of Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq

On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:34:09 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
wrote:

I think that permanent guying would cause more issues than they solved
(considering how few fall over etc) and putting guys up when they
weren't in use, probably not practical / cost effective?

Cheers, T i m

snip

What I could never get was why they were not guyed up, as the windage on
the cab area is huge.
Brian

On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

They keep saying it's 65ft. That must mean to the top of the tower,
rather than the length of the boom.

Bill

On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

They keep saying it's 65ft. That must mean to the top of the tower,
rather than the length of the boom.

Bill

On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

They keep saying it's 65ft. That must mean to the top of the tower,
rather than the length of the boom.

Bill

On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

They keep saying it's 65ft. That must mean to the top of the tower,
rather than the length of the boom.

Bill

On 09/07/2020 16:14, williamwright wrote:
On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

They keep saying it's 65ft. That must mean to the top of the tower,
rather than the length of the boom.

Bill

Or 20 metres. Couldn't see at first how that tied in with the position
of the boom through the roof of the house, but then spotted the
triangular brace bits half way along. It looks to me as though the boom
was originally pointing away from the house, then the column toppled
towards the terraced houses and the boom subsequently flipped over the top.

On 09/07/2020 16:14, williamwright wrote:
On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

They keep saying it's 65ft. That must mean to the top of the tower,
rather than the length of the boom.

Bill

Or 20 metres. Couldn't see at first how that tied in with the position
of the boom through the roof of the house, but then spotted the
triangular brace bits half way along. It looks to me as though the boom
was originally pointing away from the house, then the column toppled
towards the terraced houses and the boom subsequently flipped over the top.

On 09/07/2020 16:14, williamwright wrote:
On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

They keep saying it's 65ft. That must mean to the top of the tower,
rather than the length of the boom.

Bill

Or 20 metres. Couldn't see at first how that tied in with the position
of the boom through the roof of the house, but then spotted the
triangular brace bits half way along. It looks to me as though the boom
was originally pointing away from the house, then the column toppled
towards the terraced houses and the boom subsequently flipped over the top.

On 09/07/2020 16:14, williamwright wrote:
On 08/07/2020 16:39, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
never trusted tower cranes

They keep saying it's 65ft. That must mean to the top of the tower,
rather than the length of the boom.

Bill

Or 20 metres. Couldn't see at first how that tied in with the position
of the boom through the roof of the house, but then spotted the
triangular brace bits half way along. It looks to me as though the boom
was originally pointing away from the house, then the column toppled
towards the terraced houses and the boom subsequently flipped over the top.

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:11:04 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:39:31 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

never trusted tower cranes

Take a look on the hire label.
If it's Costain they don't stay up long.

As an apprentice to a site electrician I was given the dubious task of
wiring up the pendant control on a second hand tower crane they had
bought from France and re-assembled on-site.

The excuse they used for pushing me up there is that I had most
recently done French at school and so was in a better position than
them for reading the French wiring diagram colours. ;-(

So, whilst it wasn't that high (I think it was one of these modular
jobs where it can lift itself up, you put in a new section, drop it
onto it and bolt it up and it lifts itself up again ...) it felt
bloody high when I was climbing up inside ... with no PPE / harness of
course. ;-(

Attaching the wiring for the pendant control (raise / lower / slew /
traverse etc) was quite straightforward (whilst translating the
diagram and clinging on with one arm) but the real frightening bit was
adjusting the overload lockout switch. Basically they (while I was
hanging inside the top) took a 2 tonne concrete weight out on the jib
to about half way then 'bounced it slightly and I had to adjust said
switch till the warning then mimicked the bounce in the load. ;-(

So, once properly adjusted, I think the theory was if you tried to
lift more than 1 tonne near the end of the jib the overload horn /
switch cut in and you could only lower the load or bring it inwards.

Interesting but terrifying day!

A better but equally tiring few days was to take all the fluorescent
light diffusers and tubes down in the large open plan office, clean
and dry them, clean the fittings and put them back up again, all 100+
of them!

