I have had SM's now for several years, working off and on, as I changed
supplier and they have stopped being Smart, needing to be swapped out
so they will be Smart again.

I moved to Eon 12 months ago, the meters stopped bing smart and was
told they would be swapped in May, that was later put back to July, now
November and it still hasn't happened.

I have just rug Eon on another matter and took the opportunity to ask
when the SM's might be upgraded to become smart again. The latest
information now, is that it will not be done for another 18 months.
Likely by then, I will have moved suppliers again..

The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now are
able to be used by all energy companies, but the older ones were not. Not
only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well, no doubt
designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all those early smart
meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in favour off the new improved
all singing ones, till the next problems surface.. Cynic, me?
Brian

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I have had SM's now for several years, working off and on, as I changed
supplier and they have stopped being Smart, needing to be swapped out so
they will be Smart again.

I moved to Eon 12 months ago, the meters stopped bing smart and was told
they would be swapped in May, that was later put back to July, now
November and it still hasn't happened.

I have just rug Eon on another matter and took the opportunity to ask when
the SM's might be upgraded to become smart again. The latest information
now, is that it will not be done for another 18 months. Likely by then, I
will have moved suppliers again..

Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely :
The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now are
able to be used by all energy companies, but the older ones were not. Not
only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well, no doubt
designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all those early smart
meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in favour off the new improved
all singing ones, till the next problems surface.. Cynic, me?

Eon and others have several times that they don't replace the meters,
they will just update the software. Whether they can do that in the
field or not, they didn't say, but I would not have thought so - it
would be easier for them to just run and exchange scheme.

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Eon and others have several times that they don't replace the meters,
they will just update the software.

My meters were fitted by eon, originally they were on the "will be
upgraded" list, but now it seems they're no longer on the list.

Andy Burns formulated the question :
My meters were fitted by eon, originally they were on the "will be upgraded"
list, but now it seems they're no longer on the list.

I'm thinking that once the SM's are installed, working as SM's or not,
they have fulfilled the governments need to have them fitted.

On 27/11/2019 21:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andy Burns formulated the question :
My meters were fitted by eon, originally they were on the "will be
upgraded" list, but now it seems they're no longer on the list.

I'm thinking that once the SM's are installed, working as SM's or not,
they have fulfilled the governments need to have them fitted.

That's a good reason NOT to have a smart meter.

The old meters cannot have their problems fixed as its part hardware and
part firmware according to EDF. I'm glad now I have waited till now. I think
mine is pencilled in for next Spring. I just hope the units are not
interference causing devices that is all. Should be simple as I only have
the electricity and will need the talking remote unit. I'd rather like a
system where I can control it with alexa though, but they said not yet.
Brian

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Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely :
The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now are
able to be used by all energy companies, but the older ones were not.
Not only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well, no doubt
designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all those early
smart meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in favour off the new
improved all singing ones, till the next problems surface.. Cynic, me?

Eon and others have several times that they don't replace the meters, they
will just update the software. Whether they can do that in the field or
not, they didn't say, but I would not have thought so - it would be easier
for them to just run and exchange scheme.

Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote on 28/11/2019 :
I'd rather like a system where I can control it with alexa though, but they
said not yet.

I would rather like ones where I could optionally tap into their data
via my LAN.

On 28/11/2019 10:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote on 28/11/2019 :
*I'd rather like a system where I can control it with alexa though,
but they said not yet.

I would rather like ones where I could optionally tap into their data
via my LAN.

Won't that enable the energy company to have access to your network?

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On 28/11/2019 10:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote on 28/11/2019 :
*I'd rather like a system where I can control it with alexa though,
but they said not yet.

I would rather like ones where I could optionally tap into their data
via my LAN.

I'm not aware of any smart meter that provides for network consumer
access to data. I think there's too much worry the risk (or at least
the perception of risk) to think of wifi access. Even the Netherlands
only mandates a physical port (115200 baud ) - though of course that's
streets ahead of what we get here as it offers second by second data.



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Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote on 28/11/2019 :
I'd rather like a system where I can control it with alexa though,
but they said not yet.

I would rather like ones where I could optionally tap into their data
via my LAN.

