Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 18:53:33 +0000
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote:

Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered
110.000 miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I
never changed it was that the engine mount would have to be
removed...stupid design ....

Sod's Law says that, if you do now replace it, it will be a defective
one and will fail after 1,000 miles.

" If it ain't broke......"

( I would change it, if it was me, though").

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On 25/02/2020 19:03, Davey wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 18:53:33 +0000
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote:

Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered
110.000 miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I
never changed it was that the engine mount would have to be
removed...stupid design ....

Sod's Law says that, if you do now replace it, it will be a defective
one and will fail after 1,000 miles.

" If it ain't broke......"

( I would change it, if it was me, though").

yes leave well enough alone .....

If this just a fan belt make sure you have plenty of old tights handy.
If its more crucial, then don't take chances.
Brian

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On 25/02/2020 19:03, Davey wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 18:53:33 +0000
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote:

Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered
110.000 miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I
never changed it was that the engine mount would have to be
removed...stupid design ....

Sod's Law says that, if you do now replace it, it will be a defective
one and will fail after 1,000 miles.

" If it ain't broke......"

( I would change it, if it was me, though").

yes leave well enough alone .....

On 25/02/2020 21:29, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
If this just a fan belt make sure you have plenty of old tights handy.
If its more crucial, then don't take chances.
Brian

He doesn't wear them. Just his wife's panties.

On 25/02/2020 21:56, mm0fmf wrote:
On 25/02/2020 21:29, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
If this just a fan belt make sure you have plenty of old tights handy.
Â* If its more crucial, then don't take chances.
Â* Brian

He doesn't wear them. Just his wife's panties.


shut it chebs....

can't believe using nylons as a temporary replacement ever worked...and
certainly not with modern flat grooved belts with tensioners on the
engine...

Jim GM4DHJ ... formulated on Tuesday :
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never changed it
was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid design ....

If its a cam belt, change it to avoid the expensive noises.

On 25/02/2020 19:30, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... formulated on Tuesday :
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered
110.000 miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I
never changed it was that the engine mount would have to be
removed...stupid design ....

If its a cam belt, change it to avoid the expensive noises.
nah it is chain cam ....

On 26/02/2020 07:15, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 25/02/2020 19:30, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... formulated on Tuesday :
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered
110.000 miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I
never changed it was that the engine mount would have to be
removed...stupid design ....

If its a cam belt, change it to avoid the expensive noises.
nah it is chain cam ....

If it's a VW they break too :-(

On 26/02/2020 18:26, Andrew wrote:
On 26/02/2020 07:15, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 25/02/2020 19:30, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... formulated on Tuesday :
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered
110.000 miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I
never changed it was that the engine mount would have to be
removed...stupid design ....

If its a cam belt, change it to avoid the expensive noises.
nah it is chain cam ....

If it's a VW they break too :-(
wouldn't touch a vw.....never had a cam chain break.....

On 26/02/2020 19:33, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 26/02/2020 18:26, Andrew wrote:
On 26/02/2020 07:15, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 25/02/2020 19:30, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... formulated on Tuesday :
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered
110.000 miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason
I never changed it was that the engine mount would have to be
removed...stupid design ....

If its a cam belt, change it to avoid the expensive noises.
nah it is chain cam ....

If it's a VW they break too :-(
wouldn't touch a vw.....never had a cam chain break.....

The chain cam on the VW 1.2 TSI petrol engine does break.
Apparently all down to VW cost cutting and making the
supplier run their stamping machine longer between die
changes which resulted in stress fractures occuring in the
not-perfectly formed chain links.

Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....

Reminds me of one of my cars long ago. The handbook explained how
to replace a fan belt, but if you looked for information on the
steering pump belt, which trapped the fan belt, you were advised
that this was a workshop task. :-(

Before a continental car trip many years ago, I made sure that my
kit of bits included a spare fan belt. Some time later, back
home, I decided that it was probably time to fit it, only to
discover that I had been sold the wrong one. :-(

Chris
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On 25/02/2020 20:33, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....

Reminds me of one of my cars long ago. The handbook explained how
to replace a fan belt, but if you looked for information on the
steering pump belt, which trapped the fan belt, you were advised
that this was a workshop task. :-(

Before a continental car trip many years ago, I made sure that my
kit of bits included a spare fan belt. Some time later, back
home, I decided that it was probably time to fit it, only to
discover that I had been sold the wrong one. :-(

A VW main dealer did once sell me the wrong part. I took the old belt
with me to make sure that the next one would be the right size.


--
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On 25/02/2020 23:12, Michael Chare wrote:
On 25/02/2020 20:33, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....