The place did look a lot brighter and most of that was down to the
yellow gunge on them from the smokers. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:11:04 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:39:31 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

never trusted tower cranes

Take a look on the hire label.
If it's Costain they don't stay up long.

As an apprentice to a site electrician I was given the dubious task of
wiring up the pendant control on a second hand tower crane they had
bought from France and re-assembled on-site.

The excuse they used for pushing me up there is that I had most
recently done French at school and so was in a better position than
them for reading the French wiring diagram colours. ;-(

So, whilst it wasn't that high (I think it was one of these modular
jobs where it can lift itself up, you put in a new section, drop it
onto it and bolt it up and it lifts itself up again ...) it felt
bloody high when I was climbing up inside ... with no PPE / harness of
course. ;-(

Attaching the wiring for the pendant control (raise / lower / slew /
traverse etc) was quite straightforward (whilst translating the
diagram and clinging on with one arm) but the real frightening bit was
adjusting the overload lockout switch. Basically they (while I was
hanging inside the top) took a 2 tonne concrete weight out on the jib
to about half way then 'bounced it slightly and I had to adjust said
switch till the warning then mimicked the bounce in the load. ;-(

So, once properly adjusted, I think the theory was if you tried to
lift more than 1 tonne near the end of the jib the overload horn /
switch cut in and you could only lower the load or bring it inwards.

Interesting but terrifying day!

A better but equally tiring few days was to take all the fluorescent
light diffusers and tubes down in the large open plan office, clean
and dry them, clean the fittings and put them back up again, all 100+
of them!

The place did look a lot brighter and most of that was down to the
yellow gunge on them from the smokers. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:11:04 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:39:31 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

never trusted tower cranes

Take a look on the hire label.
If it's Costain they don't stay up long.

As an apprentice to a site electrician I was given the dubious task of
wiring up the pendant control on a second hand tower crane they had
bought from France and re-assembled on-site.

The excuse they used for pushing me up there is that I had most
recently done French at school and so was in a better position than
them for reading the French wiring diagram colours. ;-(

So, whilst it wasn't that high (I think it was one of these modular
jobs where it can lift itself up, you put in a new section, drop it
onto it and bolt it up and it lifts itself up again ...) it felt
bloody high when I was climbing up inside ... with no PPE / harness of
course. ;-(

Attaching the wiring for the pendant control (raise / lower / slew /
traverse etc) was quite straightforward (whilst translating the
diagram and clinging on with one arm) but the real frightening bit was
adjusting the overload lockout switch. Basically they (while I was
hanging inside the top) took a 2 tonne concrete weight out on the jib
to about half way then 'bounced it slightly and I had to adjust said
switch till the warning then mimicked the bounce in the load. ;-(

So, once properly adjusted, I think the theory was if you tried to
lift more than 1 tonne near the end of the jib the overload horn /
switch cut in and you could only lower the load or bring it inwards.

Interesting but terrifying day!

A better but equally tiring few days was to take all the fluorescent
light diffusers and tubes down in the large open plan office, clean
and dry them, clean the fittings and put them back up again, all 100+
of them!

The place did look a lot brighter and most of that was down to the
yellow gunge on them from the smokers. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:11:04 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:39:31 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

never trusted tower cranes

Take a look on the hire label.
If it's Costain they don't stay up long.

As an apprentice to a site electrician I was given the dubious task of
wiring up the pendant control on a second hand tower crane they had
bought from France and re-assembled on-site.

The excuse they used for pushing me up there is that I had most
recently done French at school and so was in a better position than
them for reading the French wiring diagram colours. ;-(

So, whilst it wasn't that high (I think it was one of these modular
jobs where it can lift itself up, you put in a new section, drop it
onto it and bolt it up and it lifts itself up again ...) it felt
bloody high when I was climbing up inside ... with no PPE / harness of
course. ;-(

Attaching the wiring for the pendant control (raise / lower / slew /
traverse etc) was quite straightforward (whilst translating the
diagram and clinging on with one arm) but the real frightening bit was
adjusting the overload lockout switch. Basically they (while I was
hanging inside the top) took a 2 tonne concrete weight out on the jib
to about half way then 'bounced it slightly and I had to adjust said
switch till the warning then mimicked the bounce in the load. ;-(

So, once properly adjusted, I think the theory was if you tried to
lift more than 1 tonne near the end of the jib the overload horn /
switch cut in and you could only lower the load or bring it inwards.