If forced to have one, I'd be happy with one that I could read
automatically. Surely not beyond the wit of the engineers to allow it
transmit, and for the customer to be able to read the data stream. As
it is, I can see it being a case of sticking a webcam in front of the
display unit, and then carrying out some form of OCR on the image, I
suppose at least that way there is an air gap.

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On 28/11/2019 08:06, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
The old meters cannot have their problems fixed as its part hardware and
part firmware according to EDF. I'm glad now I have waited till now. I think
mine is pencilled in for next Spring. I just hope the units are not
interference causing devices that is all. Should be simple as I only have
the electricity and will need the talking remote unit. I'd rather like a
system where I can control it with alexa though, but they said not yet.
Brian



What is there to control? For you a talking display unit would be
beneficial but I'll bet like most people it is totally ignored once the
novelty has worn off.

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On 27/11/2019 20:37, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely :
The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now
are able to be used by all* energy companies, but the older ones were
not. Not only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well,
no doubt designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all
those early smart meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in
favour off the new improved all singing ones, till the next problems
surface.. Cynic, me?

All the old style Smart Meters will be fitted in order to meet the meter
replacement targets! Waiting this long to get a Smart Meter is no
guarantee that one of the new style will be fitted!

Soon it will be time for all those meters with batteries to start
failing to be smart!


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alan_m wrote:

All the old style Smart Meters will be fitted in order to meet the meter
replacement targets!* Waiting this long to get a Smart Meter is no
guarantee that one of the new style will be fitted!

ofgem say that now smets2 meters are available, any smets1 meters fitted
since (?march?) no longer count towards the target number of meters.

Andy Burns presented the following explanation :
(?march?)

March when? Or was that the reason for the ?march? ?

My present pair of smets1 meters were installed maybe 18 months ago, I
wonder where that leaves me.

On 29/11/2019 08:44, alan_m wrote:
On 27/11/2019 20:37, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely :

The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now
are able to be used by all* energy companies, but the older ones were
not. Not only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well,
no doubt designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all
those early smart meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in
favour off the new improved all singing ones, till the next problems
surface.. Cynic, me?

All the old style Smart Meters will be fitted in order to meet the meter
replacement targets!* Waiting this long to get a Smart Meter is no
guarantee that one of the new style will be fitted!

Soon it will be time for all those meters with batteries to start
failing to be smart!

I've heard that smart gas meters turn the gas off when the battery runs
down.

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On 29/11/2019 08:44, alan_m wrote:
On 27/11/2019 20:37, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely :

The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now
are able to be used by all energy companies, but the older ones were
not. Not only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well,
no doubt designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all
those early smart meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in
favour off the new improved all singing ones, till the next problems
surface.. Cynic, me?

All the old style Smart Meters will be fitted in order to meet the meter
replacement targets! Waiting this long to get a Smart Meter is no
guarantee that one of the new style will be fitted!

Soon it will be time for all those meters with batteries to start failing
to be smart!

I've heard that smart gas meters turn the gas off when the battery runs
down.

I think you are wrong

the basic rule of gas supplies is that it should NOT be turned on/off when a
resident is not in occupation, as turning it on in an uncontrolled way could
kill people.

tim

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On 27/11/2019 20:37, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely :
The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now
are able to be used by all energy companies, but the older ones were
not. Not only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well, no
doubt designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all those
early smart meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in favour off
the new improved all singing ones, till the next problems surface..
Cynic, me?

All the old style Smart Meters will be fitted in order to meet the meter
replacement targets! Waiting this long to get a Smart Meter is no
guarantee that one of the new style will be fitted!

Soon it will be time for all those meters with batteries to start failing
to be smart!

leccy meters get their power from the mains, so it is only gas meters that
have batteries that will fail

There are fewer smart features in gas meters than leccy ones so less to go
wrong when they fail



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On 27/11/2019 18:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I have had SM's now for several years, working off and on, as I changed
supplier and they have stopped being Smart, needing to be swapped out so
they will be Smart again.

I moved to Eon 12 months ago, the meters stopped bing smart and was told
they would be swapped in May, that was later put back to July, now
November and it still hasn't happened.

I have just rug Eon on another matter and took the opportunity to ask
when the SM's might be upgraded to become smart again. The latest
information now, is that it will not be done for another 18 months.
Likely by then, I will have moved suppliers again..

Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and
forth between various banks and building societies too ?.