Reminds me of one of my cars long ago. The handbook explained how
to replace a fan belt, but if you looked for information on the
steering pump belt, which trapped the fan belt, you were advised
that this was a workshop task. :-(

Before a continental car trip many years ago, I made sure that my
kit of bits included a spare fan belt. Some time later, back
home, I decided that it was probably time to fit it, only to
discover that I had been sold the wrong one.Â* :-(

A VW main dealer did once sell me the wrong part. I took the old belt
with me to make sure that the next one would be the right size.


I did that once, and got the wrong belt. The guy in the shop aid 'I
tried to tell you, your old one has stretched 20%'



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guns, why should we let them have ideas?

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On 25/02/2020 20:33, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....

Reminds me of one of my cars long ago. The handbook explained how
to replace a fan belt, but if you looked for information on the
steering pump belt, which trapped the fan belt, you were advised
that this was a workshop task. :-(

Before a continental car trip many years ago, I made sure that my
kit of bits included a spare fan belt. Some time later, back
home, I decided that it was probably time to fit it, only to
discover that I had been sold the wrong one. :-(

Chris

never mind it gave you a false sense of security ......

In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
Reminds me of one of my cars long ago. The handbook explained how
to replace a fan belt, but if you looked for information on the
steering pump belt, which trapped the fan belt, you were advised
that this was a workshop task. :-(

My old Rover is like that. In practice, the pump belt lasts for something
like three or four fan belts. No idea why.

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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....


Cars havent had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

Do you mean alternator/power steering pump belt or cam/water pump belt?

Tim

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On 25/02/2020 21:31, Tim+ wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....


Cars havent had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

Do you mean alternator/power steering pump belt or cam/water pump belt?

Tim


In your rush to be a pedant did you miss were he called it "the
serpentine belt" ?

On Tuesday, 25 February 2020 21:57:06 UTC, mm0fmf wrote:
On 25/02/2020 21:31, Tim+ wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

Cars havent had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

Do you mean alternator/power steering pump belt or cam/water pump belt?

Tim


In your rush to be a pedant did you miss were he called it "the
serpentine belt" ?

it powers the serpent.

On 25/02/2020 21:57, mm0fmf wrote:
On 25/02/2020 21:31, Tim+ wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....


Cars havent had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

Do you mean alternator/power steering pump belt or cam/water pump belt?

Tim


In your rush to be a pedant did you miss were he called it "the
serpentine belt" ?


do you keep a belt in your pickup chebs ....kinky

On 25/02/2020 21:31, Tim+ wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....


Cars havent had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

Do you mean alternator/power steering pump belt or cam/water pump belt?

Tim

I said serpentine belt...the fan belt bit was just to drag you wierdos
in ...tee hee

On 26/02/2020 07:19, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 25/02/2020 21:31, Tim+ wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....


Cars havent had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

Do you mean alternator/power steering pump belt or cam/water pump belt?

Tim

I said serpentine belt...the fan belt bit was just to drag you wierdos
in ...tee hee

sorry not you Tim your posts are great......

In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven‘t had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.

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On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 11:12:20 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven� had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.

AFAIK those aren't normally electric.

On 26/02/2020 11:26, wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 11:12:20 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven� had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.

AFAIK those aren't normally electric.


The term 'fan belt' is the problem. All? cars still have the belt
but it drives the water pump, alternator, air-con and sometimes
power steering too, while the fan is always thermostatically-controlled
electric in 'normal' cars.

My Astra has an electric hydraulic steering pump.

Latest Astra doesn't even have a thermostat, there is a gate
valve controlled by the ECU directly.

On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 18:37:18 UTC, Andrew wrote:
On 26/02/2020 11:26, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 11:12:20 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:

Cars haven� had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.

AFAIK those aren't normally electric.


The term 'fan belt' is the problem. All? cars still have the belt
but it drives the water pump, alternator, air-con and sometimes
power steering too, while the fan is always thermostatically-controlled
electric in 'normal' cars.

My Astra has an electric hydraulic steering pump.

Latest Astra doesn't even have a thermostat, there is a gate
valve controlled by the ECU directly.

Just trust me, ******** are not generally electric.
And no, I've not done a mass survey.

On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 18:37:18 UTC, Andrew wrote:
On 26/02/2020 11:26, wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 11:12:20 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven� had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.

AFAIK those aren't normally electric.


The term 'fan belt' is the problem. All? cars still have the belt
but it drives the water pump, alternator, air-con and sometimes
power steering too, while the fan is always thermostatically-controlled
electric in 'normal' cars.

My Astra has an electric hydraulic steering pump.

Latest Astra doesn't even have a thermostat, there is a gate
valve controlled by the ECU directly.

I have an electric car.
No belts of any description.
No clutch, gearbox, exhaust, oil, oil filter, air filter, alternator, starter motor either,

wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 11:12:20 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven� had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.

AFAIK those aren't normally electric.


