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Smart meters again -Eon
I have had SM's now for several years, working off and on, as I changed
supplier and they have stopped being Smart, needing to be swapped out so they will be Smart again. I moved to Eon 12 months ago, the meters stopped bing smart and was told they would be swapped in May, that was later put back to July, now November and it still hasn't happened. I have just rug Eon on another matter and took the opportunity to ask when the SM's might be upgraded to become smart again. The latest information now, is that it will not be done for another 18 months. Likely by then, I will have moved suppliers again.. |
Smart meters again -Eon
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely :
The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now are able to be used by all energy companies, but the older ones were not. Not only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well, no doubt designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all those early smart meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in favour off the new improved all singing ones, till the next problems surface.. Cynic, me? Eon and others have several times that they don't replace the meters, they will just update the software. Whether they can do that in the field or not, they didn't say, but I would not have thought so - it would be easier for them to just run and exchange scheme. |
Smart meters again -Eon
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Eon and others have several times that they don't replace the meters, they will just update the software. My meters were fitted by eon, originally they were on the "will be upgraded" list, but now it seems they're no longer on the list. |
Smart meters again -Eon
Andy Burns formulated the question :
My meters were fitted by eon, originally they were on the "will be upgraded" list, but now it seems they're no longer on the list. I'm thinking that once the SM's are installed, working as SM's or not, they have fulfilled the governments need to have them fitted. |
Smart meters again -Eon
The old meters cannot have their problems fixed as its part hardware and
part firmware according to EDF. I'm glad now I have waited till now. I think mine is pencilled in for next Spring. I just hope the units are not interference causing devices that is all. Should be simple as I only have the electricity and will need the talking remote unit. I'd rather like a system where I can control it with alexa though, but they said not yet. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! Harry Bloomfield; "Esq." wrote in message ... Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely : The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now are able to be used by all energy companies, but the older ones were not. Not only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well, no doubt designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all those early smart meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in favour off the new improved all singing ones, till the next problems surface.. Cynic, me? Eon and others have several times that they don't replace the meters, they will just update the software. Whether they can do that in the field or not, they didn't say, but I would not have thought so - it would be easier for them to just run and exchange scheme. |
Smart meters again -Eon
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote on 28/11/2019 :
I'd rather like a system where I can control it with alexa though, but they said not yet. I would rather like ones where I could optionally tap into their data via my LAN. |
Smart meters again -Eon
On 28/11/2019 10:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote on 28/11/2019 : *I'd rather like a system where I can control it with alexa though, but they said not yet. I would rather like ones where I could optionally tap into their data via my LAN. Won't that enable the energy company to have access to your network? -- Max Demian |
Smart meters again -Eon
Max Demian brought next idea :
Won't that enable the energy company to have access to your network? No reason why it should.. |
Smart meters again -Eon
On 28/11/2019 10:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote on 28/11/2019 : *I'd rather like a system where I can control it with alexa though, but they said not yet. I would rather like ones where I could optionally tap into their data via my LAN. I'm not aware of any smart meter that provides for network consumer access to data. I think there's too much worry the risk (or at least the perception of risk) to think of wifi access. Even the Netherlands only mandates a physical port (115200 baud ) - though of course that's streets ahead of what we get here as it offers second by second data. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
Smart meters again -Eon
On 28/11/2019 11:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Max Demian brought next idea : Won't that enable the energy company to have access to your network? No reason why it should.. Would you give a random person your Wi-Fi password? Would you know how to secure the hard drives of connected PCs? -- Max Demian |
Smart meters again -Eon
On 27/11/2019 18:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I have had SM's now for several years, working off and on, as I changed supplier and they have stopped being Smart, needing to be swapped out so they will be Smart again. I moved to Eon 12 months ago, the meters stopped bing smart and was told they would be swapped in May, that was later put back to July, now November and it still hasn't happened. I have just rug Eon on another matter and took the opportunity to ask when the SM's might be upgraded to become smart again. The latest information now, is that it will not be done for another 18 months. Likely by then, I will have moved suppliers again.. Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and forth between various banks and building societies too ?. |