Interesting but terrifying day!

A better but equally tiring few days was to take all the fluorescent
light diffusers and tubes down in the large open plan office, clean
and dry them, clean the fittings and put them back up again, all 100+
of them!

The place did look a lot brighter and most of that was down to the
yellow gunge on them from the smokers. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

In article , T i m
scribeth thus
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:34:09 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
wrote:

I think that permanent guying would cause more issues than they solved
(considering how few fall over etc) and putting guys up when they
weren't in use, probably not practical / cost effective?

Cheers, T i m

snip

What I could never get was why they were not guyed up, as the windage on
the cab area is huge.
Brian


Indeed, i had to climb one in London many years ago to put a radio in
one to talk to the banks men on the ground, was up around 200 odd feet
and just getting to the cab and the bloody ladder slipped a few feet
thought this was it!, but it stopped and after composing myself and
offering tanks to a deity for my existence! got to the cab to be met by
the driver who did apologise about the duff bit of ladder said he'd run
out of big Tywraps to hold it in place as he know about it and as no one
else came up there etc!!!

Still offered a cup of tea was warned not to have too much as he didn't
want to have to share his pee bottle! apparently it blows all over the
place before hitting anyone on the ground when emptied! Quite spacious
in there and great view.

But sometimes they've have to odd collision when working close to each
other which i believe they rarefy do these days.

Amazing bit of engineering all the same and the one thats collapsed an
investigation is ongoing as it was being put up at the time...

--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article , T i m
scribeth thus
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:34:09 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
wrote:

I think that permanent guying would cause more issues than they solved
(considering how few fall over etc) and putting guys up when they
weren't in use, probably not practical / cost effective?

Cheers, T i m

snip

What I could never get was why they were not guyed up, as the windage on
the cab area is huge.
Brian


Indeed, i had to climb one in London many years ago to put a radio in
one to talk to the banks men on the ground, was up around 200 odd feet
and just getting to the cab and the bloody ladder slipped a few feet
thought this was it!, but it stopped and after composing myself and
offering tanks to a deity for my existence! got to the cab to be met by
the driver who did apologise about the duff bit of ladder said he'd run
out of big Tywraps to hold it in place as he know about it and as no one
else came up there etc!!!

Still offered a cup of tea was warned not to have too much as he didn't
want to have to share his pee bottle! apparently it blows all over the
place before hitting anyone on the ground when emptied! Quite spacious
in there and great view.

But sometimes they've have to odd collision when working close to each
other which i believe they rarefy do these days.

Amazing bit of engineering all the same and the one thats collapsed an
investigation is ongoing as it was being put up at the time...

--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article , T i m
scribeth thus
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:34:09 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
wrote:

I think that permanent guying would cause more issues than they solved
(considering how few fall over etc) and putting guys up when they
weren't in use, probably not practical / cost effective?

Cheers, T i m

snip

What I could never get was why they were not guyed up, as the windage on
the cab area is huge.
Brian


Indeed, i had to climb one in London many years ago to put a radio in
one to talk to the banks men on the ground, was up around 200 odd feet
and just getting to the cab and the bloody ladder slipped a few feet
thought this was it!, but it stopped and after composing myself and
offering tanks to a deity for my existence! got to the cab to be met by
the driver who did apologise about the duff bit of ladder said he'd run
out of big Tywraps to hold it in place as he know about it and as no one
else came up there etc!!!

Still offered a cup of tea was warned not to have too much as he didn't
want to have to share his pee bottle! apparently it blows all over the
place before hitting anyone on the ground when emptied! Quite spacious
in there and great view.

But sometimes they've have to odd collision when working close to each
other which i believe they rarefy do these days.