So what kind of pixies drive your cooling fans? If you car is younger than
about 20 years old, theyll be electric pixies.

Tim

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On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 22:38:23 UTC, Tim+ wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 11:12:20 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven� had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.

AFAIK those aren't normally electric.


So what kind of pixies drive your cooling fans? If you car is younger than
about 20 years old, theyll be electric pixies.

Tim

One is electric, one is belt driven off the engine. But ******** still aren't electric.

In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 11:12:20 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven# had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.

AFAIK those aren't normally electric.


So what kind of pixies drive your cooling fans? If you car is younger
than about 20 years old, they‘ll be electric pixies.

Not so. Many much later than that used a temperature controlled viscous
coupling to drive an ordinary fan. Which just idles round when not needed.

To provide the same degree of cooling, you'd need an extremely powerful
electric one.

When a car is moving, the airflow through the rad means a decent viscous
coupling is going to waste a tiny amount of power, unless needed to cool
things. And when needed (like say when stopped or moving slowly, is an
electric one going to be any more efficient? After all the same belt
drives the alternator which feeds the electric motor.

Many of these setups will also have a supplementary electric fan, for the
AC, at high demand times.

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In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
wrote:
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020 11:12:20 UTC, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven# had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these
days.

********.

AFAIK those aren't normally electric.


So what kind of pixies drive your cooling fans? If you car is younger
than about 20 years old, they‘ll be electric pixies.

I've just done a quick Ebay search on viscous couple engine driven fans,
and the very first one came up as being for a car made up to 8 years ago.

Over to you to prove no current car has one.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven‘t had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.


Excepting folk who own ancient rovers and dont understand the idea that
€œfor years€� = a very long time (but not an infinitely long time).

Name a modern car with a fan belt.

Tim

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On 26/02/2020 22:38, Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven‘t had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.


Excepting folk who own ancient rovers and dont understand the idea that
€œfor years€� = a very long time (but not an infinitely long time).

Name a modern car with a fan belt.

Tim

do they not do vicious fan clutches any more?....probably too in-
efficient.....

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
On 26/02/2020 22:38, Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven€˜t had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.


Excepting folk who own ancient rovers and dont understand the idea that
€œfor years€� = a very long time (but not an infinitely long time).

Name a modern car with a fan belt.

do they not do vicious fan clutches any more?....

No point, electric fans leave them for dead.

probably too inefficient.....

And electric fans are much simpler now that
alternators mean there is plenty of electricity,

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:43:29 +0000
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote:


do they not do vicious fan clutches any more?....probably too in-
efficient.....

Were viscous clutches vicious?

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In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven‘t had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.


Excepting folk who own ancient rovers and don‘t understand the idea that
”for years• = a very long time (but not an infinitely long time).

I may own an old car, but it isn't my only one. Can't quote my more modern
one as an example as it has a mid engine and front rads, so rather
difficult to have an engine driven fan.

Name a modern car with a fan belt.

They are not normally called that these days, as they drive more than just
a fan. Commonly a serpentine belt, as they can drive from both sides of
the belt, unlike the V design of most pure fan belts.

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On 27/02/2020 13:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Cars haven€˜t had fan belts for years. Fans are all electric these days.

********.


Excepting folk who own ancient rovers and don€˜t understand the idea that
€�for years€¢ = a very long time (but not an infinitely long time).

I may own an old car, but it isn't my only one. Can't quote my more modern
one as an example as it has a mid engine and front rads, so rather
difficult to have an engine driven fan.

Name a modern car with a fan belt.

They are not normally called that these days, as they drive more than just
a fan. Commonly a serpentine belt, as they can drive from both sides of
the belt, unlike the V design of most pure fan belts.


Apart from the BMC mini and variants, which had the rad
positioned to blow hot air into the neaside wheel arch,
did any FWD car have a belt driven fan in front of a forward
facing radiator ?.

In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....

Most sensible people would change the serpentine belt according to the
maker's service schedule. But never mind - you can always just buy another
car.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 26/02/2020 11:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....

Most sensible people would change the serpentine belt according to the
maker's service schedule. But never mind - you can always just buy another
car.


Latest Peugeot engine has a cambelt that runs in oil.

Seems to be a commonm practice now :-


https://blog.motoringassist.com/car-...-bio-overview/

On 26/02/2020 18:32, Andrew wrote:
On 26/02/2020 11:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
Just realised the serpentine belt on one of my cars has covered 110.000
miles... is this normal?...it looks OK....think the reason I never
changed it was that the engine mount would have to be removed...stupid
design ....

Most sensible people would change the serpentine belt according to the
maker's service schedule. But never mind - you can always just buy
another
car.


Latest Peugeot engine has a cambelt that runs in oil.

Seems to be a commonm practice now :-


https://blog.motoringassist.com/car-...-bio-overview/

rubber and oil don't mix .....