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Old January 24th 04, 07:33 PM
David McCulloch
 
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Where do I find a replacement for a (rare?) 1957 Crane sink?

Here's a picture of it that I took a few minutes ago:
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink

Eleven days ago, a plumber broke the porcelain drain component of my only
bathroom's Crane sink (yes, we've been without a sink for that long and will
probably be without one for several more weeks!).

It and the vanity are somewhat custom configured (for example, the sink
overhangs -- and is somewhat cut into -- the front of the vanity), so the
plumber wanted to charge my wife $1,100 to fix the problem. After I called
him, he was willing to use his insurance, but both of us would like to find
a win-win scenario if possible. To avoid expensive (and less attractive)
vanity work, we would like to locate a replacement sink. How could we do
that?

Markings are as follows:

July 19, 1957

CRANE
PACIE/C (the "IE" is a bit difficult to read)
All China

77 (this is stamped all by itself)

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Dave
e - m a i l a d d r e s s
i s d b m at e x e c p c . c o m



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Old January 24th 04, 09:09 PM
Speedy Jim
 
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David McCulloch wrote:

Where do I find a replacement for a (rare?) 1957 Crane sink?

Here's a picture of it that I took a few minutes ago:
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink

Eleven days ago, a plumber broke the porcelain drain component of my only
bathroom's Crane sink (yes, we've been without a sink for that long and will
probably be without one for several more weeks!).

It and the vanity are somewhat custom configured (for example, the sink
overhangs -- and is somewhat cut into -- the front of the vanity), so the
plumber wanted to charge my wife $1,100 to fix the problem. After I called
him, he was willing to use his insurance, but both of us would like to find
a win-win scenario if possible. To avoid expensive (and less attractive)
vanity work, we would like to locate a replacement sink. How could we do
that?

Markings are as follows:

July 19, 1957

CRANE
PACIE/C (the "IE" is a bit difficult to read)
All China

77 (this is stamped all by itself)


You're in for a tough hunt.
Maybe start he
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=salvage+sinks

Call some of the listings and ask if they have resources they
can call upon to help with the search.

Jim
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Old January 24th 04, 11:20 PM
David McCulloch
 
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"Speedy Jim" wrote in message ...
David McCulloch wrote:

Where do I find a replacement for a (rare?) 1957 Crane sink?

Here's a picture of it that I took a few minutes ago:
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink

Eleven days ago, a plumber broke the porcelain drain component of my

only
bathroom's Crane sink (yes, we've been without a sink for that long and

will
probably be without one for several more weeks!).

It and the vanity are somewhat custom configured (for example, the sink
overhangs -- and is somewhat cut into -- the front of the vanity), so

the
plumber wanted to charge my wife $1,100 to fix the problem. After I

called
him, he was willing to use his insurance, but both of us would like to

find
a win-win scenario if possible. To avoid expensive (and less

attractive)
vanity work, we would like to locate a replacement sink. How could we

do
that?

Markings are as follows:

July 19, 1957

CRANE
PACIE/C (the "IE" is a bit difficult to read)
All China

77 (this is stamped all by itself)


You're in for a tough hunt.
Maybe start he
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=salvage+sinks

Call some of the listings and ask if they have resources they
can call upon to help with the search.

Jim


Jim,
You are correct -- it is a tough hunt! I followed the link that you gave
me, but most of them don't directly deal with Crane sinks. I sent one
dealer an email message, but I am running out of ideas. Milwaukee's yellow
pages lists only one used plumbing supply dealer and I didn't see anything
close to plumbing under salvage.

I tried to search under Crane and found a "Crane Plumbing" and although
their logo looked familiar, I'm not sure that they are the same company (I
thought that they went out of business or stopped making sinks in the 70's).

I hope that my plumber has better luck than me, I had to tell him that the
sink was made by Crane!

Anyway, thanks for your help.

Dave


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Old January 25th 04, 02:28 PM
 
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MOVE ON !!