Amazing bit of engineering all the same and the one thats collapsed an
investigation is ongoing as it was being put up at the time...

--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

In article , T i m
scribeth thus
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:34:09 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
wrote:

I think that permanent guying would cause more issues than they solved
(considering how few fall over etc) and putting guys up when they
weren't in use, probably not practical / cost effective?

Cheers, T i m

snip

What I could never get was why they were not guyed up, as the windage on
the cab area is huge.
Brian


Indeed, i had to climb one in London many years ago to put a radio in
one to talk to the banks men on the ground, was up around 200 odd feet
and just getting to the cab and the bloody ladder slipped a few feet
thought this was it!, but it stopped and after composing myself and
offering tanks to a deity for my existence! got to the cab to be met by
the driver who did apologise about the duff bit of ladder said he'd run
out of big Tywraps to hold it in place as he know about it and as no one
else came up there etc!!!

Still offered a cup of tea was warned not to have too much as he didn't
want to have to share his pee bottle! apparently it blows all over the
place before hitting anyone on the ground when emptied! Quite spacious
in there and great view.

But sometimes they've have to odd collision when working close to each
other which i believe they rarefy do these days.

Amazing bit of engineering all the same and the one thats collapsed an
investigation is ongoing as it was being put up at the time...

--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 16:41:45 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:11:04 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:39:31 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

never trusted tower cranes

Take a look on the hire label.
If it's Costain they don't stay up long.

As an apprentice to a site electrician I was given the dubious task of
wiring up the pendant control on a second hand tower crane they had
bought from France and re-assembled on-site.

I had numerous run ins over the years.

They have a H&S policy that puts things right back to the old
construction days of do it my way or you are out.

One particular example was when trying to get onsite to do a job. My
paperwork didn't suit.

They gave me their rubbish to sign, which I didn't as it was for the
wrong job. It had their gobledegook and stupid pictures in it though
so it was acceptable!


Numerous times I tried to warn them before I did the job and
afterwards tried to raise a H&S incident.

All the noise and contact emails dried up as if by magic.

I then looked into the companies activities, they had just been find
half a million for a crane topple in London, the basic reason was that
the management didn't listen to the crane drivers concerns.

Like a lot of construction sites, they are spot on with Hi viz
policing, just don't let 'em loose with anything dangerous!

AB


From the well pummelled keyboard of Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 16:41:45 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:11:04 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:39:31 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

never trusted tower cranes

Take a look on the hire label.
If it's Costain they don't stay up long.

As an apprentice to a site electrician I was given the dubious task of
wiring up the pendant control on a second hand tower crane they had
bought from France and re-assembled on-site.

I had numerous run ins over the years.

They have a H&S policy that puts things right back to the old
construction days of do it my way or you are out.

One particular example was when trying to get onsite to do a job. My
paperwork didn't suit.

They gave me their rubbish to sign, which I didn't as it was for the
wrong job. It had their gobledegook and stupid pictures in it though
so it was acceptable!


Numerous times I tried to warn them before I did the job and
afterwards tried to raise a H&S incident.

All the noise and contact emails dried up as if by magic.

I then looked into the companies activities, they had just been find
half a million for a crane topple in London, the basic reason was that
the management didn't listen to the crane drivers concerns.

Like a lot of construction sites, they are spot on with Hi viz
policing, just don't let 'em loose with anything dangerous!

AB


From the well pummelled keyboard of Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 16:41:45 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:11:04 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:39:31 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

never trusted tower cranes

Take a look on the hire label.
If it's Costain they don't stay up long.

As an apprentice to a site electrician I was given the dubious task of
wiring up the pendant control on a second hand tower crane they had
bought from France and re-assembled on-site.

I had numerous run ins over the years.

They have a H&S policy that puts things right back to the old
construction days of do it my way or you are out.

One particular example was when trying to get onsite to do a job. My
paperwork didn't suit.

They gave me their rubbish to sign, which I didn't as it was for the
wrong job. It had their gobledegook and stupid pictures in it though
so it was acceptable!


Numerous times I tried to warn them before I did the job and
afterwards tried to raise a H&S incident.