Smart meters again -Eon
On 27/11/2019 21:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andy Burns formulated the question : My meters were fitted by eon, originally they were on the "will be upgraded" list, but now it seems they're no longer on the list. I'm thinking that once the SM's are installed, working as SM's or not, they have fulfilled the governments need to have them fitted. That's a good reason NOT to have a smart meter. |
Smart meters again -Eon
In message , Harry Bloomfield
writes Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote on 28/11/2019 : I'd rather like a system where I can control it with alexa though, but they said not yet. I would rather like ones where I could optionally tap into their data via my LAN. If forced to have one, I'd be happy with one that I could read automatically. Surely not beyond the wit of the engineers to allow it transmit, and for the customer to be able to read the data stream. As it is, I can see it being a case of sticking a webcam in front of the display unit, and then carrying out some form of OCR on the image, I suppose at least that way there is an air gap. Adrian -- To Reply : replace "diy" with "news" and reverse the domain If you are reading this from a web interface eg DIY Banter, DIY Forum or Google Groups, please be aware this is NOT a forum, and you are merely using a web portal to a USENET group. Many people block posters coming from web portals due to perceieved SPAM or inaneness. For a better method of access, please see: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Usenet |
Smart meters again -Eon
Andrew wrote on 28/11/2019 :
That's a good reason NOT to have a smart meter. Heads ought to roll for the money wasted, I agree. Did they really not expect customers would wish to change suppliers? They work fine, if you stay put, but the whole system falls apart as soon as you move. |
Smart meters again -Eon
Andrew brought next idea :
Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and forth between various banks and building societies too ?. When there is a worthwhile advantage to a move, yes! |
Smart meters again -Eon
Harry Bloomfield, Esq. expressed precisely :
Andrew brought next idea : Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and forth between various banks and building societies too ?. When there is a worthwhile advantage to a move, yes! I also swap telecoms providers, insurance providers too, when it worthwhile and usually its very worth my while. |
Smart meters again -Eon
"Andrew" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 18:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I have had SM's now for several years, working off and on, as I changed supplier and they have stopped being Smart, needing to be swapped out so they will be Smart again. I moved to Eon 12 months ago, the meters stopped bing smart and was told they would be swapped in May, that was later put back to July, now November and it still hasn't happened. I have just rug Eon on another matter and took the opportunity to ask when the SM's might be upgraded to become smart again. The latest information now, is that it will not be done for another 18 months. Likely by then, I will have moved suppliers again.. Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and forth between various banks and building societies too ?. I do to get the best interest rate paid on the very substantial cash I have. Tho I havent changed for a few years now with interest rates paid on deposits now so low. |
Smart meters again -Eon
"Andrew" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 21:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Andy Burns formulated the question : My meters were fitted by eon, originally they were on the "will be upgraded" list, but now it seems they're no longer on the list. I'm thinking that once the SM's are installed, working as SM's or not, they have fulfilled the governments need to have them fitted. That's a good reason NOT to have a smart meter. That's mad. If they have higher costs, you pay those higher costs. |
Lonely Auto-contradicting Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:08:17 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: That's mad. You calling someone ELSE "mad"???? YOUUUUU? Of all people? LOL -- Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rot Speed: "Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it." MID: |
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:06:37 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: I do to get NOBODY talked to you, senile Ozzie pest! -- FredXX to Rot Speed: "You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity and criminality is inherited after all?" Message-ID: |
Smart meters again -Eon
Robin wrote:
I'm not aware of any smart meter that provides for network consumer access to data. I think there's too much worry the risk (or at least the perception of risk) to think of wifi access. Even the Netherlands only mandates a physical port (115200 baud ) - though of course that's streets ahead of what we get here as it offers second by second data. They use ZigBee to the IHD, and it is possible to get Consumer Access Devices (CAD) that tap into the data feed. The main issue currently is certification - to interface with the smart meter kit, for security a device needs to be certified by the network operator and enabled by the supplier. Some are, for instance: https://www.hildebrand.co.uk/our-products/ https://www.geotogether.com/products...marter-energy/ Theo |
Smart meters again -Eon