Go down to LOWES, pick out a new sink,
have it installed, and start washing again.

In your old age, you can tell your grandchildren
about "the fa-bu-lus Crane sink"......

rj





On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:33:47 -0600, "David McCulloch" |@|.| wrote:

Where do I find a replacement for a (rare?) 1957 Crane sink?

Here's a picture of it that I took a few minutes ago:
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink

Eleven days ago, a plumber broke the porcelain drain component of my only
bathroom's Crane sink (yes, we've been without a sink for that long and will
probably be without one for several more weeks!).

It and the vanity are somewhat custom configured (for example, the sink
overhangs -- and is somewhat cut into -- the front of the vanity), so the
plumber wanted to charge my wife $1,100 to fix the problem. After I called
him, he was willing to use his insurance, but both of us would like to find
a win-win scenario if possible. To avoid expensive (and less attractive)
vanity work, we would like to locate a replacement sink. How could we do
that?

Markings are as follows:

July 19, 1957

CRANE
PACIE/C (the "IE" is a bit difficult to read)
All China

77 (this is stamped all by itself)

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Dave
e - m a i l a d d r e s s
i s d b m at e x e c p c . c o m


rj
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Old January 25th 04, 03:12 PM
David McCulloch
 
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RJ,
I would love to be able to put in a regular sink, but to do that, I would
have to:

1. Replace the vanity top.
2. Fix or replace the vanity that was cut on the front to hold the extended
Crane sink.
3. Worry about the custom sized vanity (it's a relatively small space that
extends out and beyond the corner).
4. Worry about removing the vanity without breaking the tile wall.
5. Worry if the mirror will fall down (some of its weight appears to be
resting on the vanity).

That's why the plumber would want to charge $1,100 if nothing else went
wrong.

Take another look at the photo and you'll see what I mean.
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink

FYI, I was having this work done to delay a $16,000 bathroom remodeling job
by a year or two.

Dave


"RJ" wrote in message
...
MOVE ON !!

Go down to LOWES, pick out a new sink,
have it installed, and start washing again.

In your old age, you can tell your grandchildren
about "the fa-bu-lus Crane sink"......

rj





On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:33:47 -0600, "David McCulloch" |@|.| wrote:

Where do I find a replacement for a (rare?) 1957 Crane sink?

Here's a picture of it that I took a few minutes ago:
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink

Eleven days ago, a plumber broke the porcelain drain component of my only
bathroom's Crane sink (yes, we've been without a sink for that long and

will
probably be without one for several more weeks!).

It and the vanity are somewhat custom configured (for example, the sink
overhangs -- and is somewhat cut into -- the front of the vanity), so the
plumber wanted to charge my wife $1,100 to fix the problem. After I

called
him, he was willing to use his insurance, but both of us would like to

find
a win-win scenario if possible. To avoid expensive (and less attractive)
vanity work, we would like to locate a replacement sink. How could we do
that?

Markings are as follows:

July 19, 1957

CRANE
PACIE/C (the "IE" is a bit difficult to read)
All China

77 (this is stamped all by itself)

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Dave
e - m a i l a d d r e s s
i s d b m at e x e c p c . c o m


rj





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Old January 25th 04, 04:08 PM
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"David McCulloch" |@|.| wrote in message
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RJ,
I would love to be able to put in a regular sink, but to do that, I would
have to:

1. Replace the vanity top.
2. Fix or replace the vanity that was cut on the front to hold the

extended
Crane sink.
3. Worry about the custom sized vanity (it's a relatively small space

that
extends out and beyond the corner).
4. Worry about removing the vanity without breaking the tile wall.
5. Worry if the mirror will fall down (some of its weight appears to be
resting on the vanity).

That's why the plumber would want to charge $1,100 if nothing else went
wrong.

Take another look at the photo and you'll see what I mean.
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink

FYI, I was having this work done to delay a $16,000 bathroom remodeling

job
by a year or two.