Andrew brought next idea :
Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and
forth between various banks and building societies too ?.

When there is a worthwhile advantage to a move, yes!

Harry Bloomfield, Esq. expressed precisely :
Andrew brought next idea :
Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and
forth between various banks and building societies too ?.

When there is a worthwhile advantage to a move, yes!

I also swap telecoms providers, insurance providers too, when it
worthwhile and usually its very worth my while.

On 28/11/2019 21:05, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Harry Bloomfield, Esq. expressed precisely :
Andrew brought next idea :
Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and
forth between various banks and building societies too ?.

When there is a worthwhile advantage to a move, yes!

I also swap telecoms providers, insurance providers too, when it
worthwhile and usually its very worth my while.

+1
Often energy companies do not have the best tariffs two or three years
in a row so swapping on a regular basis can save paying a couple of
hundred quid too much.
Insurance companies are notorious for hiking up premiums for loyal
custom and again it is likely that you can save up to 30% of a renewal
quote amount by changing companies. Some insurance companies are now
guaranteeing no price increase in a second year BUT only if you have the
expensive policy, with many unnecessary extras, in the first place. The
guarantee usually doesn't apply to their baseline policies.

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alan_m explained :
Insurance companies are notorious for hiking up premiums for loyal custom and
again it is likely that you can save up to 30% of a renewal quote amount by
changing companies.

I saved 80% on house insurance by shopping around. They (bank) had
hiked it year upon year.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:02:14 +0000, alan_m wrote:

Often energy companies do not have the best tariffs two or three years
in a row so swapping on a regular basis can save paying a couple of
hundred quid too much.

I wish that was a couple of hundred quid each time, I'd have nice
little earner by now. B-) These days it's an increase limitation
excercise rather than money saving.

Insurance companies are notorious for hiking up premiums for loyal
custom and again it is likely that you can save up to 30% of a renewal
quote amount by changing companies.

Or asking the current insurer if they can do any better than the
renewal offer. They normally can for the exact same cover. Last
renewal knocked about 10% off the offer price. I hadn't shopped
around for other quotes and they asked that info. I suspect if I had
had quotes they'd have matched if not bettered them.

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On 27/11/2019 18:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I have had SM's now for several years, working off and on, as I changed
supplier and they have stopped being Smart, needing to be swapped out so
they will be Smart again.

I moved to Eon 12 months ago, the meters stopped bing smart and was told
they would be swapped in May, that was later put back to July, now
November and it still hasn't happened.

I have just rug Eon on another matter and took the opportunity to ask
when the SM's might be upgraded to become smart again. The latest
information now, is that it will not be done for another 18 months.
Likely by then, I will have moved suppliers again..

Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and
forth between various banks and building societies too ?.

I do to get the best interest rate paid on the very substantial
cash I have. Tho I havent changed for a few years now with
interest rates paid on deposits now so low.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:06:37 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


I do to get

NOBODY talked to you, senile Ozzie pest!

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On 27/11/2019 18:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I have had SM's now for several years, working off and on, as I changed
supplier and they have stopped being Smart, needing to be swapped out so
they will be Smart again.

I moved to Eon 12 months ago, the meters stopped bing smart and was told
they would be swapped in May, that was later put back to July, now
November and it still hasn't happened.

I have just rug Eon on another matter and took the opportunity to ask
when the SM's might be upgraded to become smart again. The latest
information now, is that it will not be done for another 18 months.
Likely by then, I will have moved suppliers again..

Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and
forth between various banks and building societies too ?.

unfortunately:

yes

tim

Andrew brought next idea :
Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and
forth between various banks and building societies too ?.

Maybe you don't have enough to make it worth your while, I certainly
do.

On 30/11/2019 11:51, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andrew brought next idea :
Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and
forth between various banks and building societies too ?.

Maybe you don't have enough to make it worth your while, I certainly do.

Then you are doubly a fool for not investing it sowmeher that makes a
lot more than bank or building societies.


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On 30/11/2019 11:51, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andrew brought next idea :
Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and
forth between various banks and building societies too ?.

Maybe you don't have enough to make it worth your while, I certainly do.

Then you are doubly a fool for not investing it sowmeher that makes a lot
more than bank or building societies.

and what low risk liquid item would you suggest

tim

Interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G32NYQpvy8Q