On 27/11/2019 20:37, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely : The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now are able to be used by all* energy companies, but the older ones were not. Not only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well, no doubt designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all those early smart meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in favour off the new improved all singing ones, till the next problems surface.. Cynic, me? All the old style Smart Meters will be fitted in order to meet the meter replacement targets! Waiting this long to get a Smart Meter is no guarantee that one of the new style will be fitted! Soon it will be time for all those meters with batteries to start failing to be smart! -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Smart meters again -Eon
On 28/11/2019 22:08, Rod Speed wrote:
"Andrew" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 21:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Andy Burns formulated the question : My meters were fitted by eon, originally they were on the "will be upgraded" list, but now it seems they're no longer on the list. I'm thinking that once the SM's are installed, working as SM's or not, they have fulfilled the governments need to have them fitted. That's a good reason NOT to have a smart meter. That's mad. If they have higher costs, you pay those higher costs. 30 year old meters are still running. It takes a LOT of visits by a meter reader every two years to equal the cost of a new smart meter and the fitting thereof. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Smart meters again -Eon
On 28/11/2019 08:06, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
The old meters cannot have their problems fixed as its part hardware and part firmware according to EDF. I'm glad now I have waited till now. I think mine is pencilled in for next Spring. I just hope the units are not interference causing devices that is all. Should be simple as I only have the electricity and will need the talking remote unit. I'd rather like a system where I can control it with alexa though, but they said not yet. Brian What is there to control? For you a talking display unit would be beneficial but I'll bet like most people it is totally ignored once the novelty has worn off. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Smart meters again -Eon
On 28/11/2019 21:05, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Harry Bloomfield, Esq. expressed precisely : Andrew brought next idea : Do you spend all your spare time moving accounts back and forth between various banks and building societies too ?. When there is a worthwhile advantage to a move, yes! I also swap telecoms providers, insurance providers too, when it worthwhile and usually its very worth my while. +1 Often energy companies do not have the best tariffs two or three years in a row so swapping on a regular basis can save paying a couple of hundred quid too much. Insurance companies are notorious for hiking up premiums for loyal custom and again it is likely that you can save up to 30% of a renewal quote amount by changing companies. Some insurance companies are now guaranteeing no price increase in a second year BUT only if you have the expensive policy, with many unnecessary extras, in the first place. The guarantee usually doesn't apply to their baseline policies. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Smart meters again -Eon
"alan_m" wrote in message ... On 28/11/2019 22:08, Rod Speed wrote: "Andrew" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 21:42, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Andy Burns formulated the question : My meters were fitted by eon, originally they were on the "will be upgraded" list, but now it seems they're no longer on the list. I'm thinking that once the SM's are installed, working as SM's or not, they have fulfilled the governments need to have them fitted. That's a good reason NOT to have a smart meter. That's mad. If they have higher costs, you pay those higher costs. 30 year old meters are still running. It takes a LOT of visits by a meter reader every two years to equal the cost of a new smart meter and the fitting thereof. That's a separate issue to how much they get slugged by the govt if they don't have enough smart meters fitted. Stupid policy, sure, but it still affect what they have to charge you. |
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:08:50 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: That's a separate issue to how much they get slugged by the govt if they don't have enough smart meters fitted. Stupid policy, sure, but it still affect what they have to charge you. That anal_m still doesn't get what he's up to, eh, you "all-knowing", senile wisenheimer? LOL -- Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rot Speed: "Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it." MID: |
Smart meters again -Eon
alan_m explained :
Insurance companies are notorious for hiking up premiums for loyal custom and again it is likely that you can save up to 30% of a renewal quote amount by changing companies. I saved 80% on house insurance by shopping around. They (bank) had hiked it year upon year. |
Smart meters again -Eon
on 29/11/2019, Theo supposed :
They use ZigBee to the IHD, and it is possible to get Consumer Access Devices (CAD) that tap into the data feed. Can you provide a URL to a CAD, assuming you mean something I can access with a PC? |
Smart meters again -Eon
alan_m wrote:
All the old style Smart Meters will be fitted in order to meet the meter replacement targets!* Waiting this long to get a Smart Meter is no guarantee that one of the new style will be fitted! ofgem say that now smets2 meters are available, any smets1 meters fitted since (?march?) no longer count towards the target number of meters. |
Smart meters again -Eon
on 29/11/2019, alan_m supposed :