Dave

I'm confused- exactly what is broken, again? I can't see any damage in the
picture. Is the cast-in overflow tube underneath broken, or something? You
could always just mud the crack and the overflow inlet over with expoxy and
Just Be Careful, to tide you over till you get a proper solution.

I agree with the others- an architectual salvage yard is your only hope for
an exact replacement. But I don't think changing out the vanity top would be
that big a deal. Unless some idiot glued the mirror to the wall, pulling a
few clips should take it loose. Unhook sink, and lift it out, and unscrew
the screws through top of vanity into countertop. It probably was not glued
down in 1957. In picture, tile runs behind countertop, so that is probably
not an issue. A little utility knife work to break any caulk lines, and some
careful prying with a flat prybar, and it should pop right out of there.
Then just carry the top to the local Formica place, and tell them to make
you one just like it, but without the big notch. If you carry the new
drop-in sink with you, they can even make that hole. On the front of the
vanity, just make a faux drawer front to match the others, and mount it over
the notch, and paint to match. A PITA, to be sure, but not that big a deal.

I love that late '50s modern look- makes me feel like a kid again. I'd
hesitate before nuking bathroom and putting in ultramodern- it won't look
right with rest of the house. And if cast-iron tub is as clean and shiny as
the sink, it'd be a sin to junk it.

aem sends.....

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Old January 25th 04, 08:28 PM
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I'm confused- exactly what is broken, again? I can't see any damage in the
picture. Is the cast-in overflow tube underneath broken, or something?



That's true. The damage is under the sink. When the plumber was removing
the old drain and installing a new one (Crane's drain assemblies are
proprietary), he broke the fitting.

I just added a 2nd picture to the web page. It shows the damage.
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink


You could always just mud the crack and the overflow inlet over
with expoxy and Just Be Careful, to tide you over till you get a
proper solution.



I like your idea of attempting a repair. If it works, that might be the
easiest, cheapest and highest quality alternative. I couldn't find the
pieces that broke off (I hope the plumber didn't dispose of them; I told him
to save all parts), but if I do, I will consider epoxying them back. I've
used that method very successfully for a garbage disposal problem. It might
just work with the sink. Do you know if there is any difference between
Crane's "all china" material and normal porcelain?


...I don't think changing out the vanity top would be that big a deal.



I appreciate the support. You've given me some great suggestions. Thanks
very much!


I love that late '50s modern look- makes me feel like a kid again. I'd
hesitate before nuking bathroom and putting in ultramodern- it won't
look right with rest of the house.



Actually, I like the bathroom's appearance, too. I just wish its components
weren't so rare! For example, my toilet is a Case 1000-1100. It's a great
toilet. One website even says this:

"CASE one-piece toilets, the 'Cadillac' of it's day! No mamby-pamby 1.6gpf
for this baby. A Toilet in the tradition of Al Bundy's 'Ferguson' without
the noise! A toilet known for it's style and quiet efficiency. As we enter
the new century, this classic is a rare and valuable find."
http://casetoilets.bestmfgco.com/

Unfortunately, the toilet is listed under "hard to find parts". When I
searched Google's Usenet messages for the toilet, I was not encouraged to
read things like:

"OhmyGawd! This has to be one of USENETs GREATEST MOMENTS! I own FOUR Case
Toilets Model 1000-1100 in my home and not only that...I have invested HOURS
in renovating them..."

Every 5-years or so when it needs to be fixed, I have to pay about $500 to
replace all of its brass fittings!


Anyway, thanks very much for everything you've said. If you have any more
suggestions about how to fix that ceramic drain, I'd be all ears!

Dave


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Old January 25th 04, 09:22 PM
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David McCulloch wrote:

That's true. The damage is under the sink. When the plumber was
removing the old drain and installing a new one (Crane's drain
assemblies are proprietary), he broke the fitting.

