Some south facing exterior timber window frames were painted with Leyland undercoat & gloss topcoat, both oil based. The wood was in sound condition, and the old paint was all stripped off due to its poor condition. Now the paint is flaking badly a year later! How can a repeat of this failure be avoided?


NT

On 20/05/2020 15:49, wrote:
Some south facing exterior timber window frames were painted with Leyland undercoat & gloss topcoat, both oil based. The wood was in sound condition, and the old paint was all stripped off due to its poor condition. Now the paint is flaking badly a year later! How can a repeat of this failure be avoided?


Chemicals from previously stripped paint leaching from the wood and
attacking the undercoat???? Perhaps a paint formulated as a sealer
applied first?


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On 20/05/2020 15:49, wrote:
Some south facing exterior timber window frames were painted with Leyland undercoat & gloss topcoat, both oil based. The wood was in sound condition, and the old paint was all stripped off due to its poor condition. Now the paint is flaking badly a year later! How can a repeat of this failure be avoided?


NT


Fo a similar problem I am planning to cover the top coatwith a marine
(yacht) varnish.


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On 20/05/2020 15:49, wrote:
Some south facing exterior timber window frames were painted with
Leyland undercoat & gloss topcoat, both oil based. The wood was in
sound condition, and the old paint was all stripped off due to its
poor condition. Now the paint is flaking badly a year later! How can
a repeat of this failure be avoided?

That is a fairly decent quality paint so it almost certainly has to be
bad preparation of the surface to be painted or moisture still trapped
in the wood when it was painted. Frost or excessive temperature
variation before the paint had fully cured might be a possibility too.

Do you have a picture of a flake (underside) and the surface it flaked off?

It is the top coat only or is the undercoat and top coat coming away
from the wood surface. South facing is the most stressful direction for
a painted surface to face but it should last a lot longer than that.

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Some south facing exterior timber window frames were painted with Leyland undercoat & gloss topcoat, both oil based. The wood was in sound condition, and the old paint was all stripped off due to its poor condition. Now the paint is flaking badly a year later! How can a repeat of this failure be avoided?


NT


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Martin Brown wrote:
On 20/05/2020 15:49, wrote:
Some south facing exterior timber window frames were painted with
Leyland undercoat & gloss topcoat, both oil based. The wood was in
sound condition, and the old paint was all stripped off due to its
poor condition. Now the paint is flaking badly a year later! How can
a repeat of this failure be avoided?

That is a fairly decent quality paint so it almost certainly has to be
bad preparation of the surface to be painted or moisture still trapped
in the wood when it was painted. Frost or excessive temperature
variation before the paint had fully cured might be a possibility too.

Do you have a picture of a flake (underside) and the surface it flaked
off?

It is the top coat only or is the undercoat and top coat coming away
from the wood surface. South facing is the most stressful direction for
a painted surface to face but it should last a lot longer than that.

or the wood has dried out. I solved this problem once, but putting linsead
oil on the wood and letting it soak in before painting.

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On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:55:22 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
On 20/05/2020 15:49, tabbypurr wrote:

Some south facing exterior timber window frames were painted with Leyland undercoat & gloss topcoat, both oil based. The wood was in sound condition, and the old paint was all stripped off due to its poor condition. Now the paint is flaking badly a year later! How can a repeat of this failure be avoided?


Chemicals from previously stripped paint leaching from the wood and
attacking the undercoat???? Perhaps a paint formulated as a sealer
applied first?

The only chemicals on/in the wood are any traces from the previous paint, which was also alkyd and didn't fail prematurely. So I don't think the issue is chemical residue this time.


NT

On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:31:34 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:
On 20/05/2020 15:49, tabbypurr wrote:

Some south facing exterior timber window frames were painted with
Leyland undercoat & gloss topcoat, both oil based. The wood was in
sound condition, and the old paint was all stripped off due to its
poor condition. Now the paint is flaking badly a year later! How can
a repeat of this failure be avoided?

That is a fairly decent quality paint

I've always been happy with Leyland, pretty good stuff. But this batch was problematic to apply. It had no interest in covering even the tiniest of microcracks on the previous paint, so every little bit had to come off.


so it almost certainly has to be
bad preparation of the surface to be painted or moisture still trapped
in the wood when it was painted. Frost or excessive temperature
variation before the paint had fully cured might be a possibility too.

Do you have a picture of a flake (underside) and the surface it flaked off?

It is the top coat only or is the undercoat and top coat coming away
from the wood surface. South facing is the most stressful direction for
a painted surface to face but it should last a lot longer than that.

Surface prep was a thorough scrape off. No chemicals were used, no water. All cracks were filled with linseed putty, which I've never known to have a problem with alkyd gloss. Layers applied were Leyland undercoat (alkyd) & Leyland gloss topcoat.
The wood was dry.
Weather was too warm for frost.
I'll pull some flakes off later for closer inspection.


NT

Is it a dark colour?
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Some south facing exterior timber window frames were painted with Leyland
undercoat & gloss topcoat, both oil based. The wood was in sound condition,
and the old paint was all stripped off due to its poor condition. Now the
paint is flaking badly a year later! How can a repeat of this failure be
avoided?


NT