All the noise and contact emails dried up as if by magic.

I then looked into the companies activities, they had just been find
half a million for a crane topple in London, the basic reason was that
the management didn't listen to the crane drivers concerns.

Like a lot of construction sites, they are spot on with Hi viz
policing, just don't let 'em loose with anything dangerous!

AB


From the well pummelled keyboard of Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 16:41:45 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:11:04 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:39:31 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:

never trusted tower cranes

Take a look on the hire label.
If it's Costain they don't stay up long.

As an apprentice to a site electrician I was given the dubious task of
wiring up the pendant control on a second hand tower crane they had
bought from France and re-assembled on-site.

I had numerous run ins over the years.

They have a H&S policy that puts things right back to the old
construction days of do it my way or you are out.

One particular example was when trying to get onsite to do a job. My
paperwork didn't suit.

They gave me their rubbish to sign, which I didn't as it was for the
wrong job. It had their gobledegook and stupid pictures in it though
so it was acceptable!


Numerous times I tried to warn them before I did the job and
afterwards tried to raise a H&S incident.

All the noise and contact emails dried up as if by magic.

I then looked into the companies activities, they had just been find
half a million for a crane topple in London, the basic reason was that
the management didn't listen to the crane drivers concerns.

Like a lot of construction sites, they are spot on with Hi viz
policing, just don't let 'em loose with anything dangerous!

AB


From the well pummelled keyboard of Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq

On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:00:15 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

snip

Indeed, i had to climb one in London many years ago to put a radio in
one to talk to the banks men on the ground, was up around 200 odd feet
and just getting to the cab and the bloody ladder slipped a few feet
thought this was it!,

Feck, I bet that got the heart going!

but it stopped and after composing myself and
offering tanks to a deity for my existence! got to the cab to be met by
the driver who did apologise about the duff bit of ladder said he'd run
out of big Tywraps to hold it in place as he know about it and as no one
else came up there etc!!!

Ooops.

Still offered a cup of tea was warned not to have too much as he didn't
want to have to share his pee bottle!

I was thinking that as you said it ...

apparently it blows all over the
place before hitting anyone on the ground when emptied!

Ewww.

Quite spacious
in there and great view.

Especially of the helecopters. ;-(

But sometimes they've have to odd collision when working close to each
other which i believe they rarefy do these days.

Again, I've often wondered that, seeing how close they can be,
especially those on the corners of buildings.

Amazing bit of engineering all the same and the one thats collapsed an
investigation is ongoing as it was being put up at the time...

Yeah, terrible but amazing that only one person died (I believe it was
an elderly woman) ... survive the war and Covid19 then ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Does this bring back any memories? ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INbKYq0G9nU

On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:00:15 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

snip

Indeed, i had to climb one in London many years ago to put a radio in
one to talk to the banks men on the ground, was up around 200 odd feet
and just getting to the cab and the bloody ladder slipped a few feet
thought this was it!,

Feck, I bet that got the heart going!

but it stopped and after composing myself and
offering tanks to a deity for my existence! got to the cab to be met by
the driver who did apologise about the duff bit of ladder said he'd run
out of big Tywraps to hold it in place as he know about it and as no one
else came up there etc!!!

Ooops.

Still offered a cup of tea was warned not to have too much as he didn't
want to have to share his pee bottle!

I was thinking that as you said it ...

apparently it blows all over the
place before hitting anyone on the ground when emptied!

Ewww.

Quite spacious
in there and great view.

Especially of the helecopters. ;-(

But sometimes they've have to odd collision when working close to each
other which i believe they rarefy do these days.

Again, I've often wondered that, seeing how close they can be,
especially those on the corners of buildings.

Amazing bit of engineering all the same and the one thats collapsed an
investigation is ongoing as it was being put up at the time...