I just added a 2nd picture to the web page. It shows the damage.
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink
Dave


Have you thought about a repair? I'm thinking epoxy and fiberglass cloth or
something along those lines. It is not a pressure fitting so there may be a
good way to fix something like that.

Your sink is retro looking and "outdated" by today's standards, but it looks
to be in perfect condition. This style is very fashionalbe in the right
house and should be saved. Doubtful you'll find another used one anywhere
near as nice. There must be an acceptable way of fixing what you have. Talk
to a renovator or restorer if necessary.

--
Ed

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:28:52 -0600, "David McCulloch" |@|.| wrote:

I'm confused- exactly what is broken, again? I can't see any damage in the
picture. Is the cast-in overflow tube underneath broken, or something?



That's true. The damage is under the sink. When the plumber was removing
the old drain and installing a new one (Crane's drain assemblies are
proprietary), he broke the fitting.

I just added a 2nd picture to the web page. It shows the damage.
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink


You could always just mud the crack and the overflow inlet over
with expoxy and Just Be Careful, to tide you over till you get a
proper solution.



I like your idea of attempting a repair. If it works, that might be the
easiest, cheapest and highest quality alternative. I couldn't find the
pieces that broke off (I hope the plumber didn't dispose of them; I told him
to save all parts), but if I do, I will consider epoxying them back. I've
used that method very successfully for a garbage disposal problem. It might
just work with the sink. Do you know if there is any difference between
Crane's "all china" material and normal porcelain?


...I don't think changing out the vanity top would be that big a deal.



I appreciate the support. You've given me some great suggestions. Thanks
very much!


I love that late '50s modern look- makes me feel like a kid again. I'd
hesitate before nuking bathroom and putting in ultramodern- it won't
look right with rest of the house.



Actually, I like the bathroom's appearance, too. I just wish its components
weren't so rare! For example, my toilet is a Case 1000-1100. It's a great
toilet. One website even says this:

"CASE one-piece toilets, the 'Cadillac' of it's day! No mamby-pamby 1.6gpf
for this baby. A Toilet in the tradition of Al Bundy's 'Ferguson' without
the noise! A toilet known for it's style and quiet efficiency. As we enter
the new century, this classic is a rare and valuable find."
http://casetoilets.bestmfgco.com/

Unfortunately, the toilet is listed under "hard to find parts". When I
searched Google's Usenet messages for the toilet, I was not encouraged to
read things like:

"OhmyGawd! This has to be one of USENETs GREATEST MOMENTS! I own FOUR Case
Toilets Model 1000-1100 in my home and not only that...I have invested HOURS
in renovating them..."

Every 5-years or so when it needs to be fixed, I have to pay about $500 to
replace all of its brass fittings!


Anyway, thanks very much for everything you've said. If you have any more
suggestions about how to fix that ceramic drain, I'd be all ears!

Dave


If the broken-out section is in one or two pieces it'd be a
piece-a-cake to epoxy. Just don't over-tighten the fitting like the
jerk plumber did.

...Jim Thompson
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"David McCulloch" |@|.| wrote in message
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I'm confused- exactly what is broken, again? I can't see any damage in

the
picture. Is the cast-in overflow tube underneath broken, or something?



That's true. The damage is under the sink. When the plumber was removing
the old drain and installing a new one (Crane's drain assemblies are
proprietary), he broke the fitting.

I just added a 2nd picture to the web page. It shows the damage.
http://www.execpc.com/~dbm/sink

Oh, yeah, I would definitely try epoxy to repair. At this point, you have
nothing to lose. If you can find the chips, great, but even then I would
just mud the drain assemply in place with the epoxy, to ensure a good water
seal at the bottom. When you finally remodel, you'll have to cut it out with
a saw, but at that point you won't care. Scuff up the shiny part of the
china to get a good bond, and use the fiber tape to tie it all together.

Impressive quality on the pictures, by the way. Wish my toy Nikon digital
did as well on closeups.

aem sends....



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