30 year old meters are still running. It takes a LOT of visits by a meter reader every two years to equal the cost of a new smart meter and the fitting thereof. They have other advantages for the supplier, they are much less easy to tamper with. Any attempt to interfer with them triggers alarms. More regular remote reads, will soon show up consumption discrepancies. |
Smart meters again -Eon
Andy Burns presented the following explanation :
(?march?) March when? Or was that the reason for the ?march? ? My present pair of smets1 meters were installed maybe 18 months ago, I wonder where that leaves me. |
Smart meters again -Eon
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:02:14 +0000, alan_m wrote:
Often energy companies do not have the best tariffs two or three years in a row so swapping on a regular basis can save paying a couple of hundred quid too much. I wish that was a couple of hundred quid each time, I'd have nice little earner by now. B-) These days it's an increase limitation excercise rather than money saving. Insurance companies are notorious for hiking up premiums for loyal custom and again it is likely that you can save up to 30% of a renewal quote amount by changing companies. Or asking the current insurer if they can do any better than the renewal offer. They normally can for the exact same cover. Last renewal knocked about 10% off the offer price. I hadn't shopped around for other quotes and they asked that info. I suspect if I had had quotes they'd have matched if not bettered them. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andy Burns presented the following explanation : (?march?) March when? I thought it was March 2019, but see below I see changes to the gas/electricity supply licences saying "In order to protect customers and drive the uptake and roll-out of SMETS2 meters the Government mandated an end date after which the installation of SMETS1 meters would no longer count towards the 2020 target for each supplier. The end date for credit SMETS1 credit meters was amended by way of a Direction issued on the 4 October 2018 by the Secretary of State, BEIS, pursuant to SLC 39 and 33 of the electricity and gas supply licences, to 5 December 2018." Turns out the March 2019 date I had seen was for pre-payment, and it's possible the date for credit meters has been moved again, it's quite difficult to disentangle the actual licence conditions from the public registers supposedly section 39 of this https://epr.ofgem.gov.uk//Content/Documents/Electricity%20Supply%20Standard%20Licence%20Condit ions%20Consolidated%20-%20Current%20Version.pdf?utm_source=ofgem&utm_medi um=&utm_term=&utm_content=licencecondition&utm_cam paign=epr and section 33 of this https://epr.ofgem.gov.uk//Content/Documents/Gas%20supply%20standard%20licence%20conditions%20c onsolidated%20-%20Current%20Version.pdf?utm_source=ofgem&utm_medi um=&utm_term=&utm_content=licencecondition&utm_cam paign=epr |
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Smart meters again -Eon
Andy Burns laid this down on his screen :
Turns out the March 2019 date I had seen was for pre-payment, and it's possible the date for credit meters has been moved again, it's quite difficult to disentangle the actual licence conditions from the public registers Thanks.. |
Smart meters again -Eon
On 29/11/2019 08:44, alan_m wrote:
On 27/11/2019 20:37, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely : The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now are able to be used by all* energy companies, but the older ones were not. Not only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well, no doubt designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all those early smart meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in favour off the new improved all singing ones, till the next problems surface.. Cynic, me? All the old style Smart Meters will be fitted in order to meet the meter replacement targets!* Waiting this long to get a Smart Meter is no guarantee that one of the new style will be fitted! Soon it will be time for all those meters with batteries to start failing to be smart! I've heard that smart gas meters turn the gas off when the battery runs down. -- Max Demian |
Smart meters again -Eon
Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
on 29/11/2019, Theo supposed : They use ZigBee to the IHD, and it is possible to get Consumer Access Devices (CAD) that tap into the data feed. Can you provide a URL to a CAD, assuming you mean something I can access with a PC? Only SMETS1, but for instance: https://shop.glowmarkt.com/products/glow-stick I don't know how 'cloudy' that particular one is, or whether there's a local web interface. Your supplier also needs to approve its connection to the meter. https://community.openenergymonitor....ta-access/4820 has more details. Theo |
Smart meters again -Eon
"alan_m" wrote in message ... On 27/11/2019 20:37, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) expressed precisely : The very knowledgeable folk at EDF told me that the latest meters now are able to be used by all energy companies, but the older ones were not. Not only that but apparently they are easy to hack into as well, no doubt designed a long time ago, so I guess whatever happens all those early smart meters are going to end up on the scrap heap in favour off the new improved all singing ones, till the next problems surface.. Cynic, me? All the old style Smart Meters will be fitted in order to meet the meter replacement targets! Waiting this long to get a Smart Meter is no guarantee that one of the new style will be fitted! Soon it will be time for all those meters with batteries to start failing to be smart! leccy meters get their power from the mains, so it is only gas meters that have batteries that will fail There are fewer smart features in gas meters than leccy ones so less to go wrong when they fail -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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