Yeah, terrible but amazing that only one person died (I believe it was
an elderly woman) ... survive the war and Covid19 then ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Does this bring back any memories? ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INbKYq0G9nU

On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:00:15 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

snip

Indeed, i had to climb one in London many years ago to put a radio in
one to talk to the banks men on the ground, was up around 200 odd feet
and just getting to the cab and the bloody ladder slipped a few feet
thought this was it!,

Feck, I bet that got the heart going!

but it stopped and after composing myself and
offering tanks to a deity for my existence! got to the cab to be met by
the driver who did apologise about the duff bit of ladder said he'd run
out of big Tywraps to hold it in place as he know about it and as no one
else came up there etc!!!

Ooops.

Still offered a cup of tea was warned not to have too much as he didn't
want to have to share his pee bottle!

I was thinking that as you said it ...

apparently it blows all over the
place before hitting anyone on the ground when emptied!

Ewww.

Quite spacious
in there and great view.

Especially of the helecopters. ;-(

But sometimes they've have to odd collision when working close to each
other which i believe they rarefy do these days.

Again, I've often wondered that, seeing how close they can be,
especially those on the corners of buildings.

Amazing bit of engineering all the same and the one thats collapsed an
investigation is ongoing as it was being put up at the time...

Yeah, terrible but amazing that only one person died (I believe it was
an elderly woman) ... survive the war and Covid19 then ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Does this bring back any memories? ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INbKYq0G9nU

On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:00:15 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

snip

Indeed, i had to climb one in London many years ago to put a radio in
one to talk to the banks men on the ground, was up around 200 odd feet
and just getting to the cab and the bloody ladder slipped a few feet
thought this was it!,

Feck, I bet that got the heart going!

but it stopped and after composing myself and
offering tanks to a deity for my existence! got to the cab to be met by
the driver who did apologise about the duff bit of ladder said he'd run
out of big Tywraps to hold it in place as he know about it and as no one
else came up there etc!!!

Ooops.

Still offered a cup of tea was warned not to have too much as he didn't
want to have to share his pee bottle!

I was thinking that as you said it ...

apparently it blows all over the
place before hitting anyone on the ground when emptied!

Ewww.

Quite spacious
in there and great view.

Especially of the helecopters. ;-(

But sometimes they've have to odd collision when working close to each
other which i believe they rarefy do these days.

Again, I've often wondered that, seeing how close they can be,
especially those on the corners of buildings.

Amazing bit of engineering all the same and the one thats collapsed an
investigation is ongoing as it was being put up at the time...

Yeah, terrible but amazing that only one person died (I believe it was
an elderly woman) ... survive the war and Covid19 then ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Does this bring back any memories? ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INbKYq0G9nU

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:23:27 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

snip

Like a lot of construction sites, they are spot on with Hi viz
policing, just don't let 'em loose with anything dangerous!

I believe a few people had died on this site. One was an explosion,
another where someone dug up a high voltage cable with a JCB and
another with an overloaded crane and the load landing on someone. ;-(

None were 'direct' personal accidents as such, but of a consequence of
something going wrong because of bad practice / poor maintenance.


Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 23:13:14 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:23:27 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
wrote:

snip

Like a lot of construction sites, they are spot on with Hi viz
policing, just don't let 'em loose with anything dangerous!

I believe a few people had died on this site. One was an explosion,
another where someone dug up a high voltage cable with a JCB and
another with an overloaded crane and the load landing on someone. ;-(

None were 'direct' personal accidents as such, but of a consequence of
something going wrong because of bad practice / poor maintenance.


Cheers, T i m

Accidents never have the single obvious cause that the hi vis spotters
delight in picking up. There is almost always a chain of events
leading to the incident.

Not listening is really common, a lot of sites I attended didn't
listen, or want to listen.

Opening statement on the method statement I brought to site with me:

This method statement will be read along with the risk assessment
before work commences.

I don't think I ever fully discussed one set of RAMS ever.

No one was interested, they would never listen past the first few
pages.

The only thing I would say, is that generally the UK has a bit of an
edge on health & safety. Certainly better than Ireland.

As to whether it will last........?

Of course "nanny state" merchants will be glad to have blood splashing
down the streets, and all those black & white TV adverts informing
people how not to croak at work back onthe box!


AB

From the well pummelled keyboard of Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq